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Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2018 7:19 amwill hawks improve running game ? thanks
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Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2018 7:58 amqmuddy2 wrote:will hawks improve running game ? thanks
That's the focus in the off season according to Pete, so with a new OC and OL coach, the OL should be better all around.
But they have to draft a stud RB to really make it work. Carson might end up being good, but he hasn't shown enough to
really say if he can be that guy, so I expect at least 1 RB being drafted and it should be near the 1st pick they make.
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Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2018 6:55 pmqmuddy2 wrote:will hawks improve running game ? thanks
The failure to do so is the main reason why Pete cleaned house of his assistants, so I sure hope it improves.
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Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2018 7:22 pmYeah, way too many moving pieces to even start making a prediction. I'd hope that Schott/Solari are better than Bevell/Cable, but adjusting to new schemes can have rough patches.
We should only count on two returning OL starters, at least in the same position (Brown and Britt).
Who the hell knows who will make the roster at RB.
Will the Hawks have a good blocking TE, which seems important for Schott?
All of this makes me not confident in making predictions based on personnel. I would, however, predict improvement based on the simple principle that it can hardly get worse and regression to the mean seems likely.
We should only count on two returning OL starters, at least in the same position (Brown and Britt).
Who the hell knows who will make the roster at RB.
Will the Hawks have a good blocking TE, which seems important for Schott?
All of this makes me not confident in making predictions based on personnel. I would, however, predict improvement based on the simple principle that it can hardly get worse and regression to the mean seems likely.
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Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2018 7:54 pmLooking at the roster, I believe only Carson and Procise are under contract for next year. Procise could be cut with minimal dead cap implications I think, I am far from an expert on this, but looks like only about $346,000 in dead cap money if cut? Davis and Rawls are RFA's. Rawls should not be tendered an offer, this guy has to go. Too bad, he does have talent, but way too injury prone and I could not stand him jumping up after every 3 yard run and getting in the face of someone. It finally bit him in the a** in that last game when he got 15 yards for taunting and put them out of field goal range. Davis I would like to see in camp.
J.D. McKissic is an Exclusive Right free agent, and have little doubt he will be brought back to camp to battle for a spot. He should be the guy to take over for Procise.....Lacy is a UFA and is as good as gone.
So right now, I believe Davis, Carson, and McKissic will be back, at least in camp. I think Davis and Carson will battle it out for just one of the spots, McKissic has the inside track for the 3rd down back, and the lead back role is wide open for business. Whether it be a free agent or a draft pick, someone needs to take the bull by the horns. Carson showed flashes of being that guy, but got injured so that will be a knock against him.
The one thing I liked about all these guys(along with the whole team) is they didn't fumble the ball away(except Wilson). Wilson fumbled the ball 14 times this year and only lost it 3 of those times. Rawls fumbled once and lost it, and McAvoy fumbled once and lost it. That was it. Only 5 fumbles lost on 18 that hit the ground (the other 2 were Britt and Wagner losing the ball after they recovered a fumble).
J.D. McKissic is an Exclusive Right free agent, and have little doubt he will be brought back to camp to battle for a spot. He should be the guy to take over for Procise.....Lacy is a UFA and is as good as gone.
So right now, I believe Davis, Carson, and McKissic will be back, at least in camp. I think Davis and Carson will battle it out for just one of the spots, McKissic has the inside track for the 3rd down back, and the lead back role is wide open for business. Whether it be a free agent or a draft pick, someone needs to take the bull by the horns. Carson showed flashes of being that guy, but got injured so that will be a knock against him.
The one thing I liked about all these guys(along with the whole team) is they didn't fumble the ball away(except Wilson). Wilson fumbled the ball 14 times this year and only lost it 3 of those times. Rawls fumbled once and lost it, and McAvoy fumbled once and lost it. That was it. Only 5 fumbles lost on 18 that hit the ground (the other 2 were Britt and Wagner losing the ball after they recovered a fumble).
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Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2018 1:16 amDraft pick or picks are the way to do it. So What do you think about the 1st round pick ?
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Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2018 7:54 amAgent 86 wrote:Looking at the roster, I believe only Carson and Procise are under contract for next year. Procise could be cut with minimal dead cap implications I think, I am far from an expert on this, but looks like only about $346,000 in dead cap money if cut? Davis and Rawls are RFA's. Rawls should not be tendered an offer, this guy has to go. Too bad, he does have talent, but way too injury prone and I could not stand him jumping up after every 3 yard run and getting in the face of someone. It finally bit him in the a** in that last game when he got 15 yards for taunting and put them out of field goal range. Davis I would like to see in camp.
J.D. McKissic is an Exclusive Right free agent, and have little doubt he will be brought back to camp to battle for a spot. He should be the guy to take over for Procise.....Lacy is a UFA and is as good as gone.
So right now, I believe Davis, Carson, and McKissic will be back, at least in camp. I think Davis and Carson will battle it out for just one of the spots, McKissic has the inside track for the 3rd down back, and the lead back role is wide open for business. Whether it be a free agent or a draft pick, someone needs to take the bull by the horns. Carson showed flashes of being that guy, but got injured so that will be a knock against him.
The one thing I liked about all these guys(along with the whole team) is they didn't fumble the ball away(except Wilson). Wilson fumbled the ball 14 times this year and only lost it 3 of those times. Rawls fumbled once and lost it, and McAvoy fumbled once and lost it. That was it. Only 5 fumbles lost on 18 that hit the ground (the other 2 were Britt and Wagner losing the ball after they recovered a fumble).
That's a good summation, 86. I, too, do not expect to see Rawls back in camp this season. He was a one hit wonder. Procise might not be back, either, due to his inability to stay on the field. But the fact that he can play like a wide receiver might earn him another chance, especially if Schott decides he wants to widen our passing game horizonatally with more running back screens.
I expect us to trade down into the 2nd round and pick up a RB with our first overall pick.
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Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2018 8:32 amIt wouldn't surprise me if JS traded down twice. Once into the mid to late 20's and again to either the bottom of the 1st or early 2nd.
There's just too much talent between 18 and 116 to miss out on to not do so.
There's just too much talent between 18 and 116 to miss out on to not do so.
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Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2018 9:09 amNorthHawk wrote:It wouldn't surprise me if JS traded down twice. Once into the mid to late 20's and again to either the bottom of the 1st or early 2nd.
There's just too much talent between 18 and 116 to miss out on to not do so.
I honestly didn't read this before posting in the draft thread, but this is exactly what I'm thinking.
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Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2018 10:46 amLamb-Blower2014 wrote:YES
Glad to be an ass.
Off to the basement I go....Hiiiiii-Deeee-Hoooooooooo
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Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2018 9:07 amI want a rb like Fournett in fact or the draft
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Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2018 9:39 amFournette was a pretty high draft pick and outside of Barkley I don't think anyone in this draft has his promise.
But there are some real good RBs to be had and maybe they select 2 fairly good ones.
I read a comparison of Rashaad Penny to Marshall Faulk outside of them both playing in the same college (San Diego St.) and if true, he could be someone they are targeting.
But there are some real good RBs to be had and maybe they select 2 fairly good ones.
I read a comparison of Rashaad Penny to Marshall Faulk outside of them both playing in the same college (San Diego St.) and if true, he could be someone they are targeting.
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Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2018 9:56 amSo what about Carson and Davis? Do either of them have the ability to be that RB that we've been looking for?
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Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2018 10:00 amCarson was a real surprise, but he doesn't yet have a body of work at the NFL level yet. He might be real good, but he might be a 4 game wonder.
The RB's early in the draft are all top players who did real well at that level and look to project as being good at the NFL level, too.
I've always said, though that the draft is about selecting potential as nothing is guaranteed.
The RB's early in the draft are all top players who did real well at that level and look to project as being good at the NFL level, too.
I've always said, though that the draft is about selecting potential as nothing is guaranteed.
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Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2018 11:23 amThe draft is more than "I like a certain player in the NFL and I want a guy like that on the Hawks". C'Mon man, it simply doesn't work that way. If that were the case every team in the league would all want an Earl Thomas.
There is ONE Earl Thomas, not a gazillion of them.
We need another decent back from this years draft and Rashaad Penney would be a perfect fit. So would Jones. I would be ecstatic with either of those guys. But REMEMBER.....Last year was also a good RB year and the Hawks waited to the 7th round to draft Carson.
Instead they drafted McDowell. UGH......Hindsight sucks sometimes but that was an ass pick. Maybe worst of all times in Hawk history.
There is ONE Earl Thomas, not a gazillion of them.
We need another decent back from this years draft and Rashaad Penney would be a perfect fit. So would Jones. I would be ecstatic with either of those guys. But REMEMBER.....Last year was also a good RB year and the Hawks waited to the 7th round to draft Carson.
Instead they drafted McDowell. UGH......Hindsight sucks sometimes but that was an ass pick. Maybe worst of all times in Hawk history.
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Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2018 12:23 pmThe bar for bad picks is pretty low IMO, but if he doesn't play this year it will rank with the lowest.
I've only seen highlights of Penny, but from the reports I've read, he might be the real deal.
He has the size JS and PC like and his production in College was pretty good.
We should be able to see him in the Senior Bowl this Saturday so maybe we will see what he's like against some of the better players.
I've only seen highlights of Penny, but from the reports I've read, he might be the real deal.
He has the size JS and PC like and his production in College was pretty good.
We should be able to see him in the Senior Bowl this Saturday so maybe we will see what he's like against some of the better players.
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Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2018 12:27 pmPenny is a "beast". And runs back kicks also.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98HqRF3INqY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3IEEFb7seo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJ7d3KG781s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98HqRF3INqY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3IEEFb7seo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJ7d3KG781s
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Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2018 12:51 pmLargent80 wrote:Penny is a "beast". And runs back kicks also.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98HqRF3INqY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3IEEFb7seo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJ7d3KG781s
He looks like he has good vision, speed, explosiveness, and some real good hands.
However highlight reels show only the best and I would like to see more of when he was challenged at or before the LoS which is what he will see if he plays for us.