Seahawks signed their first-round pick Grey Zabel to his four-year, fully-guaranteed $18.471 million contract.
Seahawks signed their first-round pick Grey Zabel to his four-year, fully-guaranteed $18.471 million contract.
must be nice to be a NFL 1st round pick nowadays. I believe all first round picks are now fully guaranteed for 4 years. And I read the first 2 - 2nd round picks also got fully guaranteed contracts which is probably why we haven't signed the 2 - 2nd round picks yet. All others signed today.
NorthHawk wrote:I'm a bit concerned we only drafted 1 IOL and no pickups in FA of note. If Zabel gets dinged up then we are back where we were last year. As well, we only have Olu, Sundell, and a UFA Maranges form UCF at Center - so not much experience or high level talent as perceived coming out of College. It seemed like JS took Zabel then wiped his hands and said to himself now let's get back to selecting REAL football players until late in the draft where he threw another bone to the IOL by trying to make College Tackles into Interior linemen. Which hasn't worked out very well for us during his tenure.
Seahawks signed their first-round pick Grey Zabel to his four-year, fully-guaranteed $18.471 million contract.
jshawaii22 wrote:must be nice to be a NFL 1st round pick nowadays. I believe all first round picks are now fully guaranteed for 4 years. And I read the first 2 - 2nd round picks also got fully guaranteed contracts which is probably why we haven't signed the 2 - 2nd round picks yet. All others signed today.
College Tackle to pro Guard doesn't bother me much, just like college corner to pro Safety, or TE to FB or even QB to Receiver. Switching sides of the ball now ...
c_hawkbob wrote:drafting a college tackle to play Guard in the pros doesn't move my needle much.
NorthHawk wrote:Unfortunately Schneider has never found any Tackles to play Guard in Seattle. Some have gone on to other teams, but none have stuck here in 14 years.
NorthHawk wrote:Unfortunately Schneider has never found any Tackles to play Guard in Seattle. Some have gone on to other teams, but none have stuck here in 14 years.
govandals wrote:James Carpenter, Germain Ifedi and Justin Britt were all tackles that moved inside. They were all... average?? I hear what you're saying, though, if you need a guard, just draft a freakin' guard, right? Someone that has actually done it. Zabel did start 4 games at LG in college, so he has a little experience there.
TriCitySam wrote:Not sure what qualifies as a "bust". I know fans want 1st round draft picks to be plug and play guys, but most after the first 15 or so picks have a high failure rate.
Particularly, It seems so difficult to draft OL, and history shows it unless he's a blue chip guy, it takes 4 or 5 years to learn how to play. In his first 6 years in the league Ifedi started in all but 2 games. The next OL pick in that draft (#17 in 2nd) was in the league 5 yrs and only started 10 games. Overall, not a good year for drafting OL. He had a lot of penalties, his aggressive attitude was not unappreciated by his coaches. Not near a PB, but serviceable as OL goes. Carpenter was kinda the same "meh" type of player, not terrible for a late 1st round pick. Lasted in the league for 10 years and started, 122 of 132 games. I don't think as a team, we've done well coaching our OL guys. Sometimes it seems we give up too early and then they go on and play OK for someone else. Then we had Tom Cable who felt you draft DL guys and flip them to OL. That generally didn't work.
jshawaii22 wrote:Only thing I remember is that the reaches were Pete, not JS... so maybe we will have different results with Zabel.
Also, I remember it was Tom Cable that came to Pete with the idea of turning DL and OLineman into 'other' position players. Some were OK, most weren't.
NorthHawk wrote:After 2 drafts it's become clear that JS held a lot of sway in who was chosen - at least on the OL. We went into this season with him stating he knows he has to fix the OL and IOL in particular and we went through FA without any moves and only drafted 1 Guard in the Draft. It's the same old story we've seen for 14 years of him ignoring the IOL and then trying to patch work it with players that other teams cast off or trying to fit Tackles that couldn't make it into the Guard spot. We also bypassed at least 2 fairly good Centers in the draft just like we have in the previous 10 after trading away Max Unger with no heir apparent in place. Meanwhile teams like the Lions grabbed a very athletic Guard and the Eagles took a Center even though they just signed their Center to an extension. They say they plan to use him at Guard, but even so if Jurgens should go down, they have a replacement right there. For us it's another year of hoping the players step up and/or that the new coaching staff can actually make something of the collection of players we have. Maybe lightning will strike this year, but after about a decade of hoping for that success I have serious doubts the IOL will be fixed.
Maybe the plan is for Milroe to succeed and then he can scramble his way to Offensive success when the middle opens up like a split plastic bag.
I really like the rest of the players JS selected. There are a lot of interesting and possible steals that were drafted by him, but the IOL wasn't fully addressed, which is what he said he was going to do prior to the draft.
TriCitySam wrote:I went back and looked at the 1st and 2nd OL draft picks from 2011 to 2020, for what it's worth:
1) 108 OL players were drafted, 61 1st rounders and 47 2nd rounders. Avg of 3.4 per team
2) 35 became Pro Bowl players, 18 were top 16 draft picks. 16 earned a PB after 4th year.
3) 44% received a 2nd contract from their drafting team
4) Avg of 7 years in the league; avg of 5 with the drafting team
5) Avg of 67 starts by drafting team
In this period, SEA drafted 4 OL in the 1st or 2nd round, they averaged staying 9 years in the league, we only kept them an avg of 4.75 years, but we only picked two in the 1st - in the lower end (Carpenter 25th and Ifedi 31st). Dallas and Detroit seem to keep their guys for a 2nd contract, and when you look at a lot of the PB players (particularly beyond top 10) develop after year 4, it would appear we with weren't patient enough - or didn't coach them up as good as we could have - in the example of Carpenter, after he left he averaged starting 13 games the next 6 years.
NorthHawk wrote:Until this year we never took an OL in the first round that wasn't drafted as a Tackle. The constant theme has been draft a Tackle and if he doesn't work out slide him to Guard.
We took Pocic, a Center in college in the 2nd and played him mostly at Guard before releasing him and we took John Moffitt and Damien Lewis in the 3rd rounds. The rest of the Guards and Centers we played with have been failed Tackles from other teams and castoffs from TC cuts of other teams or late round/UFA selections. There has never been a real focus on the IOL. Even this year Zabel played Tackle but had played Guard earlier. So it seems that's the plan with Schneider and he believes any OL can play Guard or, it seems Center. Some may work out, but the problem is it creates constant turnover inside as players wash out and the OL can never really 'Gel' as playing together for at least a season is what creates that cohesion. It's quite apparent that JS either doesn't see that or doesn't care.
jshawaii22 wrote:Zabel played more LTackle then Guard last year in college but played 4 positions across the line, which is what probably attracted JS to him. I think he is 'projected' to be a guard. He also may be our center in a couple of years. He talks, looks and dresses the part. First to sign his contract.
On the Pete vs JS scene, Pete did an interview recently after the draft, may of been only in Vegas TV but he confirmed that he left the Seahawks 'voluntarily' because it was JS's time to take over player decisions. So all these o line failure moves of the past may of been scouting and Pete,(and Cable, who Pete hired) not JS.
jshawaii22 wrote:Zabel played more LTackle then Guard last year in college but played 4 positions across the line, which is what probably attracted JS to him. I think he is 'projected' to be a guard. He also may be our center in a couple of years. He talks, looks and dresses the part. First to sign his contract.
On the Pete vs JS scene, Pete did an interview recently after the draft, may of been only in Vegas TV but he confirmed that he left the Seahawks 'voluntarily' because it was JS's time to take over player decisions. So all these o line failure moves of the past may of been scouting and Pete,(and Cable, who Pete hired) not JS.
So there are plenty of reasons OTHER than dedicating high draft choices to OL that impact OL and team performance. The OL's that do well are generally ones that have kept the same group playing together for several years. (CLE drafted 4, 2 became PB - but AFTER they left CLE). We're certainly not the worst at drafting OL. Most have the same results we do. But, we are aren't as good as Dallas, and we don't seem to keep a group together and we seem to need better scouts - and need better coaching
TriCitySam wrote:I went back and looked at the 1st and 2nd OL draft picks from 2011 to 2020, for what it's worth:
1) 108 OL players were drafted, 61 1st rounders and 47 2nd rounders. Avg of 3.4 per team
2) 35 became Pro Bowl players, 18 were top 16 draft picks. 16 earned a PB after 4th year.
3) 44% received a 2nd contract from their drafting team
4) Avg of 7 years in the league; avg of 5 with the drafting team
5) Avg of 67 starts by drafting team
In this period, SEA drafted 4 OL in the 1st or 2nd round, they averaged staying 9 years in the league, we only kept them an avg of 4.75 years, but we only picked two in the 1st - in the lower end (Carpenter 25th and Ifedi 31st). Dallas and Detroit seem to keep their guys for a 2nd contract, and when you look at a lot of the PB players (particularly beyond top 10) develop after year 4, it would appear we with weren't patient enough - or didn't coach them up as good as we could have - in the example of Carpenter, after he left he averaged starting 13 games the next 6 years.
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