Wentz to the Colts

[RiverDog]

The Eagles have traded Carson Wentz to the Colts:

The Eagles traded Carson Wentz to the Colts on Thursday for a 2021 third-round pick (No. 85) and a conditional 2022 second-round pick, according to multiple reports.

The 2022 pick would become a first-round selection if Wentz plays in 75 percent of the offensive snaps next season, or if he plays 70 percent of the snaps and the Colts make the playoffs.

https://nypost.com/2021/02/18/eagles-tr ... aft-picks/

Looks like Sis was right: This is going to be one of the biggest QB carousels in league history.

[c_hawkbob]

Which now makes the Eagles the proud owners of the largest single dead-cap hit in NFL history at $33.8 M.

A record we'd break if we were to trade Russ.

[TriCitySam]

Which now makes the Eagles the proud owners of the largest single dead-cap hit in NFL history at $33.8 M.

A record we'd break if we were to trade Russ.

Interesting in that report, is that after the Wentz trade, between 2009 and 2016 there are ZERO QB's drafted in the 1st round who are with the original team who drafted them. Not all busts of course, but hard to find a franchise QB in the bunch (Luck, some could argue Cam):.

2009: Stafford, Lions; Mark Sanchez, Jets; Josh Freeman, Buccaneers.

2010: Sam Bradford, Rams; Tim Tebow, Broncos.

2011: Cam Newton, Panthers; Jake Locker, Titans; Blaine Gabbert, Jaguars; Christian Ponder, Vikings.

2012: Andrew Luck, Colts; Robert Griffin III, Washington; Ryan Tannehill, Dolphins; Brandon Weeden, Browns.

2013: EJ Manuel, Bills.

2014: Blake Bortles, Jaguars; Johnny Manziel, Browns; Teddy Bridgewater, Vikings.

2015: Jameis Winston, Buccaneers; Marcus Mariota, Titans.

2016: Goff, Rams; Wentz, Eagles; Paxton Lynch, Broncos.

[NorthHawk]

Does the lack of success of first round picks on QBs suggest that in most cases they are overrated or not worth the draft capital?
Part of it surely is teams desperation in looking for a franchise QB, and missing out on or passing over someone, I would guess.

[RiverDog]

Interesting in that report, is that after the Wentz trade, between 2009 and 2016 there are ZERO QB's drafted in the 1st round who are with the original team who drafted them. Not all busts of course, but hard to find a franchise QB in the bunch (Luck, some could argue Cam):.

2009: Stafford, Lions; Mark Sanchez, Jets; Josh Freeman, Buccaneers.

2010: Sam Bradford, Rams; Tim Tebow, Broncos.

2011: Cam Newton, Panthers; Jake Locker, Titans; Blaine Gabbert, Jaguars; Christian Ponder, Vikings.

2012: Andrew Luck, Colts; Robert Griffin III, Washington; Ryan Tannehill, Dolphins; Brandon Weeden, Browns.

2013: EJ Manuel, Bills.

2014: Blake Bortles, Jaguars; Johnny Manziel, Browns; Teddy Bridgewater, Vikings.

2015: Jameis Winston, Buccaneers; Marcus Mariota, Titans.

2016: Goff, Rams; Wentz, Eagles; Paxton Lynch, Broncos.

Wow, that's interesting. Plus there's other more recent names you can or might add to that list, like Josh Rosen (Cards), Dwayne Haskins (Redskins), and perhaps Sam Darnold (Jets), Deshaun Watson (Texans), and Mitch Turbisky (Bears). Of course, not all of those guys are busts, either.

There's a number of those that teams traded up to select them, too. Off the top of my head, that would include Wentz, Goff, Tebow, Manziel, Locker, Rosen, Sanchez, et al.

[obiken]

Which now makes the Eagles the proud owners of the largest single dead-cap hit in NFL history at $33.8 M.

A record we'd break if we were to trade Russ.

League needs to change that rule Bob, the person who has the player should own the cap hit.

[c_hawkbob]

It's a function of contract structure Obi. They know what the rules are when they draw up the contract, they deserve the consequences.

[RiverDog]

It's a function of contract structure Obi. They know what the rules are when they draw up the contract, they deserve the consequences.

Yup. Just as I have no sympathy for a player wanting to re-negotiate his contract that he willingly signed (Earl, Kam), I have no sympathy for a team that makes a bad decision in signing a player to a huge contract then subsequently decide that he wasn't worth it.

Besides, if you were required a team like the Colts to absorb 100% of the cap hit, they would be less likely to trade for a player like Wentz, in which case both Wentz and the Eagles would be stuck in a situation that neither one is happy with.

[obiken]

It's a function of contract structure Obi. They know what the rules are when they draw up the contract, they deserve the consequences.

Yeah, I suppose your right, especially Philly, they made a dumpster fire out of the CW situation.

[trents]

I can't remember an offseason where there have been so many quarterback swaps. I think the the larger window of productive years brought on by better training techniques and nutrition has contributed to this. Some of these veteran QBs that are going to a different team as the projected starter would have been considered to be at the end of their careers in an earlier era. If they are in their early 30s they still might have 8 or10 good years left these days. The other factor contributing to the QB carousel is likely the shallowness of the draft class at that position. Once you get past Lawrence, Mac Jones and maybe Ian Book I think there may not be any NFL ready picks at QB.

[RiverDog]

I can't remember an offseason where there have been so many quarterback swaps. I think the the larger window of productive years brought on by better training techniques and nutrition has contributed to this. Some of these veteran QBs that are going to a different team as the projected starter would have been considered to be at the end of their careers in an earlier era. If they are in their early 30s they still might have 8 or10 good years left these days. The other factor contributing to the QB carousel is likely the shallowness of the draft class at that position. Once you get past Lawrence, Mac Jones and maybe Ian Book I think there may not be any NFL ready picks at QB.

I think a good part of it is being driven by the effects that the pandemic is having on the salary cap. With the QB being the highest paid position, they're the most likely to take the hit in a declining cap. It certainly had a lot to do with the Goff trade. The other thing is that we had a fair amount of QB movement last season, with veterans like Tom Brady, Cam Newton, and Phillip Rivers being cast aside, so those moves seemed to have pushed the envelope in the thinking of GM's.

[NorthHawk]

I think the pandemic has very little to do with QBs changing teams.
Rivers just wanted to retire.
Watson wants out of Houston.
Wentz wore out his welcome in Philadelphia
Goff wasn't good enough.
Stafford wanted out of Detroit.
There's a small decrease in the Cap, but teams were up against it even if there was no pandemic. As well, there is a report on PFT that the NFL is seeking a 100% increase in broadcast rights fees and a 10 year contract.
If they get something close to that then in future years the Cap will expand by a huge margin and teams know how to backload contracts to take advantage of that.