c_hawkbob wrote:I had to cook cause the wife had to work so I just finished the game and didn't participate in these threads and haven't read them yet, but here are my high points:
Rawls looks like Money, Russ got his groove on (OK, in the second half) and Jimmy Is gonna be fine in this offense.
But mostly WE GOT A SHUTOUT! A BAGEL BABY!!
That sh!t has been a long time coming ... I wanna see at least two or three more of those this year
savvyman wrote:
Please raise your expectations a little. Your excitement is inappropriate for the results that were achieved today.
We got a shut out at home against maybe the worst team in the NFL - playing without their starting QB - who held us without a TD in the 1st half and were within 1 score of taking the lead into the second half until the Special Teams took one to the house and blew the game open.
HawkDawg wrote:Sis, sweet that you made the game! How was Cam received when he came out of the tunnel? Were the fans forgiving?
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RiverDog wrote:I haven't watched all of the rerun yet, but the first half performance was awful. We're going to have to look a lot better than that if we expect to go to the playoffs, let alone a 3rd straight SB. As it stands now, we are not a very good team. We're a skeleton of the team that has gone 36-12 with two conference championships and one Lombardi. That game should have been over at halftime. Any shutout needs to include the footnote that the Bears were without their starting quarterback and their #1 receiver.
That being said, there is plenty of time to get this thing turned around, just like we did last season. Next Monday's game is critical, another conference game, another winless team from the NFC Central, a game we should win. But this time, we're going to be facing a veteran quarterback with a big time arm in Mathew Stafford and one of the best receivers in the game in the form of Calvin Johnson. It's a classic trap game. We need to get better.
After that, it's a short week, a long trip, and an early start in Cincinnati.
kalibane wrote:Nah I am not saying that there were times when Russell held the ball too long for sure but the sacks this week came almost primarily as a result of terrible blocking on the right side of the line, whether it was Gilliam completely whiffing or the bone headed decision to call a protection scheme that has Graham lined up on a Defensive End 1 v 1. 3 sacks came from instant pressure on Wilson off the edge. The 4th came off pressure coming off the edge and Sweazy not being able to hold his block on the DT when Russell stepped up (Russ also picked the wrong gap to step up in).
You can call attention to all the other things that are problems that you want but it ALL starts in the line leaving us in much less than desirable down and distance situations, not just in the passing game but in the running game as well. Even when the run didn't get stoned on first down the O-Line would mess around and take a false start or holding penalty to render the good first down play irrelevant.
We are constantly in 2nd and 3rd and long and that is most often the fault of the Offensive Line. No way around it. A few mistakes aside, generally when Russell has time to set up he makes positive plays.
Anthony wrote:
Nah its not the line it all Wilson this is an all pro line, just ask anyone the line is great they were just talking about how great it was on KJR today, The only problem with this team is Wilson we would be 3-0 with any QB> Sarcasm off. Yeah whatever its always Wilsons fault to you.
c_hawkbob wrote:Finish watching the game. We got it turned around at the half.
Pete's right; all we gotta do is stay the course. Let this O-line play and grow together, let Russ and Jimmy get used to one another and let Rawls incorporate himself into our offense and this team will be fine.
mykc14 wrote:
LOL, he was saying it was because of the line, not Wilson.
HumanCockroach wrote:You can't put the sack Graham gave up on that line, and two of the sacks Wilson had more than enough time to throw the ball. What I am seeing is either a QB gun shy to deliver the ball ( Tarvaris Jackson disease, I PRAY it's not that) or a QB that refuses to take what is open looking for a more explosive play. Wilson does not do it the same way, but he is similar to Rothlisberger, in that he waits, and waits and waits for a bigger play, which directly increases hits, sacks and problems. Both QB's have admitted that they DO do that, and that some of those sacks are "on them" waiting for that play.
If you want to dump it all on the line ( by the way the same line that paved the way for Rawls 100+ yard day on 16 carries) by all means, carry on, I just don't operate that way. If a receiver is providing no effort in blocking or route running, I'm going to say it, if the QB is holding the ball too long, I say it, If the back is soft, I'll say it. Just because we have big names at skill positions, and not on the line, I'm not changing that. That line has improved every quarter they have played together, sacks are not solely on the line, and I recognize it.
HumanCockroach wrote:It was a dig at me, he was agreeing with Bane, because unlike them, I refuse to give Wilson a pass on him refusing to make a quick decision and release the ball. The line certainly has its piece of the blame pie, but I will not bury my head in the sand about Wilson holding the ball too long resulting in sacks. It happens to every QB not just Wilson, it is NOT a slight in Wilson to be honest about his play, some can't or won't do it, because its "the" position in their minds, and franchise QB's are infallible.
Anthony has been pulling that same stuff out for the last three games, and the better part of a year and a half. The lines play has not been great, and at no point in three games have I claimed it has, BUT I also can realistically look at a play and decipher whether a QB has enough time to deliver a football, or if the QB needs to climb the pocket ( something Wilson did NOT do against the Bears when he was sacked two of the four times) or drop out the back door, when he leaves a clean pocket and runs into a sack ( as he did in St Louis) or simply has held the ball too long. The expectation that a line is supposed to provide 6-7 seconds for a QB to deliver a ball at the NFL level is silly, NO line does that, none, whether it be Dallas or NE or GB or Seattle. Hell, just last week GB's line performed FAR worse than Seattles did against the Bears, and yet they were lauded. Why? Well because Rodgers moved effectively, delivered the ball and HELPED them protect him by doing so.
I'm not overly concerned about it. Some people NEED a scapegoat, and if it makes them feel better to insist the line is rubbish more power to them, I'm far more concerned with other aspects of the offense currently, and want to see improvement in decision making, timing, play calling, and aggressiveness ( as well as tempo). The line doesn't "forget" how to play from week to week, and there has been DRASTIC improvement from the first half to the second ( as pointed out by 3 points scored by the offense in the first half, for three STRAIGHT games) I'm interested in figuring out why THAT is, far more, than piling on the line, just so I can point at a group and say " that's the reason, and the whole reason" especially considering that is the SAME line that has played the second halves of those games. They didn't simply turn a switch on at half time, and all of a sudden know what to do, that thought process is silly. Seattle's had issues scoring in the first half for YEARS, and it certainly has NOT been the same players. The tendencies of this offense in the first half are so predictable any somewhat knowledgeable fan could hold Seattle to under ten points in the first half with a mediocre NFL defense, with ZERO coaching or playing experience, and that folks is NOT the lines fault.
RiverDog wrote:We looked better in the second half, no doubt about that. But keep in mind that the Bears defense has had given up the most points in the league the last two seasons and the most in the first two games of this season, and they were playing in the toughest venue in the league without their starting quarterback and their #1 receiver. The Bears are consistently ranked at or near the bottom in most people's power rankings, and after watching them today, I can see why.
Decent second half play not withstanding, we are still a looooog ways from where we need to be if we are to get back to the SB, especially considering that we've dug ourselves an 0-2 hole we have to climb out of. Please excuse me if I wait a few more games before I start turning handsprings and cartwheels.
HumanCockroach wrote:Let me know when any QB plays a perfect game Anthony, none have done it in history, so yeah there is ALWAYS something they haven't done perfectly. As for going out of my way, whatever, I don't remember starting any Wilson bashing threads, nor have I brought up issues other than when I see them unnecessarily. Truth is he holds the ball far to long, far to often, leaves clean pockets far to often, and is difficult to block for. That isn't going "out of my way" that is actually watching the play, not bowing down because of a name.
You wrote him off two seasons ago ( do to him wanting to leave because of wanting to be the best QB in the NFL, or because of the line, or because of the weapons Seattle has given him, or because he was going to have a career ending injury, or because of some other made up, concocted BS garbage) so WTF do you care? I appreciate the hell out of Wilson, I respect him, and think he is the perfect QB for this team and system, and have REPEATEDLY defended him ( and you f-ing KNOW it), so spare me the juvenile crap, I simply don't care if you carry a 24/7 chub for the man, and can't acknowledge that he is a human ( meaning he isn't perfect, and indeed makes mistakes, or bad decisions, or a bad throw) that's your problem, not mine.
I don't need to defend that, it's true, not all sacks are on the line, not all sacks are even on the QB, hell, all sacks aren't even all on the flipping offense, sometimes, you get beat, you tip your cap, and try to do better. I don't live in a world where it is "always" a certain person or groups faults, because I can't separate my head from my heart.
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