GAME DAY Denver vs Seattle

[NorthHawk]

Everyone has bad days and we aren't expecting Wilson to be perfect, but what many of us are pointing out are bad trends that started a couple of years ago and continue.
Not stepping up in the pocket and bailing out the back end is one, holding on to the ball too long is another, not taking the safe play but going for the home run are all concerns.
There are others, but these trends are obvious to us so they surely are known to opposing DC's, and that's why we are discussing them.
Wilson is a very good QB, but he could be great and the team could have more success if he changes things up a little.

[mykc14]

Everyone has bad days and we aren't expecting Wilson to be perfect, but what many of us are pointing out are bad trends that started a couple of years ago and continue.
Not stepping up in the pocket and bailing out the back end is one, holding on to the ball too long is another, not taking the safe play but going for the home run are all concerns.
There are others, but these trends are obvious to us so they surely are known to opposing DC's, and that's why we are discussing them.
Wilson is a very good QB, but he could be great and the team could have more success if he changes things up a little.

I don’t think RW played his best game on Sunday and think he needs to get more comfortable with this new offense and his receivers (all new except #16 at this point), but those continuing to claim he needs to step up in the pocket are neglecting the fact that he has stepped up more. He did it this preseason and on Sunday. The problem is that on Sunday when he stepped up he got blasted twice. It’s easy to sit back and say he should do this or that in a situation but the reality is blaming RW for any offensive ineptitude while the OL is as inconsistent as it has been is unfair. The main issue is that RW is going to get paid 33 mil/yr by somebody and we haven’t protected him enough to be able to see if he should be the highest paid QB in the league or not. He has shown flashes but not consistency. If he had a consistent OL then we would be able to see that he is one of the top 2 or 3 QBs in the league or he is just a good QB...

[RiverDog]

I I guess you think Russell's stat line is some kind of bad performance on the road against a relentless pass rush. So must be nearly every QB in the league could put up better in the same circumstances. Personally, I can't think of 5 other QBs in the league that put up a better performance under the same circumstances than Russ did, maybe not even they do better. Russ had a good day, but we're a weaker team. Until the surrounding parts get better, the team is likely going to lose. I certainly am not going to pile on the one bright spot doing the job at a high level until I see Russ doing anything other than giving us the best chance of winning we have.

How many times do I have to say it? All things considered, Russell's play wasn't that bad. He led the offense to putting 24 points on the board, which if you look at averages, should win a majority of games played. His play was not the root cause but rather one of several factors in our loss. Does that sound to you like I'm piling on?

I am trying to objectively discuss our QB's weaknesses and areas in which he can improve his game. You keep getting emotional, defending him with irrational statements like "If you expect other QBs to play better on the road against the Denver defense, then go and try to get them on the team.

Try defending him with logic, such as mykc has done, rather than these emotional outbursts that seem to have consumed you when trying to discuss the subject.

[RiverDog]

I don’t think RW played his best game on Sunday and think he needs to get more comfortable with this new offense and his receivers (all new except #16 at this point), but those continuing to claim he needs to step up in the pocket are neglecting the fact that he has stepped up more. He did it this preseason and on Sunday. The problem is that on Sunday when he stepped up he got blasted twice. It’s easy to sit back and say he should do this or that in a situation but the reality is blaming RW for any offensive ineptitude while the OL is as inconsistent as it has been is unfair. The main issue is that RW is going to get paid 33 mil/yr by somebody and we haven’t protected him enough to be able to see if he should be the highest paid QB in the league or not. He has shown flashes but not consistency. If he had a consistent OL then we would be able to see that he is one of the top 2 or 3 QBs in the league or he is just a good QB...

Certainly the issues that has caused Russell to develop the bad habits of breaking the pocket to the back and outside and not stepping up into the pocket are real. Our OL has been horrid over the past several years and Russell has taken a beating, including sustaining injuries. Additionally, there have been times when Russell executes these amazing escapes and has had some excellent success with his current style of play. Both of these types of past events can reinforce what have now become liabilities and make them more difficult to break.

When people are put under stress, they have a tendoncy to revert to their comfort zone, ie their old habits, rather than the newly acquired skills. IMO this might help explain why from time to time that we've seen Russell display the skills that several of us are being critical of him as not having sufficiently mastered and falling back on his bad habits when the pressure is on...like on 3rd and 3 in the middle of the 4th quarter of a 3 point game with 60,000 fans screaming at him.

[Aseahawkfan]

How many times do I have to say it? All things considered, Russell's play wasn't that bad. He led the offense to putting 24 points on the board, which if you look at averages, should win a majority of games played. His play was not the root cause but rather one of several factors in our loss. Does that sound to you like I'm piling on?

I am trying to objectively discuss our QB's weaknesses and areas in which he can improve his game. You keep getting emotional, defending him with irrational statements like "If you expect other QBs to play better on the road against the Denver defense, then go and try to get them on the team.

Try defending him with logic, such as mykc has done, rather than these emotional outbursts that seem to have consumed you when trying to discuss the subject.

I already defended him with logic. You don't go by logic. You get something in your head then grind it over and over and over again without a factual basis. I don't think I owe you a single beer, coffee, or beverage and you owe me a few due to the way you grind something without facts. Russell doesn't need to play better because if he does, he's setting the NFL record for TDs and yards in a season. That is an impossible expectation by you and the peanut gallery.

Fact is you're expectations have reached a stupid level. I want you to use that ability to logic you claim you have, think about where he was playing and with whom, and then logically accept that he deserves next to none of the blame other than what is standard for any QB not playing perfect.

On top of that, I want you realize that in the NFL blaming is a waste of time. These players will work harder than any beer-drinking, sideline sitting fan to analyze the real problems with what happened with inside knowledge of the play and schemes and work to fix them.

[RiverDog]

Russell doesn't need to play better because if he does, he's setting the NFL record for TDs and yards in a season.

Posted without comment from the headline of the article linked below:

Pete Carroll: Russell Wilson “needed to do better"

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/pe ... ar-BBNaIQb

[Aseahawkfan]

Posted without comment from the headline of the article linked below:

Pete Carroll: Russell Wilson “needed to do better"

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/pe ... ar-BBNaIQb

And let me add the full quote since you're practicing that tried and true practice of telling half the story to support your narrative. Full quote, “Russ needed to do better than he did yesterday, but we needed to help him a lot.”

Once again people telling half the story to suit their opinion. Big surprise.

[RiverDog]

Pete Carroll: Russell Wilson “needed to do better"

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/pe ... ar-BBNaIQb

And let me add the full quote since you're practicing that tried and true practice of telling half the story to support your narrative. Full quote, “Russ needed to do better than he did yesterday, but we needed to help him a lot.”

Once again people telling half the story to suit their opinion. Big surprise.

You can forward your complaint to NBC Sports as that was a direct copy and paste from their headline with nothing added or subtracted.

I agree with Pete 100%. We do need to help him alot. For either him or the team to improve, we will need to give Russell more help that what he's getting.

But as Pete says, Russell needs to do better, which is opposite from what you're saying, which is essentially that Russell bears no responsibility for our loss last Sunday and that everything is hunky dory with his play.

[HumanCockroach]

According to some, he bares none in his career... everything is always "he threw for x and had x TDs, snd and he's never not been running for his life, the reciever might have run the wrong route, the receiver didn't fight for the ball enough, the system isn't right, the OC did it" yada, yada, yada, yada to infinity. He can do no wrong, and if you say he needs to improve, your negative, harrassing, hating and know nothing about anything....

[RiverDog]

According to some, he bares none in his career... everything is always "he threw for x and had x TDs, snd and he's never not been running for his life, the reciever might have run the wrong route, the receiver didn't fight for the ball enough, the system isn't right, the OC did it" yada, yada, yada, yada to infinity. He can do no wrong, and if you say he needs to improve, your negative, harrassing, hating and know nothing about anything....

Yea, that's just it. Some people just can't stand the thought that he's human and has his faults.