c_hawkbob wrote:Always open to trade offers, but I still think he can become a valuable asset and he is already under contract. I don't we need to actively do anything beyond moving forward with him as a part of our team.
Hawk Sista wrote:I agree with the sentiments that suggest A. he was on pace to best franchise TE records. B. our Offense had yet to find itself when he was injured. C. He was having a helluva game when he was injured D. I do not think that we got better because Lynch and Graham went out. I think we got better after the Cardinal game because if we didn't, we would not have made the playoffs and the team responded in every phase of the game. The biggest thing that shifted was the elimination of Nowak and Cary in favor of Lewis and Lane.
It will be fascinating to see Jimmy come back and what he could do with an O-line that actually gives RW enough time to find him. While trade offers and competition are always the way this current regime will do things, I think they are excited at having a healthy Jimmy with RW, Doug and Rawls on O.
Hawk Sista wrote:
It will be fascinating to see Jimmy come back and what he could do with an O-line that actually gives RW enough time to find him. While trade offers and competition are always the way this current regime will do things, I think they are excited at having a healthy Jimmy with RW, Doug and Rawls on O.
Hawk Sista wrote:It will be fascinating to see Jimmy come back and what he could do with an O-line that actually gives RW enough time to find him. While trade offers and competition are always the way this current regime will do things, I think they are excited at having a healthy Jimmy with RW, Doug and Rawls on O.
RiverDog wrote:Graham is part of that OL that doesn't give RW time, Sis.
Oly wrote:
How often did the Hawks ask Graham to pass block? I don't recall him doing a ton of that, but I'll admit that I wasn't really paying enough attention to know for sure.
Go Hawks!
Oly wrote:How often did the Hawks ask Graham to pass block? I don't recall him doing a ton of that, but I'll admit that I wasn't really paying enough attention to know for sure.
I tend to agree with those who are saying that Graham is a great weapon and will help the offense. I do think it was a coincidence that the offense got better when Graham went out. Mostly, the co-incident was the OL improving. I do think that they were forcing Graham the ball too, though, and once he went out Wilson was freer in finding the open guy. With this being Graham's 2nd year, I think that pressure will be off and they'll just integrate him.
Go Hawks!
NorthHawk wrote:The Offense also went to a quicker passing game.
That might have had an impact on how well Graham did if he wasn't hurt.
It's something that should have been tried a lot earlier when the pass blocking was really bad.
obiken wrote:ITs a bad trade because what we gave up he is still a good red zone and slot receiver, at TE I am with you, its a non starter.
RiverDog wrote:
Graham played in 10+ games and scored just 1 TD in the red zone. That's pretty solid evidence that we were not utilizing him properly and that something needs to change.
I read an article that echoed some of North Hawk's comments about this type of knee injury. It's going to be a particularly difficult recovery process for him. I wouldn't be counting on him to contribute much of anything next season and wouldn't be surprised if he gets cut, so our discussion about how to utilize him might be a moot point.
c_hawkbob wrote:You're talking about after next season if indeed he fails to recover physically right?
No way he gets cut before the season, they ain't gonna give up on that big an investment that easily.
RiverDog wrote:So what happens with Jimmy Graham? Does he stay or do we trade him? Is a trade even a viable idea? Or do we attempt again what we tried and failed to do in the first part of this season: Incorporate him into our offense and give Russell the big target, red zone threat that he's been lacking.
Personally, if it's viable, I'd like to see us trade him for a player at a position of need, such as an offensive lineman. We're trying to fit a square peg into a round hole. He's not cut out to be a tight end in this offense.
monkey wrote:Why would we trade a guy we're not even sure will come back from his injury? We gave up a first and Unger to get him, and right now we'd be LUCKY to get anything even approaching that in a trade, because no one is even sure how the injury will affect him.
Furthermore, in spite of all the whining about him, he was GOOD for us. He had multiple big games for us last year.
I for one cannot wait to see him in year two, with a Russell Wilson who has taken big steps forward. Our receiving corps next season is set to be absolutely terrific with Graham and Lockett, in their second season with the team, and more in sync with Russell, and a Baldwin who has become a legitimate superstar. (I expect Kearse to return on a cap friendly deal). As well as the return of Paul Richardson (who everyone seems to have forgotten about) etc...
So long as Jimmy Graham can return to full health (that is a big question considering the type of injury he suffered, that injury can end people's careers!) I fully expect him to be more integrated in the offense, so that we'll see less forcing the issue with him, less trying to get him involved, and more just using him as the big body receiver he really is.
Bevell might need to be slapped upside the head to get him to stop trying to make him a typical blocking TE, and just use him for what he is, A HUGE mismatch at receiver primarily.
I don't see why people are so down on the trade. It virtually ALWAYS takes a year for newly acquired talent (whether through free agency or trade) to really integrate into the new team. I was never expecting otherwise with Graham (though I was expecting Bevell to be smarter about how to use him, but that's not Graham's fault), I will be expecting a BIG step forward this next year though after another training camp with Wilson in this offense.
Personally I am absolutely GEEKING about what this offense will look like next year, with Graham, Lockett and Rawls all in year two, and with Wilson having spent the off season in what Pete described as a "Masters class" with the coach.
Obviously that is all reliant on Graham actually being able to come back from that injury, which is not at all a slam dunk.
Even so, with or without Graham, this offense is poised for BIG things next year. I can't wait to see Rawls tearing up the league next year, with Wilson continuing to set and break records.
NorthHawk wrote:Your last sentence is telling, RD.
They didn't use him properly at first probably in a large part because of the poor OL play, but his catch total was beginning to improve.
I'm not sure if they want him to be what he is, though and that's a big receiver, not a traditional TE.
Hawktawk wrote:I think we do need to alter the paradigm RD. Teams have adjusted not only to our defensive personnel but also the scheme. Overall they had a statistically great season in many areas but proved vulnerable against the better teams in critical moments. The offense need to do more and do it earlier in the games. We could take a lesson from the Patriots vs. KCs stout run defense. Great run defense against an ineffective run game? Ok how about we do 11 plays all passes for a TD drive on the first possession?
Russ is at another level now and could easily do that. His passing game can carry us if necessary and its time to open up the offense. If healthy Graham could be a huge factor in that.
PTHawker wrote:Hello HawkShack members
1st time poster, long time Seahawk fan
I wasn't sure where to post my greetings, so I thought the Jimmy Graham thread would work fine, since I"m a big Jimmy guy.
Yes, he definitely needs to stay as he adds a great dimension to our offense, even if it wasn't shown as good as the hype was.
I really believe after this year, he can reflect and realize that our offense is a little different than the offense he had in New Orleans. Here we play a more fluid style of offense, where the play isn't dead if the pocket breaks down. I'm not sure he really understood that in the beginning, but upon retrospect he should understand it better. I also believe his blocking will be better, and I thought it was getting better as the year went on before he was injured. Again, I think its how fluid our offense is that makes knowing who to block a little more challenging.
I hope to see great things from him in the coming year and with him, Lockett and ADB, I really think Wilson will have a monster year.
PTHawker wrote:Hello HawkShack members
1st time poster, long time Seahawk fan
I wasn't sure where to post my greetings, so I thought the Jimmy Graham thread would work fine, since I"m a big Jimmy guy.
Yes, he definitely needs to stay as he adds a great dimension to our offense, even if it wasn't shown as good as the hype was.
I really believe after this year, he can reflect and realize that our offense is a little different than the offense he had in New Orleans. Here we play a more fluid style of offense, where the play isn't dead if the pocket breaks down. I'm not sure he really understood that in the beginning, but upon retrospect he should understand it better. I also believe his blocking will be better, and I thought it was getting better as the year went on before he was injured. Again, I think its how fluid our offense is that makes knowing who to block a little more challenging.
I hope to see great things from him in the coming year and with him, Lockett and ADB, I really think Wilson will have a monster year.
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