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Re: Seahawks Draft

Postby mykc14 » Wed Mar 07, 2018 11:01 am

Having him play S is interesting. With his size/speed/LB background he would be a really interesting option at SS if Kam can't go. It will be interesting to see how limiting playing at the NFL level will be without 2 hands. Guys play with 'clubs' all the time, but it certainly is limiting at least to some extent. With 2 hands he is probably a first round guy. He is a very 'Seahawky' player (size, speed, athleticism) and a true competitor with a huge chip on his shoulder. I would love to get him, just have to cross our fingers that he makes it to round 4...
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Re: Seahawks Draft

Postby RiverDog » Wed Mar 07, 2018 11:24 am

My old man talked about a DL he played against in college that had a stump on one arm. He said that the guy would get under an opponent's shoulder pads with ease and crack him in the ribs with his stump. It kinda makes you wonder if there might be certain situations where a stump in lieu of a hand might actually be an advantage.

If we do draft him, we'd better prepare ourselves for the tasteless jokes that are as sure to come as death and taxes. Social media is already inundated with them.
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Re: Seahawks Draft

Postby Largent80 » Fri Mar 09, 2018 2:53 pm

It feels inevitable the Seahawks will trade down. The value in this draft will come in rounds 2-3. With no pick currently in either round, Seattle is highly likely to try and acquire some stock in that range. They could trade down into the late first or early second. What can they get in return? The only precedent we have is the 2013 trade between Dallas and San Francisco. The Niners moved from #31 to #18 and gave up a relatively early third round pick.

So if they only get a mid 2nd or early 3rd, (or package a couple of their 4 5th's for an additional 3rd) I think they need to get one of the good RB's in that territory. Jones II, Chubb, or Johnson. The Hawks have been trying to "get by" with late picks or UDFA and it's part of what hasn't worked. Getting a good RB is a must in my book. Of course Oline, Oline, Oline, but you can't have everything.

Now, if we make a player trade for picks that changes a few things. But F.A. is this next week and I don't see a splash there, but hey, these guys always do stuff nobody expects.
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Re: Seahawks Draft

Postby Largent80 » Fri Mar 16, 2018 5:25 pm

So far my last post has played out a week later. The Hawks signed a TE in F.A. They may pick up a WR, but I really don't see them adding anyone else. Suh would be great because honestly, the rotation on the D line right now is thin as in very, and the college prospects are not overwhelming.

Time to focus on the draft and the Earl situation. I would hate to lose him but if the Hawks can reap a good benefit in picks I would go for it. With 90 Million to spend next year and a bunch of picks we may just have to wait it out for the following year but who knows?
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Re: Seahawks Draft

Postby Largent80 » Fri Mar 16, 2018 5:32 pm

Hawks are in the plus column so far in comp picks as also a team just signed Tobin to a 1yr deal. This will give back a 4th so as is they have 2 fourths. Hopefully Willson signs with a team and that will gain an additional 4.
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Re: Seahawks Draft

Postby Largent80 » Tue Mar 27, 2018 10:06 am

With the Rams getting Suh, the Hawks need to draft OG, hell, even before them getting Suh they needed OG regardless of the Fluker signing.

Isiah Wynn please.
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Re: Seahawks Draft

Postby NorthHawk » Tue Mar 27, 2018 10:40 am

Largent80 wrote:Hawks are in the plus column so far in comp picks as also a team just signed Tobin to a 1yr deal. This will give back a 4th so as is they have 2 fourths. Hopefully Willson signs with a team and that will gain an additional 4.


I read a comment the other day saying we shouldn't expect any comps next year because of all of the FA's we signed this year.
I'm not sure of the formula, but it's worth looking into.
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Re: Seahawks Draft

Postby Largent80 » Tue Mar 27, 2018 10:49 am

I think after all the signings we are only a plus one. Kinda depends on if any of our FA get signed, and not seeing it.
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Re: Seahawks Draft

Postby c_hawkbob » Tue Mar 27, 2018 10:50 am

I give you about a 70% chance of being right.
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Re: Seahawks Draft

Postby Largent80 » Fri Apr 06, 2018 6:30 pm

Draft is a month away and the more I think about it the more I think the Hawks pick a QB later on especially if they trade back and get a couple 3rds.

RW will be entering the next year in a contract extension mode and looking at the last time this happened, it wasn't a smooth ride. Taking a flyer with a 3rd at QB isn't a bad idea at this point, if nothing else it may solve back up QB and cheaply for a few years.
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Re: Seahawks Draft

Postby obiken » Fri Apr 06, 2018 7:24 pm

We can speculate all day but in the end our speculation is about as good as used toilet paper.


CBbob, over the years the one big thing I have noticed about you and I, is we have an honest difference of opinion on trading down. Your for it and I am not. I just think that trying to expend and pick 2 good players per draft is what its all about. I am not saying the shot gun method is wrong, I just prefer a bolt action rifle!
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Re: Seahawks Draft

Postby Largent80 » Sat Apr 07, 2018 3:59 am

This years draft happens to be top heavy with Seattles needs and the meat and potatoes are in the 2nd and 3rd rounds where we currently do NOT have any picks.

If there ever was a year to trade back, then it is this year.

Also, the 5th round will be excellent for stocking depth on defense.
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Re: Seahawks Draft

Postby RiverDog » Sat Apr 07, 2018 4:43 am

I agree about trading down in the first, but we need a dance partner. But yea, especially with our propensity to trade down at the top of the draft, there's a big for sale sign on that #18 overall.

I don't see us taking a QB in this draft. We just have too many gaps to take a player that at best is a backup that won't see the field. But I do see us taking a PK in the 7th.

Rumor has it that New England wants a QB, but they no longer have a first round pick but they have 2 picks in the 2nd, #43 and #63.
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Re: Seahawks Draft

Postby c_hawkbob » Sat Apr 07, 2018 7:19 am

We can speculate all day but in the end our speculation is about as good as used toilet paper.

obiken wrote:CBbob, over the years the one big thing I have noticed about you and I, is we have an honest difference of opinion on trading down. Your for it and I am not. I just think that trying to expend and pick 2 good players per draft is what its all about. I am not saying the shot gun method is wrong, I just prefer a bolt action rifle!


Not sure who you're quoting OBI, I didn't say that ...

For what it's worth though, I like targeting specific draft choices as well. But more is gooder.
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Re: Seahawks Draft

Postby RiverDog » Sat Apr 07, 2018 7:33 am

c_hawkbob wrote:But more is gooder.


Has it been awhile since you've played Scrabble? :D
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Re: Seahawks Draft

Postby c_hawkbob » Sat Apr 07, 2018 8:47 am

A very long while.
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Re: Seahawks Draft

Postby Largent80 » Sun Apr 08, 2018 1:05 pm

The Seahawks attended both pro days of Darnold and Allen. 2 QBs they have no chance of getting or really want. That is a clear message about the future. RW is 29 and hedging about the future makes sense right now.

Kirk friggin Cousins has a fully guaranteed contract for 84 million. What do you expect Wilson to ask for?

I'm calling it now. The Hawks will draft a QB.
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Re: Seahawks Draft

Postby mykc14 » Sun Apr 08, 2018 1:44 pm

Largent80 wrote:The Seahawks attended both pro days of Darnold and Allen. 2 QBs they have no chance of getting or really want. That is a clear message about the future. RW is 29 and hedging about the future makes sense right now.

Kirk friggin Cousins has a fully guaranteed contract for 84 million. What do you expect Wilson to ask for?

I'm calling it now. The Hawks will draft a QB.


I don’t get what this is a clear message of. If they are 2 QBs they have no chance of getting or don’t really want what is the message? If PC and JS were attending pro days of QBs they could get and really wanted that might be a message of some sort, but probably not. The fact is the Seahawks have representatives at every major pro day. If you look back throughout the years you would read the Hawks have been at most QBs pro days. Also, it might not be the QB they are there to look at. For example at USCs pro day they very well may be looking at Jones or another prospect and not Darnold so much.

What is so prophetic about saying they will draft a QB? They currently have 1 on the roster so there is a decent chance they will draft one. If you are saying they are going to draft one early (rounds 1 or 2) that would be quite the claim. I am calling it now the Hawks won’t draft a QB in the first 4 rounds.

There is no message being sent!!
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Re: Seahawks Draft

Postby Largent80 » Sun Apr 08, 2018 1:54 pm

I already said it wouldn't be early as if they don't do a player trade then it depends who is in the board at 18.

I'm saying they draft one from my prior post that you need to read. I didn't say when.

Every year people try to predict what they will do and every year people are wrong.
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Re: Seahawks Draft

Postby mykc14 » Sun Apr 08, 2018 2:52 pm

Largent80 wrote:I already said it wouldn't be early as if they don't do a player trade then it depends who is in the board at 18.

I'm saying they draft one from my prior post that you need to read. I didn't say when.

Every year people try to predict what they will do and every year people are wrong.


I read your post. You didn’t say it wouldn’t be early (maybe you should re-read your own post). I said saying they will draft a QB isn’t much of a prediction as they only have 1 on the roster. Saying they would draft 1 early (ROUNDS 1 or 2) would be quite the prediction.

Furthermore I’m still not seeing the ‘message’ they are sending by having representatives at Darnolds and Allen’s pro days. Do you mind explaining that? They have representatives at every major pro day so it doesn’t seem like they are sending any messages, unless I am missing something you are trying to point out.
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Re: Seahawks Draft

Postby Largent80 » Sun Apr 08, 2018 4:48 pm

So what?

When John Schneider himself goes to Wyoming to personally see and speak to a quarterback before the draft it means something. Even Russell Wilson's camp inquired about it.

The Seahawks will draft a QB is what I said.
So what?
Don't take it personally. Jeezus.
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Re: Seahawks Draft

Postby NorthHawk » Sun Apr 08, 2018 5:11 pm

I've read in this forum and other places that JS looking at Josh Allen means they are considering trying to get him or send some type of message.

It may be as simple as him showing up and sowing some seeds with other personnel men for trading down into the 2nd round.
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Re: Seahawks Draft

Postby mykc14 » Sun Apr 08, 2018 5:42 pm

Largent80 wrote:So what?

When John Schneider himself goes to Wyoming to personally see and speak to a quarterback before the draft it means something. Even Russell Wilson's camp inquired about it.

The Seahawks will draft a QB is what I said.
So what?
Don't take it personally. Jeezus.


Lol! I’m not taking anything personally. This was a basic discourse via an Internet forum. All I was doing was trying to get your persepective on why it meant something. When you first said the Seahawks were at his pro day that’s not a big deal, but now adding that JS was there and RW’s camp inquired about it makes it much more interesting. I even said in my first post that if it were PC or JS attending the pro day it could be a much bigger deal. By adding the piece about it being JS at the pro day and the part about RW’s camp I can see what you were saying. Do you see how that worked? I asked questions you gave answers, nothing personal.

Another point I made was that you made it seem like a big deal that you were ‘calling it now, the Hawks are drafting a QB.’ I gave my opinion that I didn’t think that was a very big prediction given the fact that they only have 1 QB on the roster. I was trying to inquire if you felt they were not just going to draft a QB, but draft one early (first few tounds). I was just interested in your opinion. If you felt they were going to draft one early then I thought that would be s big prediction and a big deal. Again, pretty normal Internet discourse without anything taken personally... lol...
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Re: Seahawks Draft

Postby Largent80 » Mon Apr 09, 2018 4:54 am

I also think TE is a draft pick for Seattle. Vannett is the only holdover and he hasn't had much of a chance. Dickson was signed for a year. This draft has a nice group of "Y" TE that the Seahawks desperately need.
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Re: Seahawks Draft

Postby RiverDog » Mon Apr 09, 2018 6:17 am

Largent80 wrote:I also think TE is a draft pick for Seattle. Vannett is the only holdover and he hasn't had much of a chance. Dickson was signed for a year. This draft has a nice group of "Y" TE that the Seahawks desperately need.


Agreed. Hopefully there's another Zach Miller minus the injuries out there.
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Re: Seahawks Draft

Postby Largent80 » Mon Apr 09, 2018 9:15 am

Durham Smythe (TE, Notre Dame)
Notre Dame traditionally does a good job developing TE’s and require their guys to do some blocking. Seattle might draft a TE at some point and whoever it is will need to block. Mike Gesicki (Penn State), Tyler Conklin (Central Michigan) and Troy Fumagalli (Wisconsin) are all guys to be had later on in the draft and they can BLOCK and also catch..
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Re: Seahawks Draft

Postby Largent80 » Mon Apr 09, 2018 9:17 am

Here's another one unearthed by Rob Staton.

http://seahawksdraftblog.com/ian-thomas ... e-seahawks
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Re: Seahawks Draft

Postby Largent80 » Mon Apr 09, 2018 10:40 am

[quote="mykc14"
Lol! I’m not taking anything personally. This was a basic discourse via an Internet forum. All I was doing was trying to get your persepective on why it meant something. When you first said the Seahawks were at his pro day that’s not a big deal, but now adding that JS was there and RW’s camp inquired about it makes it much more interesting. I even said in my first post that if it were PC or JS attending the pro day it could be a much bigger deal. By adding the piece about it being JS at the pro day and the part about RW’s camp I can see what you were saying. Do you see how that worked? I asked questions you gave answers, nothing personal.

Another point I made was that you made it seem like a big deal that you were ‘calling it now, the Hawks are drafting a QB.’ I gave my opinion that I didn’t think that was a very big prediction given the fact that they only have 1 QB on the roster. I was trying to inquire if you felt they were not just going to draft a QB, but draft one early (first few tounds). I was just interested in your opinion. If you felt they were going to draft one early then I thought that would be s big prediction and a big deal. Again, pretty normal Internet discourse without anything taken personally... lol...[/quote]

- it's called Due Diligence. Do we not know John Schneider or something? He said who he was from his very first press conference ever ... and he's never waivered [I'm paraphrasing here], "We're going to be everywhere and in on everything." That's never ever changed. John Schneider and the Seahawks have not only scouted Allen ... they've scouted each and every single one of the 300+ (or so) prospects that are in this draft class. All of the QB's ... all of the DB's ... all of the RB's ... all of the OL ... etc. It just floors me how people somehow think this is so unusual. It's not unusual whatsoever. They've scouted everyone, be they Draft Prospect or Free Agent. This is just business as usual IMO -- same as it's always been.

And it sent a message to RW, you need to keep competing for your job besides a money motivator It's just that JS went to Wyoming during the busiest time of the year is what is striking. There are such things as smokescreens too and this may be a donnybrook of all of them but the fact that it happened is of note.

RW still has 2 years, but the next offseason is critical and that makes this next year even more critical especially with the 2 year Boykin experiment a failure..
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Re: Seahawks Draft

Postby Largent80 » Tue Apr 10, 2018 7:05 am

As we get closer to the draft every team in the league knows Seattle's lack of picks, so the ones that want to get ET are treading water hoping the price will go down. Right now the only comparison for trading down from #18 is a 3rd rounder. If the Hawks are eyeballing RB by round 3 all the ones that fit Seattle will be long gone.

They may have to get very creative to get into the 2nd where they could get one of those guys (if they even want one). Either that or lower their asking price for ET to a 2nd and 3rd.
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