Carson?

[NorthHawk]

Carson has never played a full year in College or the NFL without injury, so no way we trade Penny.
I think he'll move up the depth chart when either or both Carson and Davis go down for at least a few games from injury.
We're already seeing Davis limping a little now.

[RiverDog]

[i"]I mentioned this in the game thread, but if the trend of the first 5 games continues throughout the season and Penny ends the season behind Carson and Davis, is there any chance that we might trade Penny?[/i]

Zero chance, IMO. Given injuries in this league and the value of first round contracts and the 5th year option for the team, it's hard to see why they'd unload him this early, especially considering they'd get very little in return.

At this point, I certainly agree. But I wouldn't say "zero" chance. If all three running backs remain healthy and Penny is still 3rd on the depth chart, there could be some discussion about it, depending on other team's needs and the 2019 draft class at running back.

Keep in mind I'm not advocating a trade, just throwing it out there as a possibility.

[NorthHawk]

After last year when we at one point didn't have any viable RB's, there's as close to zero chance they trade Penny as they can be.
Sure, if some team offered 2 first rounders or something idiotic it could happen, but in reality I can't see it happening this year.

[idhawkman]

The line got better when Fluker got back. I think Sweezy is the long term answer at LG, too.

[HumanCockroach]

Carson has never played a full year in College or the NFL without injury, so no way we trade Penny.
I think he'll move up the depth chart when either or both Carson and Davis go down for at least a few games from injury.
We're already seeing Davis limping a little now.

I think you're thinking of Rawls NH... who never had an injury free year all the way back through hs ( was a reason he went undrafted).

Carson played full season junior year, senior year injured for 3 games I believe...

[HumanCockroach]

Is Davis signed for more than this year?? I don't think he is... could be wrong on that.... also, I think we've seen the end of Procise in Seattle, just can't stay healthy, to bad really, was exciting when capable of playing, also be extremely interested what they do with J.D. McKissic.... I'm not 100% on Davis contract situation, but by my count that leaves 2 viable "every down " type backs, 2 exciting, but situational backs, with at least one, if not both being gone next season...

[RiverDog]

The line got better when Fluker got back. I think Sweezy is the long term answer at LG, too.

I agree, at least as far as the running game goes. Plus we have to consider that the fact that we've been able to run the ball successfully has made pass protection that much easier. We've given up just 4 sacks for 27 yards in the past 3 games. How many did we give up in the first two games, 11? Some of it can be attributed to Russell's managing the pocket better as he's still getting pressured more than he should, but it's still one heck of an improvement.

[c_hawkbob]

Fluker is my favorite Seahawks lineman right now, he's an awesome run blocker! In case you missed it, check him out pancaking Suh: https://twitter.com/geoffschwartz/statu ... 0492937217

[idhawkman]

Fluker is my favorite Seahawks lineman right now, he's an awesome run blocker! In case you missed it, check him out pancaking Suh: https://twitter.com/geoffschwartz/statu ... 0492937217

He's a big man and getting behind him should get you at least 2-3 yards everytime. MacDonald and Suh were mostly ineffectual yesterday as we mostly ran right at them. For the last number of years, if we stopped MacDonald it was Quinn disrupting RW and sacking him left and right. I'm so happy that dude is no longer a Ram.

I like watching that big man (Fluker) rumble down the field. He's not fast but it is fun watching him go. I think it was the first TD run that Davis had where RW was lead blocking that I saw Fluker rumbling down there and just got a great feeling because of seeing him trying to get back into the play giving it all he had.

[HumanCockroach]

Ugh... Seattle is 4th for the first four games in pass protection based on time before a QB is pressured... in my book that's pretty ok. ( assuming that didn't go down after the Rams). Ahead of Dallas behind only the Rams, Cleveland and Jacksonville...

When is it acceptable? 0 pressures? I understand there's always "better" , but this idea seems unrealistic to me.

Seattle Seahawks secret offensive line problem is Russell Wilson - New stat shows proof - 2018 NFL
http://www.espn.com/nfl/blogs/insider/s ... f-2018-nfl

By the way, they finished 11th last season... as much as that might be a product of the scheme and system ( longer passes necessitate more clean time) but can this false narrative be put to bed at some point?

( by the way, that isn't a bash on Wilson. Click the link, it simply shows the amount of pass blocking "win" percentage, I understand Wilson, like many other unique QBs holds the ball to long and accept that that is going to happen sometimes, but the pass blocking has "won" 59% of the time, meaning no pressure, with time to deliver the ball, and that was BEFORE Fluker returned, imho he is a pleasant surprise,
as he's been horrid for the entirety in his career in that facet of the game, and Brown certainly has played vastly better than I expected as well) most of us grasp he's done that for quite some time, and many of us have been pointing it out for YEARS prior to this guy's opinion on it.

[RiverDog]

Ugh... Seattle is 4th for the first four games in pass protection based on time before a QB is pressured... in my book that's pretty ok. ( assuming that didn't go down after the Rams). Ahead of Dallas behind only the Rams, Cleveland and Jacksonville...

When is it acceptable? 0 pressures? I understand there's always "better" , but this idea seems unrealistic to me.

Seattle Seahawks secret offensive line problem is Russell Wilson - New stat shows proof - 2018 NFL
http://www.espn.com/nfl/blogs/insider/s ... f-2018-nfl

By the way, they finished 11th last season... as much as that might be a product of the scheme and system ( longer passes necessitate more clean time) but can this false narrative be put to bed at some point?

( by the way, that isn't a bash on Wilson. Click the link, it simply shows the amount of pass blocking "win" percentage, I understand Wilson, like many other unique QBs holds the ball to long and accept that that is going to happen sometimes, but the pass blocking has "won" 59% of the time, meaning no pressure, with time to deliver the ball, and that was BEFORE Fluker returned, imho he is a pleasant surprise,
as he's been horrid for the entirety in his career in that facet of the game, and Brown certainly has played vastly better than I expected as well) most of us grasp he's done that for quite some time, and many of us have been pointing it out for YEARS prior to this guy's opinion on it.

Ouch! That had to have hurt poor Anthony, our resident stats monkey and Russell Wilson lover.

A lot of us have been saying that for some time, that Russell is holding onto the ball too long, tries too often to extend plays that are abortions, makes an offensive lineman's job extemely difficult. To be fair, some of it is play design and to his credit, Russell has managed the pocket much better over the past 3 games, but the bottom line is that Russell Wilson can be his own worst enemy.

[NorthHawk]

Carson has never played a full year in College or the NFL without injury, so no way we trade Penny.
I think he'll move up the depth chart when either or both Carson and Davis go down for at least a few games from injury.
We're already seeing Davis limping a little now.

I think you're thinking of Rawls NH... who never had an injury free year all the way back through hs ( was a reason he went undrafted).

Carson played full season junior year, senior year injured for 3 games I believe..

ACL injury in High School
Out 5 games as a Sr in College
Broken leg in the NFL.

He's got a tough running style that lends itself to getting beat up and with the hitting even harder in the NFL, he's going to miss some time.

[HumanCockroach]

So, healthy freshman, Sophomore, junior year?... was just pointing out that the player that's never played a full season at any level ( before last season, though that's more likely do to not playing, as opposed to health) was Rawls not Carson...

Before I ever saw Carson take a single handoff, I had discussed it multiple times...

Truth be told, I expect most running backs to miss 1 to 3 games a season, and am not surprised by it any longer.

[HumanCockroach]

And just so there's full disclosure.... pff has them graded as the 7th best pass blocking line this season, 2nd best the past 2 games..... ESPN has them 4th.... between 4th and 7th I'm satisfied. Even 11th last season was satisfactory.... really it is just more evidence, that some of us aren't as crazy as many attempt to paint us.

[RiverDog]

And just so there's full disclosure.... pff has them graded as the 7th best pass blocking line this season, 2nd best the past 2 games..... ESPN has them 4th.... between 4th and 7th I'm satisfied. Even 11th last season was satisfactory.... really it is just more evidence, that some of us aren't as crazy as many attempt to paint us.

I'm still waiting for Anthony to weigh in with his excuses.

But to be fair, Russell has been managing the pocket better over the past 3 games. He doesn't seem to be retreating as much when under pressure and when he does take a sack, it's for a 6-7 yard loss instead of 12-15 yards.

[politicalfootball]

I Have an idea let's talk about Carson in a Carson thread. I Am liking the way Carson runs the ball. He's got stamina and he's really been good to see out in the clear running for a touchdown. I like Carson and I am praying he will continue with what he is doing. If he does all season we may be witnessing a record breaking year for Carson. I like Penny too maybe more than Carson I keep hoping Penny will have a breakthrough game. If Carson got injured we would be ok. Penny is fantastic.

[NorthHawk]

I Have an idea let's talk about Carson in a Carson thread. I Am liking the way Carson runs the ball. He's got stamina and he's really been good to see out in the clear running for a touchdown. I like Carson and I am praying he will continue with what he is doing. If he does all season we may be witnessing a record breaking year for Carson. I like Penny too maybe more than Carson I keep hoping Penny will have a breakthrough game. If Carson got injured we would be ok. Penny is fantastic.

Let's talk about Carson in a Carson thread...

Just teasing.

[HumanCockroach]

Yes, he has, something many of his "haters" have been discussing for quite some time.

[HumanCockroach]

I've seen zero fantastic from Penny.... I'm not trying to attack you PF, but minus 2 or 3 runs all season, I've seen nothing even good. Maybe I've missed it somehow, when was he fantastic???

[The POPE]

Penny has not shown much of anything yet. Its evident that he has been "outcompeted" by Davis and Carson, otherwise he would be on the field. To be fair it would be nice to see a little more of him since the o-line seems to have gathered their poop into 1 pile over the last 2 games...for a change. Don't think that will happen for a while. He will get his chance before the years over, odds are low that Davis and Carson will make it through the season without injury. Lets hope he's ready after doing a little sitting and learning, because he will be called upon before the seasons over. Trial is still ongoing, no need for jury deliberations just yet.

The Pope

[HumanCockroach]

Maybe, but what I've seen from Carson is a pro bowl caliber back... he might be injured, I can't read the future, but he certainly reminds me of a young bell cow back just hitting his stride. I've not seen many backs that have the ability to turn dead to rights losses into 5 to 8 yard gains in Seattle, Carson has shown that, which makes me extremely high on his ability.

Whether he can stay healthy remains to be seen, and clearly , Davis has been extremely successful in the opportunities given..

That said, I don't remember a game this season where one of those two weren't successful behind that line. Even when Fluker wasn't missing, I've seen them avoid using them, but no unacceptable success in the running game.... penny on the other hand, hasn't shown that yet... so I'm content to let him sit, until when he is given more opportunities, and actually performs well, before really worrying about him. It took the staff three games to figure it out, perhaps it will take three for them to try again...

[RiverDog]

I'm not so sure that inexperience is what's holding Penny back. He doesn't seem to have the natural football instincts to the same degree that Carson and Davis have demonstrated, things like yards after contact and cutting off his blockers. He's not a bad running back, but he sure as heck doesn't look like first round material, at least not after these first 5 games.

[NorthHawk]

We really didn't see enough of Penny to make a realistic determination of his abilities at this level.
He got injured before the 3rd preseason game and fell behind the others.
For a 2 or 3 year pro, it wouldn't be so bad, but for a rookie adjusting to the NFL, it can really mean he falls far behind
players that have some experience.
H will get his touches this year at some point, but there's a big learning curve he still hast to master before he reaches
his potential and we can see if he has it or not.

[HumanCockroach]

Perhaps once he dumps the hesitation it will improve, but sometimes that doesn't occur. Sometimes it takes years, some games, some have it from the moment they start... Carson already has it, so I'm personally not concerned if Penny learns it or not... if he does? Great... if he doesn't? He can go the way of Micheal, Collins, Ware, etc, etc, etc...