Ahtyba Rubin first of the 'real' FA's to resign

[jshawaii22]

just got posted in the PFT, 3 years, no $$$. He was a good partner to Mebane, who I'm sure is in negotiations right now...

There sure seems to be a ocean liner full of $$$ available for some of the teams and this year is the first year they HAVE to spend it, a lot of it. It's going to be real hard to keep the team together this year.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... yba-rubin/

[obiken]

That's good news!

[NorthHawk]

Good, they can now concentrate on replacing Irvin (who the Cards are interested in, btw).
I don't suspect we will be active in FA until the first wave of signings are over.

[mykc14]

Really glad to hear. It was pretty clear that they were going to try their hardest to keep him. Pete called him the best 3-tech he has ever had. So far so good!

[jshawaii22]

I know Irvin would like to stay, but next to Denver, we have the least amount of $$$ to spend under the cap. Okung, JR, Kearse and Irvin will all be paid over their worth (I would assume) by some desperate team and JS just doesn't operate that way.

js

[NorthHawk]

They also tendered Lewis at $1.67 million.

[mykc14]

I know Irvin would like to stay, but next to Denver, we have the least amount of $$$ to spend under the cap. Okung, JR, Kearse and Irvin will all be paid over their worth (I would assume) by some desperate team and JS just doesn't operate that way.

js

Actually we have a decent amount of money still (20 mil) not counting lynch's retirement (6 mil saved) and whatever we signed Rubin for, putting us in a position to still do whatever we want. We have more cap space then about 10 or 11 teams.

[jshawaii22]

OK-- 20m that's better. What I was reading was the actual amount we can spend in $$$. Cap + carryover - dead cap. Let's hope they use it wisely.

[Hawktawk]

Good move Rubin's a bowling ball with razor blades.

[NorthHawk]

OK-- 20m that's better. What I was reading was the actual amount we can spend in $$$. Cap + carryover - dead cap. Let's hope they use it wisely.

There could be a fly in the ointment as Lynch still hasn't signed his retirement papers.
We could be on the hook for some of his salary should he hold out to get cut or leave the door open to playing for another team.

[c_hawkbob]

Who is saying Lynch hasn't signed his retirement papers? In the Draft press conference John was adamant that it was a done deal, he's retired.

[mykc14]

Who is saying Lynch hasn't signed his retirement papers? In the Draft press conference John was adamant that it was a done deal, he's retired.

Its hard to say if he has actually signed his papers or not. I know this is hardly official but over the cap and spottrac both still have his contract as an active contract and not in the 'dead money' part where it should be when he is retired. Personally I like spottrac a lot better because they are usually quicker to add in transactions. For instance they have Jarod Mayo, Calvin Johnson, and Peyton Manning all in the 'dead money' category. Obviously this is might be a simple mistake by spottrac or it might not mean anything but it does seem a little weird his contract is still active. Also, I don't think there is any funny business or anything but I am sure the Hawks would want it to be official, for cap reasons, as soon as possible (if its not already).

[NorthHawk]

Who is saying Lynch hasn't signed his retirement papers? In the Draft press conference John was adamant that it was a done deal, he's retired.

The Seahawks haven't added him to the reserve/retired list. Connecting the dots suggests that Lynch hasn't yet signed the papers.
If I'm wrong then I apologize, but not updating the list limits the available Cap space so it would be stupid to not do so, and our FO is not stupid.
Perhaps they are wrangling over whether Lynch should pay back part of his bonus.

[mykc14]

The Seahawks haven't added him to the reserve/retired list. Connecting the dots suggests that Lynch hasn't yet signed the papers.
If I'm wrong then I apologize, but not updating the list limits the available Cap space so it would be stupid to not do so, and our FO is not stupid.
Perhaps they are wrangling over whether Lynch should pay back part of his bonus.

Yeah, or its just Lynch being Lynch. He decides when he does things. The problem is that it *could* put the team in a bind *if* he is dragging his feet on this. It has been reported that the Hawks are not going to go after his bonus but there certainly could be more to the story; with Lynch there usually is...

[HumanCockroach]

Seattle doesn't have to have Lynch sign the retirement papers they simply have to put him on the reserved/retired listing with the NFL offices and they have until week 1 to do so. They don't have that 6.5 million to spend until they do so, but Lynch doesn't have to be "cut" to recoup that money, at least according to everything I've read. If I'm misinterpreting that maybe someone can clear it up. But that's my understanding from every article I've read. Lynch doesn't have to do anything for Seattle to save that money.

Another interesting thing I've stumbled across, is if they instead cut him post June 1st they actually save more money on his cap hit ( something like 2 million dollars) but they no longer retain his rights should he change his mind, and wouldn't receive any compensation beyond the monetary amount.

[jshawaii22]

Here is our favorite sometimes correct football news blasting about Marshawn:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... awn-lynch/

[HumanCockroach]

Ta da.... Ask and you shall receive... Pretty much the same thing I posted with the exception that I misunderstood the post June 1st thing slightly. It does give 2.5 million more this season, but only as an eventual 2.5 million payment next year. Otherwise it's consistent with other articles I've read.

Ultimately, the Seahawks still have roughly 19 million in space without doing anything with Lynch. Meaning unless they NEED that to sign a FA they can't "live without" there's no reason to rush it. They can put him on that list any time between now and the first game of the season, or simply cut him after the June first date to space out his dead money.

[jshawaii22]

Good Bye Bruce... must of been one hell of an offer... or the Seahawks played you like they did with Golden Tate. You'll like Oakland, but I'll bet you live somewhere else. Oh, and don't go bare feet in the locker rooms...

js

[jshawaii22]

Jeremy Lane resigns at for four years. The LOB continues. Let's hope the Kam doesn't disintegrate again before the start of next season.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... year-deal/

[HumanCockroach]

Lanes deal
http://sea.247sports.com/Bolt/Report-Nu ... d-44183090

[HumanCockroach]

Some good news...

http://nfltraderumors.co/seahawks-reach ... ne-kearse/

[jshawaii22]

I hope Okung is next. I know some don't like him, but you can't easily replace him and I'd rather see us use that 1st rd pick on a LB.

No market for wide receiver's this year. evidently. I'd like to see Lockett take the starting spot with Baldwin and the either Tyler or Doug can move to the slot in 3 man sets.
js

[HumanCockroach]

Ryan re signs for four more years...


http://mynorthwest.com/292/2931287/Jon- ... ryear-deal

[jshawaii22]

It's been s l o w, but Mike Morgan, one of PC's favorite players is coming back.

[HumanCockroach]

It's been s l o w, but Mike Morgan, one of PC's favorite players is coming back.

This is a smart signing. If for no other reason than depth. That said Morgan is a better all around LB than Pierre- Louis ( who is atrocious in run defense) and wouldn't be shocked at all to see him starting if the Clark experiment fails ( which I kind of believe it will) in replacing Irvin, either through the draft or some weird bargain after cuts. Morgan might indeed end up being the "bargain" signing of the free agent season for Seattle and quite possibly could be the starter week 1 ( honestly wouldn't in the least be surprised to find out the opportunity to start, as opposed to being destined to backup in Pittsburgh played a significant role in him returning, for perhaps less money).

[jshawaii22]

I thought Frank Clark had a good first year, when he had a chance to play.
Frank played at least as good as Bruce Irvin's first year, IMHO, but they don't really play the same position. I remember that Bruce, when he came in as a DE, usually ended up 20 yards behind the QB and got his sacks from behind, when QB's held the ball too long.
He was terrible against sweeps and got run out of a lot of plays.

He really didn't come into his own until his 3rd year, and more as a good 'regular' LB then a 'rushing' LB, where I still don't think he's as good as he thinks he is. In fact, Bruce's comments when he got to Oakland show me that he really doesn't get it. If Oakland uses him as a rushing LB and he succeeds, more power to him.

Maybe I missed something, but I think Frank will be real good when he gets his chance. Not sure about him as a LB, but as one of our DE's.

[RiverDog]

I thought Frank Clark had a good first year, when he had a chance to play.
Frank played at least as good as Bruce Irvin's first year, IMHO, but they don't really play the same position. I remember that Bruce, when he came in as a DE, usually ended up 20 yards behind the QB and got his sacks from behind, when QB's held the ball too long.
He was terrible against sweeps and got run out of a lot of plays.

He really didn't come into his own until his 3rd year, and more as a good 'regular' LB then a 'rushing' LB, where I still don't think he's as good as he thinks he is. In fact, Bruce's comments when he got to Oakland show me that he really doesn't get it. If Oakland uses him as a rushing LB and he succeeds, more power to him.

Maybe I missed something, but I think Frank will be real good when he gets his chance. Not sure about him as a LB, but as one of our DE's.

I agree with your take on Irvin. He never did fulfill this 10 sack a game player that was the original promise when he was drafted. It wasn't until Year 3 that he started to blossom, and even then it was his non pass rushing abilities that kept him in the lineup as he really improved his run defense and his pass coverage skills.

The jury's still out on Frank Clark. We have been as deep along the DL as any team in the league over the past couple of years so it's difficult for a rookie to see a lot of snaps. I'm anxious to see how he performs in his second season.

[HumanCockroach]

No one promised ten sacks a game ( good Lord). It takes pass rushing opportunities to get sacks, he had them his rookie year, and led the league amongst rookies as a RAW football player with 8.5 ( over ten including post season) as a part time pass rushing specialist, anyone who thinks that with more reps, experience and work those numbers wouldn't have gone up, doesn't really grasp how football works very well.

He was moved to LB, Seattle either wanted his ability on the field more often, or felt that his level of play dictated it. Either way they seldom rushed Irvin, watch and learn fella's watch and learn. Seattle just allowed Von Miller to line up opposite Khalil Mack. Oakland is going to be a beast for opposing QBs.

[NorthHawk]

Even more so if Aldon Smith gets on the field, too.
That could be a nightmare for all Offenses if they get going.

[HumanCockroach]

Even more so if Aldon Smith gets on the field, too.
That could be a nightmare for all Offenses if they get going.

Isn't Aldon a free agent? Thought his contract with Oakland was for last year only.

[NorthHawk]

I was under the impression that he was suspended by the league, but still belonging to Oakland.
I could very well be wrong.

[jshawaii22]

Sorry, but I just can't close my eyes and see a lot Von Miller in Bruce. He won't be the next coming of a rushing LB, even opposite Mack.

Just like with Golden Tate not being in the right system here, that could be the case for Bruce. We'll see, but I doubt he does that much more then he did here.

js

[HumanCockroach]

Irvin rushed the passer on 20% of his snaps ( and that INCLUDES his time as a DE the last two seasons) and garnered 6.5 and 5.5, Oakland has made it clear they are going to use Irvin to rush the passer upwards of 80% according to early reports out of Oakland, and your theory is his sack totals won't significantly improve? He had 8.5 his rookie season as a raw undersized DE that was used primarily as a specialist. You don't think added experience, reps, weight are going to add up to 4 to 5 more sacks a year? O.k. watch.

[jshawaii22]

If he rushed 20% of the time and got 5.5 or 6, then he should be putting up Von Miller stats this year with the defense the Raiders now have. Back before the Seahawks were a twinkle in Nordstom's eyes, my Dad lived in Walnut Creek and was a huge Raider's fans, so it will be fun to watch what I can this year just to see Bruce.

js