Hawktawk wrote:Hey RD, I have some Florida swampland for you too. You too Cbob.
You admit Manning violated a confidentiality clause not once but twice over a period of 9 years. That's not the act of an innocent man IMO. That's the act of a petulant child continuing to thumb his nose at his victim..
And ask yourselves which locker room guy might be lying? The one who said it was a mooning and kept his job or the one who said it wasn't and lost his job and has his letter in court evidence telling Manning to fess up. WHO would be lying there??? Common sense comes into the equation doesn't it?
You are making very light of what is a disturbing pattern emerging of witness intimidation and untruth. Its no different than Manning sending hired goons to Charley Sly's PARENTS!!!!!! house the night before the HGH report was to be released. By strange coincidence he had an impromptu denial video released the next day.
Manning is too GD indignant to believe anyone should dare to tamper with his perfectly crafted and financially protected squeaky clean image. Like Polian says, its a vicious smear campaign.
I think its a light of truth shining on darkness.
Say what you want you guys sound like a couple of good old boys right now.
HumanCockroach wrote:Hope none of your daughters or wives ever have to have their lives f#cked over multiple times by some simple mistake by someone who is really good at throwing a f#ing ball. Maybe then you'll Change your tunes. Until then, enjoy being part of the good ol' boys, I'm really not interested in joining.
Come on, Hawktalk. I'm not making light of anything and unlike you, I'm not buying any story. Make your argument if you must but don't get upset with those of us that don't embrace these allegations to the same degree that you apparently have.
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HumanCockroach wrote:Allegations? They aren't "allegations" they are facts per every person in the room, including the "accused" Peyton Manning himself, can you get more factually accurate than everyone involved agreeing it happened? The "intent" is the ONLY thing Manning argued, not the actual instance or result of them.
HumanCockroach wrote:Sorry Bob. Your "opinion" was that Manning didn't do anything "wrong" because it was just "stupid"( not evil, just stupid) both times he jacked this lady's career. I'm not going to apologize for MY opinion either, which was pretty clear, and included my opinion of those hell bent on not only excusing the initial act, but the even more obscene act that he followed it up with. I'm entitled to that opinion the same as you right? I have not "attacked" you or RD, but I'm not going to apologize for expressing my disappointment that you are making excuses for the man. What happened isn't in question per Mannings own testimony, It's there, factual and accurate, the only thing you can "debate" is his "intent" but as I've pointed out, intent is irrelevant to the discussion, plenty of people sitting in jail right now, for doing things they didn't "intend" to do. Manning admitted doing it, and co authored the book where he libelled the lady, and sent the transcript not only yup her, but her boss. Those things aren't " allegations" or "claims" those are accurate and backed up by the guy, you want to create excuses FOR. Not the Doctor, but Manning himself.
HumanCockroach wrote:But I thought it wasn't, sexual abuse, just a silly, stupid mistake, so no harm no foul, right?
This entire time, I have continually discussed that while not acceptable ( not even close to acceptable, or even worse just a young mistake in judgement) that what Manning did after the fact, was worse by FAR and he did it without the excuses used for his previous / original stupidity/offense/assault whatever you want to call it. Be wasn't a "kid" by a long stretch, and still felt the actions acceptable. Neither one of you seem to be able to get past defending the original action, and again "intent" may matter to you in that instance, but how in the world can you claim the same when he screwed her a decade later that took months and years to fruition? How is that even possible? Much less reasonable?
Maybe sexual assault "offends" me, I'll own that, and people being blaise about it pushes me to the point of boiling, but believe it or not, rich, powerful, influential people screwing hard working people pisses me off a Hell of a lot more. People ( all people) deserve better, not just from guys like Manning, but everyone else.
My opinion about what Manning did along the entirety of this disgusting debacle hasn't changed and won't. I apologize to both you and Bob for "involving" your families, it wasn't intended as an attack, it was intended to get you to see or feel it on a personal level. For me, that means thinking about my family, or friends and how I would feel about it. In this situation, the whole thing disgusted me from Manning "accidentally dropping "himself" on a woman's head" and from there it went downhill.
.Sexual assault is any type of sexual contact or behavior that occurs without the explicit consent of the recipient
HumanCockroach wrote:Sorry, I simply used the words that were used in the court documents, and fit the accepted definition of the term.
I can certainly use another term, though I'm not sure it matters much.
HumanCockroach wrote:I don't think so Hawk, I was a "fan" not a detractor, and after the continued harassment ( even if I was more in line with the "young" stupidity excuse. Which I'm not.) isn't acceptable to me. Just isn't. Anyone with that amount of privilege, prestige and money that felt the continued harassment for something they did was acceptable, much less a right to gloat about it on the way, is one of the lowest possible human beings I can imagine. Far as I'm concerned at this point, I hope he loses every penny he's ever made, never gets elected to the hall, and can't find employment anywhere for the rest of his days... Not even as a delivery boy for good ole Papa John's. Simply have zero sympathy for someone that drops his junk on someone's head "even by accident" and then proceeds to trash their career, name and anything else they get their hands on for the better part of 10-15 years. I'm not sure how anyone can defend those actions, regardless of how well he played the game...
I would feel the same about ANY player, including my "heros" growing up like Easely or Largent, or current faves currently playing like Russ or Sherm, I simply would not defend them, or provide excuses.
Count me as one of the "fans" that have switched. Far as I'm concerned, everything he has done is "tainted" and not worth an ounce of my respect. When I talk about "alltime greats" at QB, his name won't be in the conversation.
HumanCockroach wrote:I don't think so Hawk, I was a "fan" not a detractor, and after the continued harassment ( even if I was more in line with the "young" stupidity excuse. Which I'm not.) isn't acceptable to me. Just isn't. Anyone with that amount of privilege, prestige and money that felt the continued harassment for something they did was acceptable, much less a right to gloat about it on the way, is one of the lowest possible human beings I can imagine. Far as I'm concerned at this point, I hope he loses every penny he's ever made, never gets elected to the hall, and can't find employment anywhere for the rest of his days... Not even as a delivery boy for good ole Papa John's. Simply have zero sympathy for someone that drops his junk on someone's head "even by accident" and then proceeds to trash their career, name and anything else they get their hands on for the better part of 10-15 years. I'm not sure how anyone can defend those actions, regardless of how well he played the game...
I would feel the same about ANY player, including my "heros" growing up like Easely or Largent, or current faves currently playing like Russ or Sherm, I simply would not defend them, or provide excuses.
Count me as one of the "fans" that have switched. Far as I'm concerned, everything he has done is "tainted" and not worth an ounce of my respect. When I talk about "alltime greats" at QB, his name won't be in the conversation.
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