obiken wrote:Poor Matt. Does Matt belong in the Ring of Honor???
obiken wrote:Poor Matt. Does Matt belong in the Ring of Honor???
obiken wrote:Poor Matt. Does Matt belong in the Ring of Honor???
c_hawkbob wrote:How 'bout a hand for the graybeards? Colts win on the strength of a 40 year old QB (way to go Matty!!) and a 42 year old Kicker!
obiken wrote:Ok he's there. I will never say that Krieg belongs in the hall of fame.
RiverDog wrote:
Krieg actually has some compelling statistical arguments for induction to the HOF But he was never in the top 3 or 4 at his position during the era he played (Marino, Montana, Fouts), plus he never got his team to the SB.
HumanCockroach wrote:I remember discussing this at length a couple years ago, statistically speaking, Kreig belongs in the conversation, of not the ROH but the HOF, I have heard every excuse in the book about Kreig, and while I agree that he does not belong in the HOF the scoffing at the idea that it should even be considered makes me laugh. kreig statistically speaking was BETTER yardage, QBR etch than a bulk of QB's during his era. His was top THREE all time in quarterback rating when he retired ( behind ONLY Montana) and he did the bulk of that on "ground chuck" offenses, as for the "top 3 or 4" QBs argument during his time, I laugh. He was indeed that, year in and year out, fourth though he may have been, the other three changed from year to year. Is someone really going to tell me, that falling 4 TD passes below Marinos then NFL record TDs thrown makes him fifth or sixth that season? Or that retiring with the second longest consecutive TD's in games thrown shows some sort of fatal flaw? The guy simply got the job done, despite many peoples thoughts on the subject, his TD passes, attempts, yardage, quarterback rating (EVERY statistical category that is used to measure a QBs ability) at the time he retired EVERY one of them were top five in NFL HISTORY up to that point, and several that have been elected after Kreig, never exceeded his accomplishment.
Zorn76 wrote:The prevailing question is, Can Hass deliver a win by 10 pts or more?:)
Seahawks4Ever wrote:Hass still has 'it"! He really runs an efficient offense, he doesn't hold the ball too long, he has a quick release, and he knows where to go with the football and doesn't make mistakes. He has an O-line in Indy, he would be killed playing behind our line for sure.
But, he is 2-3 times the QB Russell Wilson is, hopefully RW will get better as he gets more experience.
Old but Slow wrote:Wow. Time to chill (I am starting to get into the modern way of speaking, the linko?)
We have had several remarkable QB's over our history, Jim Zorn, Krieg, Moon, Hass, and Wilson, and, of course, I am leaving someone obvious out, but it is early to be making comparisons. Remember, we lionized Rick Mirer when we drafted him out of ND, and he had a good rookie year, but then, nada.
Wilson is an amazing athlete and competitor, it remains for him to become a governor of the game. It is hard to understand that he is not able to react to seeing an obvious corner or safety blitz, when it is advertised by the defensive player obviously not in a position to defend a receiver. When a corner, like Wilson last game, comes up on the line near the DE, it is pretty blatant, but Russell ignored him and Wilson sacked him. Why?
Russell seems able to make the right calls, but he does not adjust well, in some of the sacks he has taken, he could have just thrown the ball away. He almost seems, at times, to be waiting for a miracle. Don't get me wrong, I love the guy, and he has magic, but there areas where he can improve, and I am sure he would agree, so I feel free to launch my dissatisfactions, knowing or at least hoping that Russell will figure those parts out.
Zorn76 wrote:Hass was a solid QB here, and has played very well in his 2 starts for Indy this season.
RW has way more upside, no doubt about it.
Just a half way decent line would help.
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