Seahawks4Ever wrote:I kept saying there was going to be a price to be paid for throwing away all of those 1st. and 2nd. rd. draft choices. I also said (as well as others) that ignoring the O-Line was very stupid.
Kris Richard is NO Dan Quinn, maybe Pete should not have looked in house. He had the guy in Ken Norton but let him go to another team.
Darrell Bevell has GOT TO GO.
I am calling it, Pete has taken this team as far as he can, time to bring in a HC who knows the offensive side of the ball. Pete ONLY knows defense and we were fortunate the last two years when we HAD the best defense in the league.
Stick a fork in our Seahawks, they are DONE! I am SICK of hearing the EXCUSES, especially from Pete Carroll.
Hawk Sista wrote:Whose puppy did you crush? What... Are you 5?
obiken wrote:Bottom line HS, I tried to say that PC may be done, and SFE is making the same point. Sorry. Its time to call out PC on the OL. Its a failed experiment. What the hell was he thinking. I had a friend who knew John Madden, and I asked him, IF you were to build a team from scratch, would start on the OL or the DL. Madden said the OL. I said, but coach, if you cant stop anybody what good is it? He said IF you cant block anybody your not going anywhere. WE are not going anywhere Sister and who's fault is that????
obiken wrote:
Every point you made is spot on, and has been made you, me, and others. WTF were we thinking in trying the great experiment of DL converted into OL???!! I Would rather go the other direction. As far as PC I made that point on my 10 year thread and you would have thought I crushed their new little puppy. Its not Bevel his a convenient scape goat. Norton I said the same damn thing! In the end the Offense lost this game. Ok ALL the experts will focus on the Defense but you cant get a first down with RW, ML, JG, ect ect. Come one.
RiverDog wrote:That's true. The chickens have come home to roost.
Go back to the Percy Harvin and Jimmy Graham trades if you need something to hang on Pete. Two #1's, a #3, and a #7. We could have used those draft choices to find an OL or two. Instead, he shops for OL in the bargain basement. Hell, he could have had Mathis this season had he made it a priority.
mykc14 wrote:Stick a fork in this team if you must but why all the doom and gloom? We are not out of it yet, yeah we need to get much better soon (like Thursday). If we keep playing like this and have 7 losses then it might be time to start looking at next year, but I don't understand the rush. Give them a chance to figure it out. New DC, new line, new weapon. Come on, "the dynasty is over." Give me a break. Even missing the playoffs this year (not saying we are) wouldn't mean the dynasty is over. This could be the beginning of the end. Maybe the SB bowl loss, big contracts, missed/traded draft picks, etc will bite this team and lead to it's eventual demise, but why in the f are some in such a hurry to call it?
Zorn76 wrote:This is a TEAM loss, fellas.
Both the offense and defense have Stunk at crucial times in the 4th qt this year.
midway through the 3rd qt, we have a 20-7 lead.
Carolina then outscores us 20-3 the rest of the way.
Offense scored 3, defense surrendered 20.
That's equal crap play for both units.
obiken wrote:That's fine but the Offense cannot grind out 3rd downs when it counts. We are 1 bad play away from being 1-4. No, its not over but we will need some help. We cant keep dropping home games to good team and then hoping to beat mediocre or bad teams on the road.
obiken wrote:...Staying on top is much harder than getting there.
Hawk Sista wrote:Don't forget ST too.
I'm not throwing in the towel just yet, and I'm not surprised by the ship jumping. The dynasty is over, put a fork in em etc... Sigh! This team is a good team, not a great team right now. Our D allowing 4 scoring 80 yard scoring drives (1st time in 15 YEARS we've done that at home) and the "miscommunication" between the members of our very expensive LOB is mind boggling. Stunning.
Again, there is enough blame to go around. Until they got into the 4th Q, they were solid across the board & held a nice 9 point lead. Then once again, in hugely puzzling fashion, they simply can't convert a 1st down on O or get em the efff off of our field on 3rd down. This has been the repeated refrain in each of our 4 losses. 4th quarter melt-downs x 4 or we'd be 6 & 0 or 5 & 1. It's really very puzzling.
The o-line is what they are (which is admittedly is not a great position group), but to hang these 4 losses on them is not acknowledging what is going on across the board. The Hawks simply are not finishing games in all three phases of the game.
Go Hawks.
RiverDog wrote:Special teams have been pretty good this season. Hauschka hasn't missed a kick, including 50 yarders, lots of touchbacks on kickoffs, and Ryan and the punt coverage have been decent. Lockett has two kick return TD'S. The only phuck up was in OT vs. the Rams. IMO special teams have been the least of our problems.
Hawk Sista wrote:Sherm was the only member of the LOB who attended camp, played in the pre-season and got reps in this new coaching system. Maybe that has something to do with it??? Cary is doing ok, he's still learning. Earl is finally starting to look like Earl (save the final minutes). I really think Kam's absence has played a role.
And I never said the o-line wasn't a problem. I said they aren't the only problem. The o-line is absutely a problem. RW could also have engineered another 1st down or two. It's been 15 years since any hawk's team (let alone the vaunted LOB) allowed FOUR 80 yard drives. They fell apart in the 4th quarter again. One can't overlook it.
HumanCockroach wrote:Having been at the game, and watching from above, I can honestly say, I am Damn near freaking out in regards to the Hawks QB, and defense ( the pass defense in particular). Russ left probably 400 yards and 4 TDS on that field, and I am NOT including the overthrow to Lockett.
The defensive backfield as well as the LB core looks like a comedy of errors in coverage, with it seems no one either knowing their assignment, or at least not communicating. Lots, and I mean LOTS of confusion in the fourth quarter.
And Russ, if the team wanted Jackson out there ( he of the I will not throw it no matter how open the receiver is) he would be starting boss, and he would be a lot cheaper. Whatever that mental hurdle is, that is lingering, we forgive you man, now please, go back to what you were, you weren't terrified of throwing a pick in the fourth quarter, the guy that went for the jugular, this version, the "safe" you, isn't cutting it. Throw five picks, then win the game, that's fine, because you won the game!
HumanCockroach wrote:Having been at the game, and watching from above, I can honestly say, I am Damn near freaking out in regards to the Hawks QB, and defense ( the pass defense in particular). Russ left probably 400 yards and 4 TDS on that field, and I am NOT including the overthrow to Lockett.
The defensive backfield as well as the LB core looks like a comedy of errors in coverage, with it seems no one either knowing their assignment, or at least not communicating. Lots, and I mean LOTS of confusion in the fourth quarter.
And Russ, if the team wanted Jackson out there ( he of the I will not throw it no matter how open the receiver is) he would be starting boss, and he would be a lot cheaper. Whatever that mental hurdle is, that is lingering, we forgive you man, now please, go back to what you were, you weren't terrified of throwing a pick in the fourth quarter, the guy that went for the jugular, this version, the "safe" you, isn't cutting it. Throw five picks, then win the game, that's fine, because you won the game!
savvyman wrote:I saw this stat from Greg Bell's twitter:
Total yards after #Seahawks took 23-14 lead w/ 11 minutes left until CAR took 27-23 lead with :32 left: Seattle 15, Carolina 167.
I would love to see this statistic for all of the four losses this year - Specifically the total offensive yards, 3rd down conversion rate and number of 3 and outs - from the point of our biggest lead in these 4 losses to the end of each game.
I bet the results would be truly Horrific - and I really mean Horrific.
savvyman wrote:I saw this stat from Greg Bell's twitter:
Total yards after #Seahawks took 23-14 lead w/ 11 minutes left until CAR took 27-23 lead with :32 left: Seattle 15, Carolina 167.
I would love to see this statistic for all of the four losses this year - Specifically the total offensive yards, 3rd down conversion rate and number of 3 and outs - from the point of our biggest lead in these 4 losses to the end of each game.
I bet the results would be truly Horrific - and I really mean Horrific.
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