Zorn76 wrote:It was so up and down for the first 9 weeks that it'd be easy to overlook.
That is quite a stat.
c_hawkbob wrote:I think the record is for "Super Bowl Era", I think the Browns did it back in the 30's (when there were only like a dozen teams in the NFL so it was much less impressive).
c_hawkbob wrote:I think the record is for "Super Bowl Era", I think the Browns did it back in the 30's (when there were only like a dozen teams in the NFL so it was much less impressive).
RiverDog wrote:The Browns weren't around in the 30's. They were originally part of the All American Football Conference in the 50's and entered the NFL when that conference broke up.
But your point is valid.
c_hawkbob wrote:Thought sure the Browns is who they (I can't recall which talking head) said it was ... maybe it was the bears ... but i am sure it was the 30's.
HumanCockroach wrote:I said it two years ago, and nothing has changed my mind. Best defense in HISTORY. Period. There is really no viable debate. The Seahawks have done it better, and longer, in a more difficult time frame, with all the Cards stacked against them.
obiken wrote:I don't know River for ONCE, I have to agree with Human, the 85 Bears only won one title, but is ranked as one of is not THE best Defenses of all time.
My best friend in Cleveland, who is totally dispassionate on NFL football, asked me what is the matter with Seattle's Defense.
NO doubt in the end you have to win SB's to be remembered and more than one to be one of the elite's.
obiken wrote:How did we lose 6 games???
?Pure statistics, yes, there is no argument. But you can make an argument based on the number of championships/Lombardi'/SB appearances our defense has to our credit vs. the Steelers, Dolphins, Giants, et al. After all, that is what counts most, isn't it
HumanCockroach wrote:Sorry. No. No matter how good a defense is, Lombardi's require more than simply a good defense. You know it, as well as I do, or have you misplaced the guys like Swann, Harris, Bradshaw et el, perhaps Morris, Czonka etc ring a bell? Maybe not. Even IF I were to be inclined to ignore that stuff ( which I'm not) there's that whole "cards stacked against them thing" in regards to the way defenses have to play ( as well as the insane complexities of current offenses) PLUS the "added" bonus of free agency AND a salary cap... Truthfully, dismissing it, is almost offensive to me at this point. They accomplished something NONE of those defenses accomplished, while fighting the cap, penalties, better competition, attrition, longer seasons ( meaning more injuries, and even more attrition) a loss of two coordinators in a point and pass happy league, and still it's debatable? Nope. Not even close in my eyes, not remotely.
Can anyone enlighten me?
Old but Slow wrote:Stupid question time. As I understand it we have allowed the fewest points in the NfL for 4 years, and that is a record. Beautiful, and true. But, the OP states the 4th year as the best scoring defense. Did our defense score more than anyone? With pick 6's, fumble recoveries, blocks and the like? I am voting for a misstatement, because I have seen nothing to indicate that our defense scored more points than any other team, either this year of any other. Can anyone enlighten me?
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