HumanCockroach wrote:So yeah, you could have skipped everything else, and just come clean to begin with here. You got issues with guys holding out, all that other make believe garbage about buying in, wear and tear etc could have been avoided ( 90% of the entire conversation) you got issues with holdouts, fine, some believe players shouldn't look out for their best interests , it's unrealistic as it's common in the NFL but at least it would have been the truth.
idhawkman wrote:No, they are not relevant because their contracts are not in dispute at this time. When they become disputed by either expiration or by hold out then they will be comparable as to what the trade off are for their salary.
c_hawkbob wrote:So you decided the thread was only about players holding out and that's supposed to apply to us all?
idhawkman wrote:C'mon Bob, you're better than that. You know it is about Earl and Earl is the only one holding out at this time. He's the one that brought others into it saying we could save more money by ditching RW, or Bwags, etc. not me. I did point out that other players signing their third contracts didn't work out too good for us but again, that is relevent since this will be Earl's third contract.
I'm sure you may not have read the whole thread since it is so long but it is how it unfolded and why the RW, Bwags, etc arguments were strawmen since their contracts are not up for renewal at this time in a thread about Earl.
c_hawkbob wrote:
Oh fer chrissakes stop with the "you're better than that" sh!t. The discussion is about Earl Thomas. Not just the fact that he's holding out, but his value to the team, his critical role in our defense and even his place in Seahawks history. You can't just unilaterally decide that everybody that says anything about him that doesn't refer strictly to his holdout is out of bounds. Even if we're only discussing should we or should we not extend his contract, his value relative to other Seahawks defenders, whether they are holding out or have ever held out or not, is still a valid discussion point.
Narrow your focus all you want (it's not necessarily a bad thing), just don't scold others for not doing the same.
Narrow your focus all you want (it's not necessarily a bad thing), just don't scold others for not doing the same.
HumanCockroach wrote:The idea that a business man should be tied to a group of fans always confused me. Why in the world would he want to stay somewhere that doesn't seem particularly interested in having him? I sure the hell wouldn't. Fans or no fans. How long do you think it will take the HOF safety to get an extension somewhere else? A day? Maybe two?
idhawkman wrote:Currently the Seahawks hold all the cards but one. We could keep him for 2 more years by not extending him and then Franchising him. If he doesn't play then we save the money he forfeits.
But the card that Earl holds is that if he plays, his heart may not be in it. With Thomas, he has to have his heart into the game to be at his most effective.
RiverDog wrote:
Technically, of course the Seahawks hold the cards. But I doubt that we'd try to strong arm him and force him to play out his contract, especially now that he's openly expressed his desire to be traded if a new deal isn't struck.
Hopefully the Hawks do something, either resign him or trade him, before training camp.
idhawkman wrote:As I think about it, its a real tough spot to be in for the Seahawks. I know they don't want to create a precedent of letting players go that ask to be traded and they want to hold them to their contracts but if the players heart isn't in it... Not good any way it goes.
I hope they solve it before the season starts and there's only 8 days to start of camp...
RiverDog wrote:Wow, only 8 days until camp. Where has the summer gone? I guess getting it resolved before then is unrealistic.
RiverDog wrote:. Where has the summer gone?
RiverDog wrote:We've had triple digit temperatures in my neck of the woods 3-4 times a week since the 4th, the difference being that our relative humidity is only about 10-15%
idhawkman wrote:I remember summers like this in high school (mid to late 70's). Working in the hay fields from sun up to sun down. I was golden brown those summers and had a tan that was so nice. Weekends I'd be up at the lake waterskiing. Its been a while since I've seen this type of summer.
I remember when I was in Kiev, the Ukrainians used to say that their winters were much more mild after Chernobyl melted down. I wonder if that, three mile island and others had any impact on the weather. Maybe it is getting back to normal now. But who knows?
c_hawkbob wrote:It's still posturing on both sides. It's Earls contract year and he'll be turning 30, holding out well into the season would potentially seriously hurt his bargaining position with other teams after the season. Seattle wants to stick by their oft stated position of not negotiating until the player reports to camp and doesn't believe the holdout will last into the season. Meanwhile other teams are willing to wait to see how things unfold here before committing to a trade and big commitment to Earl.
Stay tuned.
idhawkman wrote:I seem to remember Kam had more than one year left on his contract also. The team has negotiated with players on their last year - usually by doing an extension to the year they have left. I don't see this ending anytime soon though. It will probably be somewhere after the first few games when we find out if we can still win without him or not. The leverage will go to Earl if we can't, but if we can, the leverage goes to the team.
Edited: I really hate hold outs in the first year of a new coordinator.
HumanCockroach wrote:Thomas in his last year, Kam wasn't, there's no "hardline" comparable between the two and likely the reason Thomas has refused to attend otas. Lynch the only player who successfully got extended with 2 yrs left on his contract.
HumanCockroach wrote:Thomas in his last year, Kam wasn't, there's no "hardline" comparable between the two and likely the reason Thomas has refused to attend otas. Lynch the only player who successfully got extended with 2 yrs left on his contract.
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