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How comfortable are you with Kicker?

Postby Largent80 » Thu Jun 29, 2017 4:37 am

I think letting Haushka go was a mistake, especially with the inconsistent Walsh being the only kicker on the team.

Haush had trouble with a few field goals and a bunch of XP's but so did a LOT of kickers. In close games, i'm officially nervous.

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Re: How comfortable are you with Kicker?

Postby c_hawkbob » Thu Jun 29, 2017 5:33 am

Kickers: Every team's gotta have one.

I suppose ...
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Re: How comfortable are you with Kicker?

Postby NorthHawk » Thu Jun 29, 2017 6:23 am

Largent80 wrote:I think letting Haushka go was a mistake, especially with the inconsistent Walsh being the only kicker on the team.

Haush had trouble with a few field goals and a bunch of XP's but so did a LOT of kickers. In close games, i'm officially nervous.

http://sports.mynorthwest.com/299727/he ... r-concern/


My biggest concern has been and remains the OL.
That being said, we could have won a couple of games if there wasn't a missed FG, but I wonder if the snapper/holder was part of it.
I hope Walsh becomes automatic.
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Re: How comfortable are you with Kicker?

Postby Largent80 » Thu Jun 29, 2017 9:22 am

He missed the winning FG versus US in the playoffs. Granted it was -10 but it's his home field.

And yes, the deal with Gresham bit our asses hard. Just vs AZ twice. Home field advantage squandered.

I feel the Hawks have made a mistake here, and I'm not alone evidently.
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Re: How comfortable are you with Kicker?

Postby Hawk Sista » Thu Jun 29, 2017 12:38 pm

No, you are not alone. It is on of my biggest question marks heading into the season. Walsh made the pro-bowl and was an All-Pro his Rookie year. He has some NFL Records, too. I'm not sure if it is a confidence issue that PC thinks he can fix or what, but his more recent stats are a concern for sure. And that long-snapper business was the silliest thing this regime has done, IMHO. What did we save?? a couple hundred K?
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Re: How comfortable are you with Kicker?

Postby RiverDog » Thu Jun 29, 2017 9:33 pm

One of the things we are not considering is the depth of kickoffs. I always got the impression that Hauschka had good, deep kickoffs that resulted in an above average touchback rate, but I haven't researched it. He can also be credited with an absolutely perfectly executed onside kick in the NFCCG two years ago. I'm not sure how Walsh stacks up to all those attributes, but my gut instinct tells me that it's a net negative.
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Re: How comfortable are you with Kicker?

Postby obiken » Thu Jun 29, 2017 10:02 pm

I think letting Haushka go was a mistake, especially with the inconsistent Walsh being the only kicker on the team

Letting him go was necessary, but not good. He was money on some big kicks that will be emboldened in Hawk history, but last year was a disaster. Not beating AZ cost us everything.
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Re: How comfortable are you with Kicker?

Postby Hawk Sista » Fri Jun 30, 2017 8:22 am

Obi - I hear you on both AZ games last year. I don't know how much, if any, of his misses last year were the result of the change at long-snapper. Maybe I'm making excuses, but if feels like SH is the better of the two kickers. Walsh has had some excellent seasons, but not lately. After he shanked that 27 yarder against us in the playoffs, he couldn't even finish the season. I would just like to see some level of competition at the position, particularly after hearing Brock/Salk stress over his errant kicks in OTAs.
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Re: How comfortable are you with Kicker?

Postby Hawktawk » Fri Jun 30, 2017 10:53 am

People forget how bad Hauschka was last year. What did he miss or have blocked between FGs and XPs? 10?11? His FG kicks were so low they were getting blocked by guys who didn't even jump, just put up their hands. Even his XP kicks were only about halfway up the uprights or less most of the time. It helped on kickoff depth but I've never seen a kicker kicking the ball that low on XPs and FGs. I had completely lost faith in his ability by seasons end and obviously so had PC.

As for Walsh shanking the kick it was the only kick attempted into the howling -20 wind all day by either team kicking a frozen rock a few minutes after Sherm had missed the last one by a fingernail. Give our ST a little credit in that situation and a big assist to the weather. I'm cautiously optimistic and even if Walsh isn't the long term answer there's always legs around.

The SH we knew for years didn't exist last year, period.
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Re: How comfortable are you with Kicker?

Postby Largent80 » Fri Jun 30, 2017 11:35 am

If there's always legs around how did we end up with Walsh?

A ton of games are decided by kicks or even faith that your kicker can actually get it done. That is a sondgarden album name, Superunknown.
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Re: How comfortable are you with Kicker?

Postby Hawk Sista » Fri Jun 30, 2017 1:07 pm

His FG average was a little higher last year than it has been for the balance of his career. As far as FGs, he has had both marginally better and marginally worse years. Overall he is at about 87% and last year he was a little north of 89% - the timing with the misses was awful, I will have to admit...AND, he did miss 6 Extra points, 5 of which were blocked. Point taken on the low trajectory of those kicks. His 5 errors led the league in PATs blocked..

Anyhow, his FG % last year 89.2% compared (ranked 7th in the league last year) to Blair's 75% (ranked 33rd in the league)- THAT is SIGNIFICANT. PAT's last year: Steven -82.9% which sucks and Walsh was worse with 78.9%. We need some camp legs and competition. The guy who took Walsh's place in Minne was 100% after taking over, though it is a smaller sample size. Kai Forbath.

http://www.nfl.com/player/stevenhauschk ... areerstats

http://www.nfl.com/player/blairwalsh/25 ... areerstats

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats? ... fied=false

As for Walsh shanking the kick it was the only kick attempted into the howling -20 wind all day by either team kicking a frozen rock a few minutes after Sherm had missed the last one by a fingernail. Give our ST a little credit in that situation and a big assist to the weather. I'm cautiously optimistic and even if Walsh isn't the long term answer there's always legs around.


This is untrue. What was the score of that game?? 10-9. Steve made his from 46 and Blair made three (from 47, 43 and 22). It is not this miss that has me concerned. Look at his stats.
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Re: How comfortable are you with Kicker?

Postby Hawktawk » Sat Jul 01, 2017 7:57 pm

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All I said was Walsh attempted the only kick INTO the wind all day. He got quick and planted his foot too close to the ball and had no chance to make a normal swing at the ball. In golf terminology he blocked it because he was too close to the ball. With the howling headwind it wasn't close.

Look I'm not overjoyed having Walsh either but SH had become unreliable on the critical gametime kicks. Are blocks not considered kicks? 89'%?accuracy doesn't match my memory of his productivity last year in crunch time. If wrong my apologies and I stand corrected but I stand by the teams decision to move on from him. His number was too high for a guy who had a huge hand in giving the division to Arizona and costing the Hawks the 2 seed.
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Re: How comfortable are you with Kicker?

Postby Hawk Sista » Sun Jul 02, 2017 12:18 am

I hear ya. I just don't like it that BW is our only PK @ present and he's been sucking. Last season & in OTAs. It's an important position. Conditions sucked for everyone that frigid day in January. His Miss there bothers me not...it's the mediocrity he's shown the past few seasons that have me uneasy. :shock:
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Re: How comfortable are you with Kicker?

Postby burrrton » Sun Jul 02, 2017 2:57 pm

And that long-snapper business was the silliest thing this regime has done, IMHO. What did we save?? a couple hundred K?


IIRC, yes. That baffled me from the start, too. I'd love to hear PC/JS explain their rationale.
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Re: How comfortable are you with Kicker?

Postby burrrton » Sun Jul 02, 2017 3:03 pm

In golf terminology he blocked it because he was too close to the ball. With the howling headwind it wasn't close.


Training Camp hasn't started yet, so let's split hairs: when you block a golf shot, it results in a push (goes right for a right-handed golfer).

I think you're right about him planting too close to the ball (although I'd say it could also have been because he planted too far *forward*), but it looks like he tried to fight the block and over-compensated on the way down (resulting in a pull-hook).

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Re: How comfortable are you with Kicker?

Postby mykc14 » Sun Jul 02, 2017 4:14 pm

I don't think there is any doubt that Housch is the better kicker. He's had a much better career overall than Walsh. To answer the OP, no I am not comfortable with our kicking situation. I began to lose a little confidence in Housch last year and Walsh is worse than him. The question is how much was Housch worth? Walsh' salary this year is 1.1 mil, Housch's deal is about 3 mil/yr. not a huge difference especially considering the fact that if Walsh has a good season it would cost at least 3 mil/yr to resign. Clearly the FO wasn't happy with Housch. Could end up being a huge mistake. It will be interesting to see how it goes. Obviously I hope Walsh plays well enough to earn that contract!
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Re: How comfortable are you with Kicker?

Postby curmudgeon » Sun Jul 02, 2017 5:03 pm

Hausckha missed Gresham. Affected his psyche big time........
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Re: How comfortable are you with Kicker?

Postby Hawk Sista » Mon Jul 03, 2017 9:10 am

We all missed Clint; that is for sure -p articularly Hauschka. & didn't Nolan Frees get injured? Is he our guy heading into 2017? Nobody picked up Gresham.
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Re: How comfortable are you with Kicker?

Postby Largent80 » Mon Jul 03, 2017 1:50 pm

I'm sorry but it seems like the F.O. is brain farting the placekicking game.
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Re: How comfortable are you with Kicker?

Postby NorthHawk » Wed Jul 05, 2017 11:48 am

Largent80 wrote:I'm sorry but it seems like the F.O. is brain farting the placekicking game.


Which is odd considering how much importance Pete seems to put on Special Teams.
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Re: How comfortable are you with Kicker?

Postby Zorn76 » Thu Jul 20, 2017 11:21 pm

Hated to see Housh go, but understood why.

Walsh...we'll see. He's no lock to be the kicker this season.
And anybody kicking for us might have a short leash, given what we saw last year.
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Re: How comfortable are you with Kicker?

Postby Largent80 » Tue Jul 25, 2017 10:55 am

Blair Walsh is going to cost us this year, that's my prediction. He is going to blow crucial kicks, and his kickoffs will be falling outside the goal line.

I'm not happy rolling with this dude.
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Re: How comfortable are you with Kicker?

Postby NorthHawk » Tue Jul 25, 2017 11:29 am

Houschka had 2 things going against him this year, namely last years performance and salary expectations.
Early in Walsh's career, his kickoffs were known to be deep, but he has been inconsistent the last 2 years hitting FG's.

Kickers, though are a difficult position to evaluate as they can change from year to year and sometimes just a change of scenery makes a big difference.
I hope we get the best from Walsh this year, but I'm like you in bracing for the worst.
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Re: How comfortable are you with Kicker?

Postby RiverDog » Tue Jul 25, 2017 2:22 pm

This is one of those things that we have to trust the coaches on. Walsh is costing us half of what it would have taken to re-sign Hauchka, and Walsh had some phenomenal seasons earlier in his career, once tying the record of the most 50+ FG's in a season.

But like others, I'm a little antsy. But compared to our offensive line woes, our uncertainty at the place kicker position is about a 3 on the scale compared to the OL's 9 or 10.
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Re: How comfortable are you with Kicker?

Postby c_hawkbob » Tue Jul 25, 2017 2:39 pm

RiverDog wrote:This is one of those things that we have to trust the coaches on. Walsh is costing us half of what it would have taken to re-sign Hauchka, and Walsh had some phenomenal seasons earlier in his career, once tying the record of the most 50+ FG's in a season.

But like others, I'm a little antsy. But compared to our offensive line woes, our uncertainty at the place kicker position is about a 3 on the scale compared to the OL's 9 or 10.


This is year 4 of the 5 year rule, I trust the coaches completely.
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Re: How comfortable are you with Kicker?

Postby obiken » Tue Jul 25, 2017 8:37 pm

I am totally ok with this move. All we needed was 3 points against AZ and we would have been home, I think.
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Re: How comfortable are you with Kicker?

Postby Seahawks4Ever » Tue Jul 25, 2017 10:22 pm

SH has only had one so-so season, last season. He didn't live up to the expectations we had all learn to expect from him. I think it was a combination of factors as these things usually are. One theory, and a good one, is that SH really missed Gresham. One theory is that poor blocking got in to his head, possible. My theory is that one factor was the moving back of the PAT. Maybe Steve inadvertently developed the bad habit of a low trajectory trying to compensate for the longer PATs? More likely is that SH strained himself and was playing through it. Trying to keep his job may have cost him his job. Was it a factor? Who knows? But I have to believe that if the FO thought it was fixable they would have kept him. Kickers are funny, even the best seem to just develop a dead leg seemingly over night.

But, unless I see some real improvement this season in the defense, the O-line, the running game, etc... I am not "all in" with PC and his staff.
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Re: How comfortable are you with Kicker?

Postby Largent80 » Wed Jul 26, 2017 3:22 pm

Walsh stinks and this is going to bite us. Man, I wish we would have kept Housh
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Re: How comfortable are you with Kicker?

Postby Seahawks4Ever » Fri Jul 28, 2017 7:24 am

Me too. I fear this yet another myopic player move that make little sense.

In another area, Max Unger is starting TC for the Saints with an injured foot, PC is rumored to be trying to convince anyone who will listen that this development "proves" he was correct in trading away Unger for Jimmy G....

Oh, and this just in, Pete says that if the O-Line isn't better this season that it isn't HIS "fault".
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Re: How comfortable are you with Kicker?

Postby Largent80 » Mon Jul 31, 2017 8:14 am

• Blair watch. I wrote last month and repeated on 710 ESPN Seattle last week that kicker is the Seahawks’ biggest roster concern, in my view. That was my belief after watching Blair Walsh struggle with his accuracy during organized team activities and minicamp. Walsh missed wide on two of the four kicks he attempted in the team portion of practice on Sunday (I couldn’t tell the exact distances but the kicks appeared to be between 30 and 45 yards). As previously mentioned, context is key here. It’s one thing for a kicker with a consistent track record to miss a few kicks in practice. But when it’s a trend, and when it involves a kicker with a shaky history like Walsh, then it’s more troubling.

http://sports.mynorthwest.com/317622/no ... ning-camp/

Jeezus, this guy is going to lose us games.
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Re: How comfortable are you with Kicker?

Postby mykc14 » Thu Aug 03, 2017 6:20 pm

Largent80 wrote:• Blair watch. I wrote last month and repeated on 710 ESPN Seattle last week that kicker is the Seahawks’ biggest roster concern, in my view. That was my belief after watching Blair Walsh struggle with his accuracy during organized team activities and minicamp. Walsh missed wide on two of the four kicks he attempted in the team portion of practice on Sunday (I couldn’t tell the exact distances but the kicks appeared to be between 30 and 45 yards). As previously mentioned, context is key here. It’s one thing for a kicker with a consistent track record to miss a few kicks in practice. But when it’s a trend, and when it involves a kicker with a shaky history like Walsh, then it’s more troubling.

http://sports.mynorthwest.com/317622/no ... ning-camp/

Jeezus, this guy is going to lose us games.



It's only practice but early reports from camp are that he is making a good impression. Hopefully that continues to the actual games.
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