obiken wrote:I heard that we may go after Travis Henry, I guess I just assumed that Rawls was our guy.
obiken wrote:Do you really see a Heisman Trophy Winner falling to us though River?
obiken wrote:I heard that we may go after Travis Henry, I guess I just assumed that Rawls was our guy.
c_hawkbob wrote:Doesn't matter whether Rawls has earned the spot or not, the injury he sustained is the type that could either be a "2nd year back" injury or one from which he never truly recovers.
Besides, even if he is 100% this year you want 2 top flight RB's nowadays.
RiverDog wrote:It seemed like last season that it didn't matter who we plugged in there... Lynch, Rawls, or Michael. They did a really nice job.
monkey wrote:You do realize that, this statement you just made, is strong evidence of the fact that people underrate the offensive line right?
Oh sure, the line may not be a great pass blocking one, but when it comes to run blocking, our line, no matter how it was comprised, was a top five line.
ZBS lines always get undervalued.
HumanCockroach wrote:People do realise Seattle gave up less sacks and pressures than all but one team in the NFL from week 10 on last season right? Leaked like a sieve my arse. I understand complaining about the first half of the year, though it is clear as day that even that was a combination of factors ( as has been discussed by coaches, players, analysts etc). However complaining about a line that excelled from week 10 on seems awfully clueless.
Sorry, HC, but the first 9 games of the season did happen, and our multiple failures during that 50+% of the season caused us to lose the division and HFA and with it, diminished our chances of going back to the SB. We cannot afford to wait another 9 games this season for this new addition to 'gel' like we had to last season. And like North Hawk pointed out, the sad state of the OL forced us into a whole different offensive mode in order to compensate for that weakness and resulted into the stats that you're busting your buttons over.
Plus we're down two of the OL's from that unit that you are so damn proud of.
HumanCockroach wrote:This is what I mean. Unrealistic, close minded, evaluation. Evaluation takes into account ALL of the information, not just the good or just the bad ( by the by Okung missed 3 of those games so spare me).
Don't care really what your assessment is on it, you would be claiming the same if they have up 20 sacks all season and those 20 came in three games that "cost" them the division title or number one seed. Your continuing insistence that the line was solely to blame for those struggles at the beginning of the year, shows your inability to rationally judge the problems that the whole team struggled through, NOT just the offensive line.
( edit: please feel free to show me where I expressed "pride" in the line at any point, last season or this off season. Otherwise you can stop claiming I have said something I haven't. Just because I point out positives that were accomplished, doesn't mean I'm happy about everything, just means I can SEE everything, not just what I WANT to)
obiken wrote:My sentiments exactly River. I think the comeback was fine, but you have win the division or face a Mount Everett of a Playoff run. We can keep digging holes in individual games or in Seasons and come out smelling like a rose.
Laugh your ass off at this:
Summary: It’s amazing that the Seahawks got as far as they did with a line that struggled to open many holes, and a pass protection unit that was sieve-like. It got better when Patrick Lewis came in, but their poor play serves to only highlight how good the backs were, and how talented Russell Wilson is at extending plays.
https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2 ... is-season/
I'm not "guessing" at anything. We had the worst W/L record since 2011. That's a fact.
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HumanCockroach wrote:HumanCockroach wrote:
You guys should actually read the whole article, at the end of which he points out that the offense scored more points than every team in the NFL save one from week ten on, has been one of the best running teams four consecutive seasons, Wilson was pressured LESS than all but one QB during that span, had more TDs, less interceptions etc. I'm not entirely sure where exactly you aren't seeing improvement??? In fact, all you are doing is "guessing" at decline based on your own talent evaluation, not actual performances. No one is agreeing with Obi's assessment in that article, they are actually pointing out WHY Seattle has made the revolving door on the line WORK, and actually excel in spite of it.
LMAO.
Laugh your ass off at this:
Summary: It’s amazing that the Seahawks got as far as they did with a line that struggled to open many holes, and a pass protection unit that was sieve-like. It got better when Patrick Lewis came in, but their poor play serves to only highlight how good the backs were, and how talented Russell Wilson is at extending plays.
https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2 ... is-season/
I'm not "guessing" at anything. We had the worst W/L record since 2011. That's a fact.
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You were saying RD?
HumanCockroach wrote:Read the thread. The discussion is solely about your concern over the horrible line, inferior talent and worry. If you aren't willing to put the discussion in context, I'm not going to spoon feed you RD. As for "confusing" you with Anthony, I've never done that, however, your personal knock, and everyone else's, was his inability to see the "good and bad" in the play of certain players. What exactly are you doing with the line from last season? It isn't in this "black and white" right or wrong thing, despite your continued assertion to the contrary in multiple threads.
No where have I claimed "pride" or even said I was SATISFIED with the lines play, not ONE time in the three years the line has been "the" problem for many of you. Just because I SEE all of the play doesn't make me proud, or happy, it makes me capable of evaluating where they are at, where they can go, and what they can do...
You HAVE indeed inferred that the "line cost Seattle games they needed early in the year" in multiple places, which is ridiculous, they certainly haven't all by their lonesome. Maybe you've forgotten what you've posted?
Regardless, if people are going to whine incessantly about that line year after year after year, make claims that have zero grounds in reality ( things like they never improved, or leaked like a sieve all year etc) than I'm not in the least worried about doing so when someone lies about what I've said.
Yes, I do realize that, monkey, and I agree with you, except for one important aspect of the running game: 3rd/4th downs, which is one of the primary reasons why we had so many 4th quarter meltdowns last season
HumanCockroach wrote:Lol yeah ok RD. Hide however you want.
HumanCockroach wrote:And I'm ok with that, the thing I have issues with is the refusal to acknowledge that teams win championships ( the whole team) not a QB or a offensive line or a defensive stud etc. The line had issues, I absolutely agree, but I will NEVER agree they were the sole issue in any one game, nor will I ever readily accept the "Wilson will have to run for his life" "there was no improvement" "they can't evaluate talent" all encompassing statements. They are NOT accurate. This team has been successful, and I don't profess to know ultimately what will happen, however after those successes, I'm at LEAST willing to actually see the product they field before writing them off, claiming career ending injuries to the QB or claiming they will be worse without having any knowledge to back that up.
I was simply pointing out facts about that line, they absolutely played poorly at points, but they absolutely WERE one of the best lines the last half of the season on the NFL. A LOT of things go in to that, not just the line talent, and if you're interested, feel free to look at my statements early in the year last season to correct those issues. I pointed them out 6 weeks before Seattle adjusted their schemes and plays ( the SAME adjustments I pointed out were the ones used from week ten on). I'm not a genius or claiming to know what's best, I do however know football, and how to adapt to what's occurring, and have a fairly solid ability to decern talent of players. Seattle's lineman last year were starting caliber players, doesn't make them the best lineman, but it doesn't make them the worst either.
RiverDog wrote: Pete's raised the expectations bar here. It's almost like being a Yankee fan where anything less than a World Championship is a disappointment. That's one of the downsides to fielding championship teams: Fans expect more from you.
HumanCockroach wrote:What I'm comfortable with is Schneider and Carrolls ability to field a championship calibre team, at least until they don't. Beyond that, I'll wait, trust the guys that have created the perennial championship calibre team to continue to make those dicisions, whether I agree with them or not..
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