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Postby Largent80 » Mon Sep 11, 2017 3:32 pm

So, after that piece of...ummmm...Hank performance

What are your feelings on this Hawk O-Line?

I saw Britt give up the worst sack of all of them, so much for our "steady" center. It was a train wreck out there. Just when after a year of #30 ranked out of #32, we go #32.

Forget the super bowl with this kind of play. How do they fix this????
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Re: O-Line

Postby curmudgeon » Mon Sep 11, 2017 4:39 pm

Most people throw out the garbage when it stinks.......
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Re: O-Line

Postby Seahawks4Ever » Mon Sep 11, 2017 10:03 pm

I so much want to send ole butter fingers Graham back to NO for Unger. We could use a pro-bowl center right now.
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Re: O-Line

Postby c_hawkbob » Tue Sep 12, 2017 3:28 am

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I just don't want Russ to wind up hurt all year again.
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Re: O-Line

Postby RiverDog » Tue Sep 12, 2017 5:11 am

Old but Slow wrote:Jumping off already? It was a poor performance and the blame can be widely spread around. I once missed a putt. Live with it. The Seahawks have a very good team. Will they always play well? Apparently not.

The O line is a work in progress (heres hoping), and there are elements that need refining, but we will get there. If we finish 9-7, I will apologize for my pollyanna opinion.


The problem for me is the way we lost. I expected us to do more than just kick FG's against the Packer's D. I get the feeling that I just got a visit from the ghost of Christmas Future.
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Re: O-Line

Postby NorthHawk » Tue Sep 12, 2017 7:44 am

The Packers apparently started real well on Defense last year, too so if this is a pattern, it might just be we saw the best of them on Sunday and offered our worst Offense as a challenge.
I, too was disappointed in how we played on Offense, but I think some of it can be fixed and some of it can be mitigated with more creative play calling.
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Re: O-Line

Postby Largent80 » Tue Sep 12, 2017 8:12 am

Left tackle Rees Odhiambo made his first career start at left tackle, with George Fant out for the year with his knee injury and surgery last month. On Seattle’s first offensive play of the season, Green Bay linebacker Nick Perry zoomed past him on a bee line for quarterback Russell Wilson as if Odhiambo still hasn’t made his first career start at left tackle.

On the second play, a wide-receiver screen for Doug Baldwin, tight end Jimmy Graham didn’t block his man in front of him and Baldwin lost 3 yards.

On the third play, Perry stormed in again on Wilson for a sack and loss of 6.

Three plays. Minus-9 yards.

I'm sorry but a good performance this Sunday against a rebuilding SF squad won't do much for my confidence. All games are tough but to win a championship the stuff in my first sentences can't happen. It doesn't matter what the venue is, because in the end, its still about blocking on a field, and they we're terrible at it.
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Re: O-Line

Postby Largent80 » Tue Sep 12, 2017 8:29 am

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Re: O-Line

Postby burrrton » Tue Sep 12, 2017 9:24 am

I read some stat yesterday that in RW's career, he's been pressured on something like 37% of his dropbacks, the worst in the NFL over that span (I think by far).

Sunday, it was 44%. And I don't think the Pack was supposed to exactly be the '85 Bears this year.

The only solace I take is they should improve like they did last year, only more quickly. Let's just hope it's before RW has to have knee reconstruction.
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Re: O-Line

Postby kalibane » Tue Sep 12, 2017 10:12 am

But wait I thought over the last three years all of us were over reacting to the offense line and ignoring the improvements.
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Re: O-Line

Postby Irish Greg 2.0 » Tue Sep 12, 2017 10:15 am

kalibane wrote:But wait I thought over the last three years all of us were over reacting to the offense line and ignoring the improvements.


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Re: O-Line

Postby RiverDog » Tue Sep 12, 2017 10:19 am

kalibane wrote:But wait I thought over the last three years all of us were over reacting to the offense line and ignoring the improvements.


No kidding. Where in the heck is Roach with his "vastly" improved offensive line? This is the same old chit we've seen for the past 3 seasons. Nothing ever changes. When in the hell is Pete going to wake up and shake up this offense by getting rid of Cable and/or Bevell?
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Re: O-Line

Postby obiken » Tue Sep 12, 2017 10:25 am

We are going to have a our franchise QB in Virginia Mason, with a torn ACL by Nov 1st, Period.
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Re: O-Line

Postby Anthony » Tue Sep 12, 2017 11:36 am

obiken wrote:We are going to have a our franchise QB in Virginia Mason, with a torn ACL by Nov 1st, Period.


YEah but that will be RWs fault. Sarcasm off.

Now reality, yeah we will because for whatever reason the FO does not want to protect him
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Re: O-Line

Postby Largent80 » Tue Sep 12, 2017 1:32 pm

After re-watching that turd of a game, all I can say is that it looked worse the 2nd time. Every single player was horrid, and I mean horrid as in remember 3 years ago when we were all thinking how bad it was and that next year it should be better and the next year came and it was actually worse?....To be fair by the END of the year they we're almost serviceable. So, this year comes around and conventional thinking is that after a years experience it simply WILL improve.....Hahahaha...HA

No, that was the absolute worst offensive line performance in all of my 60 years of watching football. If you don't believe me, grit your teeth and watch in horror.

Everyone was saying how bad the tackles were but good GAWD, Joekel and Glowinski we're simply abysmal. It was almost as if they hiked the ball and belly flopped. It was just dreadful, and I might add...Embarrasing.

It might help if we just no-huddle most of the game and forget running. Lacy looks like my dead grandmother out there, he stinks. Cut bait and bring up Davis before someone like Arizona snags him.
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Re: O-Line

Postby obiken » Tue Sep 12, 2017 2:00 pm

Now another issue has popped up Largy, Thomas complained about the Offense and Baldwin shot back that the defense is supposed to carry them because the are stacked with the most money! Its starting.
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Re: O-Line

Postby Anthony » Tue Sep 12, 2017 2:04 pm

obiken wrote:Now another issue has popped up Largy, Thomas complained about the Offense and Baldwin shot back that the defense is supposed to carry them because the are stacked with the most money! Its starting.


Link please?
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Re: O-Line

Postby MackStrongIsMyHero » Tue Sep 12, 2017 2:40 pm

http://radio.cbssports.com/2017/09/12/d ... t-offense/

I don't think he's being snide about it, but just stating facts. That's my only problem when any of the stars on defense complain about the offense. I'd like Earl Thomas, Richard Sherman, Kam Chancellor, Bobby Wagner, K.J. Wright, Cliff Avril, or Michael Bennett to imagine if it was only them self plus maybe one of the aforementioned players on defense and then the rest of the squad paid like the rest of the offense. I'm sure they'd still be good, but their career stats would have taken a hit.

Baldwin is not wrong, and he and Wilson are definitely guys that have come up in clutch times when the vaunted LOB was coming up short. I mean nobody sat there and blamed them when Austin Davis and the Rams passed the ball at will 2 years ago in St. Louis for an 80-yd drive that put them up 9 late in the fourth. That same year, no one on offense blamed them when they gave up a 10-point lead in the 4th quarter to the Patriots in the Superbowl. No one on offense blamed them for the absolute lack of pass rush against Falcons last year in the playoffs. Also didn't see the offense blaming the defense for letting Rogers catch them flat-footed yesterday with that hurry-up snap.

I've yet to see the offense complain about the failings of the defense when, given the money they make, they have much less room for error. Beside Wilson, Baldwin, and Graham, everyone else on the offense is not making any where near what the defense makes. Granted, this is a championship defense, and they deserve an offense that can move the ball, but, with the youth and turnover every year on offense, growing pains are to be expected. They need to chill the f*%# out.
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Re: O-Line

Postby RiverDog » Tue Sep 12, 2017 4:48 pm

MackStrongIsMyHero wrote:http://radio.cbssports.com/2017/09/12/doug-baldwin-earl-thomas-was-right-about-offense/

I don't think he's being snide about it, but just stating facts.


I didn't get the impression that the article portrayed locker room friction between the offense and defense, either, but as Obi suggested, it could sure get that way real soon if we're treated to the type of offensive performance we were last Sunday. Winning cures all evils, losing creates them.
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Re: O-Line

Postby c_hawkbob » Wed Sep 13, 2017 3:35 am

obiken wrote:Now another issue has popped up Largy, Thomas complained about the Offense and Baldwin shot back that the defense is supposed to carry them because the are stacked with the most money! Its starting.


Both statements are absolutely true.
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Re: O-Line

Postby Largent80 » Wed Sep 13, 2017 4:46 am

Everyone is tired of it. We're fans but most of us are more vested in the team than most of the players. If youve been here since day one you have spent thousands of hours and dollars on this team, for mostly the pleasure of raising your blood pressure and learning how to lose.

Now that we finally have a contending team, it's a shame to waste it.
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Re: O-Line

Postby RiverDog » Wed Sep 13, 2017 5:37 am

I don't think that we ended up this way by any particular design, it just evolved in that direction as a result of Pete's long suit being on the defensive side of the ball and his early teams during his tenure succeeding defensively. I think our brain trust would have liked for our team to be better balanced, but unlike college ball, they're limited by the draft, free agency, and a salary cap. It is what it is.

That's the reality that Baldwin was eluding to, and the expectations that are accorded with that reality. The defense has to carry this team.

The problem is that no matter how good your defense is, you aren't going to win very many games by scoring just 9 points.
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Re: O-Line

Postby Largent80 » Wed Sep 13, 2017 7:16 am

True, we are basically hosed. Wasting our best QB ever, and all the tools in the world to have a good offense, but just 5 turds lined up in a row are killing it.

Watch, they will dominate SF and then get destroyed by Tenn.
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Re: O-Line

Postby NorthHawk » Wed Sep 13, 2017 8:36 am

We are what, 2 years into our OL rebuild?
It was stated on Monday that the Vikings fielded 5 new OL this year than last - and Bradford was regularly getting 3 and 4 seconds to throw.
They had also never played together until Monday.
It can be fixed if they want to apply resources to it.
As it is, it seems they are reluctantly addressing it over time.

Maybe it will turn out to be our worst game of the season and improve substantially as the season progresses.
All we really have is hope.
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Re: O-Line

Postby Largent80 » Wed Sep 13, 2017 2:16 pm

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Re: O-Line

Postby NorthHawk » Wed Sep 13, 2017 2:29 pm



An optimistic view from OL Coach Mudd. I needed a bit of encouragement.
I hope the progression begins quickly instead of late so we don't lose more games we should win.
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Re: O-Line

Postby Anthony » Wed Sep 13, 2017 4:34 pm

these are the PFF oline player grades after week 1.



C - Justin Britt - Overall: 75.1 (Average) - Pass Block: 42.3 (Awful) - Run Block: 80.9 (Good)
RT - Germain Ifedi - Overall: 44.5 (Awful) - Pass Block: 48.2 (Awful) - Run Block: 37.9 (Awful)
LG - Luke Joeckel - Overall: 42.9 (Awful) - Pass Block: 39.8 (Awful) - Run Block: 45.6 (Awful)
RG - Mark Glowinski - Overall: 36.8 (Awful) - Pass Block: 36.3 (Awful) - Run Block: 38.0 (Awful)
LT - Rees Odhiambo - Overall: 26.3 (Awful) - Pass Block: 26.0 (Awful) - Run Block: 34.6 (Awful)
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Re: O-Line

Postby Largent80 » Wed Sep 13, 2017 4:53 pm

Who needs grades when our sight is functioning. I already said I rewatched the game and it was worse than live. I also said watch them improve dramatically this week and then go to Tennessee and revert to inept. Book it.
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Re: O-Line

Postby c_hawkbob » Wed Sep 13, 2017 5:00 pm

Anthony wrote:these are the PFF oline player grades after week 1.



C - Justin Britt - Overall: 75.1 (Average) - Pass Block: 42.3 (Awful) - Run Block: 80.9 (Good)
RT - Germain Ifedi - Overall: 44.5 (Awful) - Pass Block: 48.2 (Awful) - Run Block: 37.9 (Awful)
LG - Luke Joeckel - Overall: 42.9 (Awful) - Pass Block: 39.8 (Awful) - Run Block: 45.6 (Awful)
RG - Mark Glowinski - Overall: 36.8 (Awful) - Pass Block: 36.3 (Awful) - Run Block: 38.0 (Awful)
LT - Rees Odhiambo - Overall: 26.3 (Awful) - Pass Block: 26.0 (Awful) - Run Block: 34.6 (Awful)


You water down the veracity of the objective statistical evaluation with your purely subjective parenthetical analyses.
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Re: O-Line

Postby obiken » Wed Sep 13, 2017 8:47 pm

I dont think Britt was all that great. They all get F--
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Re: O-Line

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Re: O-Line

Postby Largent80 » Thu Sep 14, 2017 10:58 am

This O line practices against one of the best defenses in the league. Seriously, why can't they do it in a game?
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Re: O-Line

Postby NorthHawk » Thu Sep 14, 2017 11:10 am

Largent80 wrote:This O line practices against one of the best defenses in the league. Seriously, why can't they do it in a game?


The CBA limits the amount of contact and practice time unlike years ago so the intensity and reps aren't there very often.
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Re: O-Line

Postby Largent80 » Thu Sep 14, 2017 3:25 pm

No. Every day this line practices against our line. Its not like a game but they are getting throttled just like in real games.
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Re: O-Line

Postby NorthHawk » Thu Sep 14, 2017 3:58 pm

The CBA limits the number of practices you can use pads.
They aren't going to be out there butting heads without pads.

"Now teams are allowed 14 practices in pads each season, once a week through the first 11 weeks. The other three are parceled out over the final six weeks, preventing a coach from hording sessions for December."

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/201 ... ls-final-/
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Re: O-Line

Postby Largent80 » Thu Sep 14, 2017 4:52 pm

What difference do pads make dude?.

I played football all the way through college and I can say, it makes ZERO difference. If these clowns can't line up and kick the guys ass across from them then they are worthless.

That's what it boils down to. BLOCK the friggin guy in front of you. It's as simple as simple gets.

These stupid coaches like Bevell and Cable want them to be super human, and they aren't even average athletes.

That is what you see on Sundays.
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Re: O-Line

Postby NorthHawk » Fri Sep 15, 2017 8:19 am

The new CBA limits contact in practices. It's that simple and as we saw we lost a draft pick and Pete was fined $400,000 for violating the rules.
The next violation might be our 1st round pick and another fine.

Besides, they aren't going to put their DL on the field in practice and tell them to go 100% after playing 2/3 of the game on Sunday. It's too much of a risk on the Defensive side as it is on the Offensive side.
And the difference between 50 or 60% and 100% is huge, so the rules dictate that basic walkthroughs is the norm these days and there's nothing a coach can do about it.
So the best we can do is hope they start to get it right this week and progress through the season.
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Re: O-Line

Postby Largent80 » Fri Sep 15, 2017 8:34 am

Watch USC's line. Those guys are going to make good pro's, they get after people. I simply can't understand players having zero pride in their craft. It's like they are ok with sucking.

It's getting old for me, I'm actually tired of following this team in it's current state. Defense whining at the offense, vice-versa. The head coach stubbornly hanging onto coaches that have long worn out their welcome. Players that can't even execute the same plays we've had for 7 years !!!!!

It is simply pathetic.
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Re: O-Line

Postby NorthHawk » Fri Sep 15, 2017 9:53 am

It's getting a little tarnished for me at times, too, but a win streak will clean that up.
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Re: O-Line

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