RiverDog wrote:Last Sunday in the first quarter, I could clearly see Michael Bennett lining up offsides. He wasn't offsides by a fraction, he had to have been offsides by a foot or more for it to be able to be seen so clearly on TV even without the TV imposed LOS line. And it's not the first time it's happened. I was at a game in Arizona several years ago when Bennett lined up offsides twice on successive plays.
I can understand the plays where he is induced by a good hard count (Aaron Rodgers) to jump offsides. But what I can't understand is why an otherwise very intelligent and heady ball player can commit such bone headed penalties as he's been subject to.
Can somebody please explain?
HumanCockroach wrote:It isn't unique to Bennett. It happens across the league, often times being completely ignored. Can't tell you how many hundreds of times I've watched D tackles ( as opposed to a DE who is further from the ball) line up with helmet and hands beyond the ball with it right in front of them.
Ultimately, Bennett lines up based on how the offensive line does ( ie 1 yard off the tackle). If the tackle is deeper than is legal ( which happens an obscene amount of times) Bennett typically also lines up illegally ( ie offsides). More often than not officials ignore both infractions, but Bennett has a reputation, as such, they throw a flag.
It's all about perspective. I don't know if any of you have lined up on the line, but it isn't nearly as easy to tell where you are lined up with your hand in the dirt as it is from a wide angle where you can look straight down the line.
It's part of his game that we have to accept.
Hawktawk wrote: Ill take the great with the bad
c_hawkbob wrote:Well then what are you suggesting Burr? That he does it intentionally just to give us something to argue about?
c_hawkbob wrote:Did you not read my post from this morning? That's about in depth an overview as I have to offer from behind a keyboard.
burrrton wrote:
Plus another hurry or two per game (even if I grant he gained that, which I don't) seems a low return for giving the opposition an extra (free) 10-15 yards.
jshawaii22 wrote:Maybe he needs to get his eyes checked. If he's farsighted, there could be a serious depth perception issue where the lines and people around him are blurred and not really in focus. You hear about it a lot in baseball, where contacts or glasses opened up perspective. Last week, Chris Paul talked openly about an operation that cleared up his vision and his game has improved this year.
The play that RD started this talk on... he was off-sides by 1 yard... my wife asked me "is that legal"? -- no, that little hanky that stripped shirt just threw down, says it all.
burrrton wrote:Yes, I did- I didn't see anything that would explain why he'd do something like he did Sunday night.
mykc14 wrote:Just a quick look at suh, who is obviously an incredibly talented player. He has had 4 in 12 games this year but he had 13 in 16 games last year. Again Bennett jumps offsides a lot but he isn't the only one trying to get any advantage that he can out there.
And again, I'm not making excuses, just saying I think y'all are making way too big a deal of it.
c_hawkbob wrote:And again, I'm not making excuses, just saying I think y'all are making way too big a deal of it.
NorthHawk wrote:In the NFL, every advantage has to be taken to be successful on a continuous basis.
That means playing up to and on the edge of the rules.
Sometimes players or the Refs make a mistake and players are penalized.
That's what's going on with Bennett.
I'd rather he be as he is instead of being hesitant or less aggressive.
NorthHawk wrote:The difference between hitting a QBs arm while throwing or getting a sack or even leverage on the OLineman is inches.
With his superior quickness, the closer he is to the player opposite, the more advantage he has.
It's that simple.
RiverDog wrote:Sunday night he wasn't off by a couple inches, he was off by a foot or more. Plus he's had games where he lined up offsides on two plays in a row. That's not trying to gain an advantage, it's a lack of attention to detail.
c_hawkbob wrote:Says you. I absolutely think it's trying to gain an advantage.
Sure there's a bit of lack of attention to detail there too (and I'm sure he hears about it from the coaches) but the motivation is 100% trying to gain an advantage.
But on that particular play Sunday night, there is no way in the lower reaches that he was conscious of where he was lining up at.
burrrton wrote: there's no way he's thinking "maybe they won't see my entire head and shoulders are offsides"- and I don't see how a mistake like that can be reasonably characterized as trying to gain an advantage.
burrrton wrote:Eh. screw it. I'm sure PC is working with him on it and I want him to beat Rodgers into the tundra Sunday.
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