Distant Relative wrote:Sounds to me like PM is being pushed out the door.
NorthHawk wrote:Premier players in any team sport are rarely good coaches.
They usually have a work ethic that is above many of their peers, and things that come naturally or seem obvious to the great player are often difficult for the average player to master.
I imagine this would be extremely frustrating for someone who is used to doing it himself with relative ease. Add in a decade or more of playing at the highest level and it's understandable that they don't know how to coach someone less talented.
I think that's why players that were backups or only played a year or so make excellent coaches. They had to think their way onto the team and understand some of the hurdles the average player has to overcome.
Basically, their experience scratching and clawing to get to the professional ranks even if they weren't particularly successful has made them better teachers.
RiverDog wrote:True, there are some HOF players, like Bart Starr, Mike Singletary, that were complete failures as coaches. But there are some, Mike Ditka comes to mind, that had a least some success.
But that doesn't excuse Manning. I really think he's a bit different personality even with his own teammates. He seems to me to be a little bit aloof. One example I can think if involves Matt Hasselbeck. I can remember one of his teammates, can't remember who except for that it was a defensive player, teasing Matt because he was "folically challenged." You never see Manning's teammates joking around with him, it's all business. It's not a criticism of Manning, he's not a bad teammate and certainly not a jerk like some. He's simply a different type of a guy.
Hawktawk wrote:I think Ostweiller did what he needed to do to earn another start. He went into a hostile environment against a hot team and a coach who knew his team inside and out. No mistakes, over 70% completion rate and 2 TD's. And the team fought like mad dogs for him too.
And yet post game Mike Florio reported that Manning plans on playing in 2016 whether its with the Broncos or someone else. Dungy said he had not heard that yet however, and he has pretty close ties with Manning.
I hope it isn't true. Good lord it would be pure delusion. I dont think there would be any takers even in this QB starved league...
Hawktawk wrote:I beg to differ on Favre. His drama queen antics were what eventually got him released by GB. The man had said he was retiring for god sake, a couple of times in tearful press conferences. But his last year in GB he lost to the Giants in overtime in the semifinals or he might have been in the SB with GB that year. Unfortunately it was Favre's gambling nature that ended both that and the following season with Minn with game ending picks. But Favre could still throw the ball with tremendous velocity until the day he finally did hang it up. The Viking receivers talked about having to adjust to the velocity when he came aboard. He made a star out of Sydney Rice in Minnesota and Jericho Cochery in NY before that.
Manning has never had a consistent fastball since his neck injury. It was exposed tremendously in SB 48 and he has fallen off a cliff since about week 12 of last year. He cannot throw a deep out pattern and everyone knows it. Last start he couldn't throw anything. Less than 40 yards passing with a fumble and 4 picks and it really could and probably should have been 6 picks in less than 3 full quarters.
Who wants to sign up for a season of that? I guess some of the crazy stuff that happens you never know but what is the upside of hitching your wagon to a washed up 40 year old?
I don't think he has a future on the field although the broadcast booth and the front offices would drool to have him.
Its time.
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