And if you'll excuse the pun his wife's a pistol under duress:
Per the report, Jackson’s wife replied that he “better be accurate because you ain’t accurate on the field.”
Score one for the wife.
Per the report, Jackson’s wife replied that he “better be accurate because you ain’t accurate on the field.”
RiverDog wrote:I just saw that. Hopefully the charges are false. Besides the fact that TJack wasn't a very good QB, I really liked the guy.
Aren't you glad that Pete didn't follow through with his pledge to "build around Tavaris!"?
monkey wrote:You just creeped me out with that memory!
I've all but forgotten why I was so pessimistic about Pete Carroll when he first came here, but living in Vikings territory, and therefore, knowing more than I like to about the Vikings, it really put a sour taste in my mouth when two of the early BIG decisions Pete made were to bring Darryl Bevell in as O Coordinator (a move I still am not quite at complete peace with) and brought in Tarvaris to QB the team.
I was so ticked off at us starting Tarvaris, that guy had exactly zero chance of EVER becoming more than a serviceable backup, at very best.
So many fans told me to relax, that I needed to "give him a chance".
Trouble is, I'd watched WAY too many Vikings games with Tarvaris under center, I KNEW who he was as a QB, and whatever potential people claimed to be seeing, was nothing more than an illusion made by his athleticism.
Putting back together the two people who I made the most fun of Vikings fans for believing in, (Bevell and Jackson. I mean I RIPPED Vikings fans mercilessly for having those two clowns in such prominent roles) made it nearly impossible to even try to defend the direction the Seahawks were heading in, other than to say, "We have a good defense!"
Offensively, we were going nowhere. Later, picking up Whitehurst, and then Flynn, did nothing to change my mind on that. I never bought into Flynn, (again, I saw too much of him, because of the NFC North connection) and even after squinting really hard and TRYING to see what the coach was seeing in Charlie, I called that trade one of the worst of all time.
Maybe that's why I defend Russell Wilson so much now. I can so easily remember all the craptacular QB's the Seahawks have trotted out there.
I remember like it was yesterday, the back to back years of drafting QB's #1. Dan McQuire, (Mark's little brother) who was the only human being alive to have the distinction of being the all time tallest NFL QB, while leading the NFL in passes batted down at the LOS because the moron couldn't throw over his offensive line. Jeff Kemp, Kelly Stoufer, Stan Gelbaugh, Rick Mirer, John Friez (not the worst, but still...), Brock Huard, Glen Foley. The list goes on and on of absolute crap QB's we've trotted out there over the years.
When I hear fans get irritated with Wilson, and try to blame him for what's wrong with our team when they lose, all I can think is that, anyone complaining about our QB situation, has clearly forgotten how bad it can get.
It started OK with Zorn scrambling around and making something out of nothing, then later some very good seasons from Krieg, (despite all the fumbles). We had one season of a 40 year old Warren Moon, and about four, truly good seasons of QB play from Hasselbeck (once he finally beat out Dilfer).
Otherwise, the Seahawks QB situation has historically been erratic at best.
BY comparison, Wilson is one of the leagues best QB's, and when people whine about Wilson, I feel like a dog who is contentedly chewing on a bone that I've been waiting for my whole life, and someone is trying to take it away from me.
He's not perfect (though the tail end of last season, he took a step closer to that, when he started trusting his reads better, and getting rid of the ball more quickly!!) but he's a damned sight better than ANYONE we've ever had here.
The simply fact of the matter is, we have never had it so good in Seattle. This is our golden era, and might not ever be this good again.
So, color me disinterested in the whole Tarvaris gun thing*, not because I think it's OK to pull a gun on someone, but frankly, I just am glad he's no longer on this team! I've never been a fan, never seen what others liked about him, never thought he was anything more than an anchor, and an excuse to not draft a young QB to groom behind Wilson. I'm much more interested in seeing what Boykin can do, and at least giving him a shot to be the teams backup, and someone we can grow into a serviceable QB, now that Tarvaris is out of the way.
*For the record, I think it's pretty clear that their domestic situation has been very bad for quite some time, if she's saying things like what she was quoted as saying to him. I find that sad. Marriage is a gift.
However, I'm not quite ready to conclude that he pulled a gun on his wife.
Hawk Sista wrote:Nice post, Monkey. RW is special and I would pick him over any other QB right now to run OUR offense. I personally feel the same way about Pete in the coaching role. There's no arguing the success the Hawks have had since his arrival. Winning is expected...'twas never that way before. There were only a handful of double digit win seasons (actually 5) in the franchise's entire history prior to his arrival and we have enjoyed 4 in a row (he has a 10 game per year average after starting with a bare cupboard) + back to back super bowl appearances. I know this is a conversation about QBs....just pointing out that I feel like the same dog with a juicy bone being tugged on when people get all critical of Pete and/or John.
Hawk Sista wrote:hmmmmm...let's see. He was drunk, he admitted to kicking the door down and threatening to kill her, but said there was no gun...and then BANG - there is a loaded a loaded gun and bag o' weed on the counter and his story changed to I was holding the bag with the gun......... but you are inclined to believe she made up the part about him pointing it at her? WHY, may I ask? Is she just being mean to her attacker? Who knows how it will end up or what actually happened? I know I surely don't as I was not there. Things are changing and most people are getting smarter about DV, its negative impacts to society and more and more people are understanding that DV at this level is not just a personal problem. It isn't just Ray Rice's personal business, it isn't just Greg Hardy's business, (or she's just trying to embarrass him or get his money)..........it is a societal issue that needs to be addressed. I just don't get how you can come to the conclusion that she lied...maybe she did, but it surely doesn't look good for him, IMHO.
And, BTW, I agree with this "Besides, if Russell gets hurt, we're screwed with or without TJack." 100%
Hawk Sista wrote:Nice post, Monkey. RW is special and I would pick him over any other QB right now to run OUR offense. I personally feel the same way about Pete in the coaching role. There's no arguing the success the Hawks have had since his arrival. Winning is expected...'twas never that way before. There were only a handful of double digit win seasons (actually 5) in the franchise's entire history prior to his arrival and we have enjoyed 4 in a row (he has a 10 game per year average after starting with a bare cupboard) + back to back super bowl appearances. I know this is a conversation about QBs....just pointing out that I feel like the same dog with a juicy bone being tugged on when people get all critical of Pete and/or John.
Hawk Sista wrote:Ha! Me too River. It's sooooo easy to be steady in June. Come sit on the couch w/ me in September . I'm like Sybil. I go from: "They are gonna blow it" & "I knew we would lose" to "RW is the MAN!", "Sea-HAWKS" & "I love these guys...best EVERRRR!!"
My favorite professional mentor once told me: "who you are when the ish hits the fan tells me more about you than the sum total of all the great ish you do." Which brings me to this:
"I didn't say she made up anything or that I believed or didn't believe either version. All I said was I wasn't ready to conclude that he actually pulled a gun on her. I'm basing my opinion on a gut feel, ie that if I had an obviously physical superiority over an adversary, the last thing I'd think about is pulling a gun, which to me is a last resort, self defense move. But he was drunk, so who knows what he was thinking."
Fair enough, RD. You know me, I'm often not my best when the ish hits the fan (50 and still working on that). I overreact to things. Perhaps I should have let myself think before letting my fingers fly?? I know you are a good guy, really. You are logical and have a big heart. I do believe, however, that we have all been conditioned to dismiss a woman's plea for help where DV is concerned. While this is largely changing, it is a real part of our learned DNA to dismiss such claims.....being tired of this trend, I pounced on you and your inconclusive stance. In fairness, neither of us knows what happened, but TJack admitted to enough, IMHO, to make him guilty of much more than a slap on the wrist.
Hawk Sista wrote:I honestly don't remember who said what back then. I know I was typing in all caps for awhile as I was so bummed about the pick. I hope the team continues to work w/ players on this issue. Not just staying out of police reports, but shifting their thinking. It's creepy to think When RW wrote that article re: DV, sounds like TJack was making it a habit.
We are all products of our upbringing & old ways of thinking and being die hard. Plus, these guys are mostly gigantic trained warriors. I hope positive shifts come from public, NFL and team reactions (as in they are both unemployed) to Rice and Hardy's actions. Add TJack to the heap.
Hawk Sista wrote:Sad story made sadder still. This is the story that every rookie should see. I wonder how players are doing w/ their money now since the league and teams have been coaching them about investing, saving etc.... A large percent are broke after they retire. At least they were.
savvyman wrote:I have found in life that a lot of people are not saving as much as they could for retirement because........................ they are counting on inheriting a good amount of money when their parents pass away. So why should they struggle and save when they see a big windfall in the future? These assholes love to lecture others and to quote "you only live once" & "money isn't everything" as they spend every dime they have and then more. But they will never admit to others and themselves that their superior approach to living life is only possible because mommy & daddy are going to leave them a big chunk of change one day.
I have spoken with many older people who are watching every dime so that they can leave behind as much as they can to their off-spring. I think these people are sick. Many times on inquiry I have found they are doing this because they feel their kids are not that responsible. So why should these kids act responsibly if mom and dad will sacrifice a better lifestyle to enable their kids UN-sustainble reckless consumer lifestyle? I find these parents are dumb enablers of the worst kind.
monkey wrote:I remember like it was yesterday, the back to back years of drafting QB's #1. Dan McQuire, (Mark's little brother) who was the only human being alive to have the distinction of being the all time tallest NFL QB, while leading the NFL in passes batted down at the LOS because the moron couldn't throw over his offensive line. Jeff Kemp, Kelly Stoufer, Stan Gelbaugh, Rick Mirer, John Friez (not the worst, but still...), Brock Huard, Glen Foley. The list goes on and on of absolute crap QB's we've trotted out there over the years.
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