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Re: sherman's post-game comments — lmao!!!

Postby Futureite » Sun Jan 26, 2014 3:40 am

Let's take Sherman out of this and look at the actions themselves. Not his degree, or his charity work, or his profession. The actions.

I have a real issue with this definition of "real". It seems that any charismatic person with star quality earns the "real" tag by boasting, trashing, or promoting themselves in a manner that other's aren't capable of doing. I've noticed that the public enmasse' lives through such imdividuals, who do and say things that most people will not. But that fact alone does not make the star anymore genuine or "real" than anyone else. It makes them a better salesman of their own personal product. My favorite example of this is Tupac Shakur.

Like Sherman, Tupac had star quality. He had charisma and a certain.bravado in which he spoke that made people want to follow him to the edge of the earth, to accept whatever he said as 100% gospel, to believe that whatwver position he took was the 100% truth. In short, everything he said and did made him "real", as he told us things "other people did not want to hear" or "were afraid of saying". In truth, Tupac was an actor, and a damn good one - literally (check out his roles in "Poetic Justice" and "Juice"). But even he admitted that he did not lead the life he rapped about. After being shot while recording in New York, Tupac stated:

"People don't understand, what I say on record isn't really my life. That's not how my life is. It's entertainment".

There he was, the most "real" dude on earth, admitting what I knew the entire time. He was an actor. Sherman is no different to me.

People love Richard's "real". Claim he backs up what he says. But in fact, there are plenty of things he says that cannot be supported. He puts it out there like a modern day Clint Eastwood - as if he's untouchable - people latch on. He's yet to support his claim that Crabtree is "mediocore", after posting nearly 1,200 yds last yr and playing 6 mo after rupturing his achilles, both of which directly condradict Sherman's opinion.

He's yet to support his contention of the correlation between "thug" and "n*****". The word thug has been parroted and recycled in modern slang to connote multiple characteristics, as has "Hustler", "Pimp" and countless other words in modern slang. One can interpret the word thug many ways, and my father was of the opinion that he is a thug - gets in others faces, intentionally creates controversy, comes at people on an intensely personal level. So, whose definition is correct, Richard's ir my father's?

The things he says and does make him no more real than any other person who lacks impulse control. He just says it in a way that you can't or won't. But there are any number of situations where you just don't say or do things out of respect, regardless of whether you would be technically correct in following your impulse. Ex: coworker of mine got promoted over myself. I feel like my work is better. I did post my results side with her's, did not call out the decision. The "truth" supports my position. Telling it would have demeaned another human being.

But people want this now. People want a spokesman who will.do and say things they cannot. People want a guy that will bash other people in all of these social situations where the average person cannot. You can deny it, become self righteous and pound your own virtues and elephant sized balls, claiming you don't need or want that, but you do. Coming from my own personal experiences, if you follow or revere this man I can personally guarantee you do.
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Re: sherman's post-game comments — lmao!!!

Postby kalibane » Sun Jan 26, 2014 8:04 am

Then why in common parlance is it ONLY applied to black people, particularly young black celebrities/athletes who people don't care for? All people like you, Future, want to talk about is the way it can be applied, and refuse to acknoweldge the double standard with which it is ACTUALLY applied.

Calling a black person a thug in and of itself has absolutely nothing to do with race, if it's applicable. The key component of being a thug, is a history and/or willingness of resorting to violence to achieve one's goal. That's true whether you're talking about the dictionary definition or thug in the slang venacular as made popular by hip hop. There is a connotation of criminality and that has never changed. Steve Smith is a thug. Chris Brown is a thug. Richie Incognito is a thug. Phillip Rivers, Jay Cutler, Richard Sherman, Courtland Finnegan and DeSean Jackson are punks, jerks what have you.

However when referring to guys like Phillip Rivers and Jay Cutler the go to term is usually asshole or jerk but when referring to Richard Sherman or DeSean Jackson the go to term is Thug. If everyone was being mislabled a thug that would be one thing, but it's only the black guys. Until I start hearing people like Rivers and Cutler referred to commonly as thugs there is no reason to call Sherman a thug especially when he is pretty much the opposite of a thug.

Perhaps referencing the N-Word clouded his point given it's such a lightning rod word, but the point he was making is that "thug" has become the way for people to refer to black (and hispanic as well) people who they don't care for personally.
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Re: sherman's post-game comments — lmao!!!

Postby Eaglehawk » Sun Jan 26, 2014 8:26 am

Futureite wrote:Let's take Sherman out of this and look at the actions themselves. Not his degree, or his charity work, or his profession. The actions.

I have a real issue with this definition of "real". It seems that any charismatic person with star quality earns the "real" tag by boasting, trashing, or promoting themselves in a manner that other's aren't capable of doing. I've noticed that the public enmasse' lives through such imdividuals, who do and say things that most people will not. But that fact alone does not make the star anymore genuine or "real" than anyone else. It makes them a better salesman of their own personal product. My favorite example of this is Tupac Shakur.

Like Sherman, Tupac had star quality. He had charisma and a certain.bravado in which he spoke that made people want to follow him to the edge of the earth, to accept whatever he said as 100% gospel, to believe that whatwver position he took was the 100% truth. In short, everything he said and did made him "real", as he told us things "other people did not want to hear" or "were afraid of saying". In truth, Tupac was an actor, and a damn good one - literally (check out his roles in "Poetic Justice" and "Juice"). But even he admitted that he did not lead the life he rapped about. After being shot while recording in New York, Tupac stated:

"People don't understand, what I say on record isn't really my life. That's not how my life is. It's entertainment".

There he was, the most "real" dude on earth, admitting what I knew the entire time. He was an actor. Sherman is no different to me.

People love Richard's "real". Claim he backs up what he says. But in fact, there are plenty of things he says that cannot be supported. He puts it out there like a modern day Clint Eastwood - as if he's untouchable - people latch on. He's yet to support his claim that Crabtree is "mediocore", after posting nearly 1,200 yds last yr and playing 6 mo after rupturing his achilles, both of which directly condradict Sherman's opinion.

He's yet to support his contention of the correlation between "thug" and "n*****". The word thug has been parroted and recycled in modern slang to connote multiple characteristics, as has "Hustler", "Pimp" and countless other words in modern slang. One can interpret the word thug many ways, and my father was of the opinion that he is a thug - gets in others faces, intentionally creates controversy, comes at people on an intensely personal level. So, whose definition is correct, Richard's ir my father's?

The things he says and does make him no more real than any other person who lacks impulse control. He just says it in a way that you can't or won't. But there are any number of situations where you just don't say or do things out of respect, regardless of whether you would be technically correct in following your impulse. Ex: coworker of mine got promoted over myself. I feel like my work is better. I did post my results side with her's, did not call out the decision. The "truth" supports my position. Telling it would have demeaned another human being.

But people want this now. People want a spokesman who will.do and say things they cannot. People want a guy that will bash other people in all of these social situations where the average person cannot. You can deny it, become self righteous and pound your own virtues and elephant sized balls, claiming you don't need or want that, but you do. Coming from my own personal experiences, if you follow or revere this man I can personally guarantee you do.


Hey Future,
I noticed Kalibane and others including Sherman himself said the "N-word", you have a problem using that terminology on this forum?
I respect everyone and I know the meaning of the term you used. And it's not appropriate. Not something I want to read from any person here.
Show some respect dude. Sherman at least phrased it appropriately. If you are going to talk about Sherman's use of that term. Then use it the way he used it okay? If he used it the way you just mentioned, I probably would give you a pass. But he didn't. FYI.
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Re: sherman's post-game comments — lmao!!!

Postby kalibane » Sun Jan 26, 2014 8:58 am

Future,

To reference what you added to your post after I wrote mine. You're only half right about Tupac. Tupac wasn't a thug when he started but became a Thug. There is no equivalent between him and Sherman other than they were both book smart and black.

Tupac made his money from projecting an image of drug dealing and violence, whether he actually did those things or not. He worked hard to cultivate and maintain that image both in the studio and in public. Did he have another side to him? Sure... but Sherman doesn't have dual personas... he has one and it doesn't fit into the definition of a thug.

Furthermore, Tupac actively sought out actual thugs to surround himself with and then began engaging in actual thuggish behavior. He died violently because he and some of his friends deciding to beat up a guy in the lobby of a casino on the Las Vegas Strip and then was shot in retaliation. Tupac actually was a Thug.

P.S. for the record while I type "N-Word" out of sensitivity for others I actually support your decision to type it out. I think it's absolutely justifiable in a discussion like this.
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Re: sherman's post-game comments — lmao!!!

Postby Eaglehawk » Sun Jan 26, 2014 9:37 am

Kalibane,

Then why didn't you type it out?

You say it okay for others to characterize Sherman's comments as spelling out the N word, which he did not actually say, but you don't enforce that standard on yourself? You ruin your argument bro.
In fact I think everyone should use the C word for white people.
The S word for Latinos
The C word for women
And anything else they want to type. Go for it!
I respect others too much to go there, whether they respect it themselves or not. I will not use those words. And I have little respect for those that use those words without some type of justification other than the fact that Sherman said "The N word" and not the actual spelling of that word.
What Kalibane and Future, you need to actually spell out the damn word to show us what you mean?
You think so little of your readers?

BS. (Or do you want me to spell that out as well?).
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Re: sherman's post-game comments — lmao!!!

Postby Eaglehawk » Sun Jan 26, 2014 9:51 am

Not to mention that there is a distinction in the spelling of the N word.
Which meaning do you Future impute to Sherman? Why that spelling?
Go off topic and tell us Future. Please I want to know.

And by the way Kalibane while I disagree with you, I respect you, so no worries there, I understand your meaning and I impute nothing wrong to you personally or anyone else(except maybe Future) by my disagreement here.
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Re: sherman's post-game comments — lmao!!!

Postby kalibane » Sun Jan 26, 2014 10:39 am

Eagle I didn't type it out mainly because I didn't want typing it out to become a distraction from the may point of discussion (much in the same way that just saying "N-word" has distracted from Sherman's main point about the word "Thug". People get so hung up on it. So I figure why muddy the water even further, especially when others may be more sensitive to it than I am.

But internally I really don't believe there aren't words that should be off limits across the board. If you're having an honest to god discussion I don't see the issue. IMO it stifles real conversation because we are busy measuring words instead of discussing ideas, which is the important part. (That's just me speaking for me though).
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Re: sherman's post-game comments — lmao!!!

Postby Eaglehawk » Sun Jan 26, 2014 10:58 am

Kalibane,

No worries brotha, we can agree to disagree here. If Sherman said anything other that what he said which was "The N word" I would have absolutely no problem with your point.(Or Futures use for that matter)

But because he did not say this and because the two variations of the N word means two different things(something many people still don't understand) I don't see the need to be pejorative about it.

And trust me I am no hoity toity guy either, you guys can use whatever words you use, but if you then use those words then I will use my words as well and no one should complain I guess. To me its a slippery slope and its a bit disrespectful, but then, that's just me. I think that maybe I am too old school, it is 2014 after all.
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Re: sherman's post-game comments — lmao!!!

Postby monkey » Sun Jan 26, 2014 11:03 am

Good grief Future, you say you want to talk about his actions, then talk about everything BUT.
His actions are, loudly proclaiming himself to be the greatest cornerback in the league (he's right, he is) telling Crabtree that he is sorry (hehe awesome)and that he had better not talk about him, or he'll shut his mouth for him. He said nothing that hasn't been said before by NFL players, and coaches, and he committed no crime, and physically hurt no one.
The most he could possibly be accused of, is doing a bad, (or good depending on your perspective, personally I thought it was great) Muhammad Ali impersonation.
Not once did he curse, or say anything inappropriate, or vulgar or ANYTHING. In the heat of the moment, as angry as he was, he still managed to not curse or use vulgarities (I would have) and ended by giving credit to his team "LOB".

Sooooo....what exactly did he do that was so bad again? Seriously, i must be missing something...
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Re: sherman's post-game comments — lmao!!!

Postby Eaglehawk » Sun Jan 26, 2014 11:08 am

monkey wrote:Good grief Future, you say you want to talk about his actions, then talk about everything BUT.
His actions are, loudly proclaiming himself to be the greatest cornerback in the league (he's right, he is) telling Crabtree that he is sorry (hehe awesome)and that he had better not talk about him, or he'll shut his mouth for him. He said nothing that hasn't been said before by NFL players, and coaches, and he committed no crime, and physically hurt no one.
The most he could possibly be accused of, is doing a bad, (or good depending on your perspective, personally I thought it was great) Muhammad Ali impersonation.
Not once did he curse, or say anything inappropriate, or vulgar or ANYTHING. In the heat of the moment, as angry as he was, he still managed to not curse or use vulgarities (I would have) and ended by giving credit to his team "LOB".

Sooooo....what exactly did he do that was so bad again? Seriously, i must be missing something...
Seriously, here's you
Oh noes!!! Richard Sherman is hte Dick, he hurted my sensibilities!

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Re: sherman's post-game comments — lmao!!!

Postby Futureite » Sun Jan 26, 2014 11:42 am

kalibane wrote:Eagle I didn't type it out mainly because I didn't want typing it out to become a distraction from the may point of discussion (much in the same way that just saying "N-word" has distracted from Sherman's main point about the word "Thug". People get so hung up on it. So I figure why muddy the water even further, especially when others may be more sensitive to it than I am.

But internally I really don't believe there aren't words that should be off limits across the board. If you're having an honest to god discussion I don't see the issue. IMO it stifles real conversation because we are busy measuring words instead of discussing ideas, which is the important part. (That's just me speaking for me though).


OK, out of respect for the wishes of those on this board, I will not say the word. It's your board. But why?? Sherman is the one that said in plain terms people are calling him the "N-word" (I feel ridiculous even typing that) when they call him "thug". So whenever he trashes someone people here respect it as honesty or "true", but for christ sake I have to cloak what he said in PC terms to avoid offending someone? And this doesn't strike anyone as absurdly hypocritical? Lol HE made the correlation, not me.

Anyhow I looked up his Scouts.com, Rivals.com and other profiles posted before his signing with Stanford, and all are listed SATs in the high 900s to low 1,000s. Those would be considered averaga/below average in most colleges. From my understanding, he graduated Stanford with a 3.9 in communications. Commendable, but doesn't exactly make him the genius he's been built up to be. No more commendable thsn Frank Gore fighting through dislexia or hundreds of other athletes who ocame from impoverished backgrounds. Like everything else about him, I feel like people have bought into the image that he keeps pumping out (notice his continual references to Stanford) and are feeding the larger than life persona he is trying to create.

He's not Muhammed Ali, or a genius or in my opinion, not even as good as he promotes himself to be. Jeremy Lane had what, 4 ints in 4 starts? On that D, he is getting a lot of help. He's an outstanding player who is a master at promoting himself, and for whatever reason people eat it up and defend EVERYTHING he says or does. Hey, this is the modern world in today's media cycle. As someone in the media said, people need Richard Sherman. I believe it.
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Re: sherman's post-game comments — lmao!!!

Postby Eaglehawk » Sun Jan 26, 2014 11:54 am

Futureite wrote:OK, out of respect for the wishes of those on this board, I will not say the word. It's your board. But why?? Sherman is the one that said in plain terms people are calling him the "N-word" (I feel ridiculous even typing that) when they call him "thug". So whenever he trashes someone people here respect it as honesty or "true", but for christ sake I have to cloak what he said in PC terms to avoid offending someone? And this doesn't strike anyone as absurdly hypocritical? Lol HE made the correlation, not me.

Anyhow I looked up his Scouts.com, Rivals.com and other profiles posted before his signing with Stanford, and all are listed SATs in the high 900s to low 1,000s. Those would be considered averaga/below average in most colleges. From my understanding, he graduated Stanford with a 3.9 in communications. Commendable, but doesn't exactly make him the genius he's been built up to be. No more commendable thsn Frank Gore fighting through dislexia or hundreds of other athletes who ocame from impoverished backgrounds. Like everything else about him, I feel like people have bought into the image that he keeps pumping out (notice his continual references to Stanford) and are feeding the larger than life persona he is trying to create.

He's not Muhammed Ali, or a genius or in my opinion, not even as good as he promotes himself to be. Jeremy Lane had what, 4 ints in 4 starts? On that D, he is getting a lot of help. He's an outstanding player who is a master at promoting himself, and for whatever reason people eat it up and defend EVERYTHING he says or does. Hey, this is the modern world in today's media cycle. As someone in the media said, people need Richard Sherman. I believe it.


I could care less about the PC nature of this word or not. In fact I feel people are too sensitive to this word at times myself. So, don't even go to that lame argument. You can use the word you used. I just disagree with you using it on this forum because you and I don't know what version of the word Sherman meant. You tell me the correct spelling of that word, and you tell me why, then we can start talking. You just don't throw the damn word around, especially THAT spelling of the word without telling the Board why you are using THAT particular spelling of the word. By the way, I don't think Sherman meant that word but others may differ. Its their opinion. I just disagree.

But since you don't know and I don't know what word he meant to use, what's with the Old RACIST SOUTHERN spelling of that word?
You spelling it out shows your ignorance more than your intelligence.
Just like Kalibane said, he could and would prefer to spell out what he thought the word meant, but out of respect for others on the board he did not.
That word has NOTHING to do with PC my friend. ZERO.
PC is calling people African Americans as opposed to blacks. PC is calling people Asians as opposed to Orientals.
Please don't come here and try to dupe people into a PC or non PC argument. That's not what we are talking about here.

Again if Sherman said the word you used, NO PROBLEM. It is exactly what he said, use the damn word, I could care less because that is EXACTLY WHAT HE SAID. But SHERMAN DID NOT SAY THAT WORD. So please give it a rest and show some respect to others that may view that word being thrown around a little bit different than you for whatever reason. Again, this is not PC nonsense this is a realistic and practical understanding of U.S. history.
I defend your right to say this word on the forum to the death. I am not the Mod. So if they like it, I am not fine with it but its not my call.

I remember when I lived in the South, people used this word in front of me to refer to poor black folk.
You could argue that it's their culture. I don't understand such a culture, but I do understand that its comes from a time in our country that I am not proud of.

To be honest I don't even know why Sherman even mentioned that term. He should have stuck with the thug word.

Again, I am about respect, I would never impute bad motives to you Future for just using the word the way you did.
All I ask is why? You feel he used this particular spelling. I get that. But I think he used another more contemporary spelling that's all I have to say about this point. I need to sleep.

Sorry for the drama my fellow posters. Did not mean to make you feel uncomfortable. Life is too short. I may be dead tomorrow. Why waste so much energy tonight? :cry:
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Re: sherman's post-game comments — lmao!!!

Postby HumanCockroach » Sun Jan 26, 2014 11:55 am

Jeremy Lane has 0 interceptions in 1 start ( against the Niners last year) the DB you are looking for is Maxwell who is still a starter and has the second best passer rating against in the NFL behind none other than Sherman.
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Re: sherman's post-game comments — lmao!!!

Postby monkey » Sun Jan 26, 2014 8:53 pm

Futureite wrote:
He's not Muhammed Ali, or a genius or in my opinion, not even as good as he promotes himself to be. Jeremy Lane had what, 4 ints in 4 starts? On that D, he is getting a lot of help. He's an outstanding player who is a master at promoting himself,

You can always tell a Niners fan is losing it, and is running out of ways to try to spin their BS, when they end up directly contradicting their own statements, inside of one paragraph with only one sentence separating.
Get over it Futureite, you've become a troll.

This is OUR time, the Seahawks time.
Go away to your Niners boards and whine about the Seahawks, and tell them all how much Richard Sherman makes you want to cry, because we don't CARE.
Your team lost to the BETTER TEAM! Go home, lick your wounds, and let us enjoy this time OUR TIME, without your constant stupid trolling.

For all your whining about class, you are demonstrating NONE of it. If you had ANY, you would go away, and stop trying to distract us from our enjoyment of this AWESOME time, with your clueless trolling about a player you don't know, have never met and won't even bother to really research.

Don't go away mad, just go away.

EDIT: because of a promotion that a certain airline was running for Seahawks fans, this announcement was heard. (Paraphrase)
"Now boarding first class passengers and Seahawks fans. Forty Niner fans, we are sorry but your flight to New York has been cancelled."
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Postby Eaglehawk » Sun Jan 26, 2014 10:53 pm

Updated my Foes List.
Futureite, welcome!
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Postby ShackMod » Mon Jan 27, 2014 2:58 pm

Pretty interesting conversation. As such, we will be keeping a closer eye on this thread.
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