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Wilson?!?

Postby Old but Slow » Mon Feb 12, 2018 11:16 pm

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Postby Aseahawkfan » Tue Feb 13, 2018 4:32 am

So this guy is basically writing a clickbait article questioning whether the Seahawks should throw away their competitiveness because of how easy it is to find QBs in the draft.
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Postby RiverDog » Tue Feb 13, 2018 4:50 am

Yea, slow news day. Outside of the Olympics, there's nothing at all going on in the sporting world, so why not write a provocative article and pick up a few readers?

I was a little surprised to hear that Pete was upset with Russell's play during the last game vs. the Cards. Anyone have any insights as to what the issue(s) might have been?
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Postby Uppercut » Tue Feb 13, 2018 8:00 am

Yep time for the second coming of Charlie Whitehurst
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Postby NorthHawk » Tue Feb 13, 2018 8:07 am

Pete can only blame himself for letting the OL degrade to the point that Wilson had to be both RB and QB.
That being said, as an exercise, if they are considering trading him, they might get a high 1st, 2nd, and 3rd. With that haul, they would still require a very mobile QB perhaps like Lamar Jackson or maybe even Baker Mayfield.
I don't know if either will reach the point of play that Wilson has, but there aren't many QBs that could survive behind our OL of the last few years.
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Postby Seahawks4Ever » Tue Feb 13, 2018 9:14 am

One thing I noticed was that RW has definitely lost a step when he is scrambling around. He is getting caught from behind in situations that he used to accelerate out of. Wilson has also had "holes" that only someone with his speed could take advantage of before they closed now sees these same "holes" close up on him stopping him for either a short gain or even a yardage loss. Before he had that season of playing hurt he used to be able to take advantage of situations that he can no longer take advantage of. Combine that with an inexperienced leaky O-Line and anyone can see and understand why our offense has been so ineffective the past 3 seasons.
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Postby Seahawks4Ever » Tue Feb 13, 2018 9:15 am

One thing I noticed was that RW has definitely lost a step when he is scrambling around. He is getting caught from behind in situations that he used to accelerate out of. Wilson has also had "holes" that only someone with his speed could take advantage of before they closed now sees these same "holes" close up on him stopping him for either a short gain or even a yardage loss. Before he had that season of playing hurt he used to be able to take advantage of situations that he can no longer take advantage of. Combine that with an inexperienced leaky O-Line and anyone can see and understand why our offense has been so ineffective the past 3 seasons.
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Postby c_hawkbob » Tue Feb 13, 2018 10:25 am

I don't think he's lost a step, I think he's consciously trying to be more of a pocket passer and trying to control his impulse to start scrambling int he first place.

No way we trade him but if we did it would be at least two firsts.
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Postby Largent80 » Tue Feb 13, 2018 12:28 pm

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Postby Aseahawkfan » Tue Feb 13, 2018 12:51 pm

I wonder how many teams have traded their franchise QB without a proven replacement and improved? That would be interesting to hear. Off the top of my head I can't think of any.
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Postby Largent80 » Tue Feb 13, 2018 12:56 pm

The Oompa Loompas of the Blue league did it and he was also too short.
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Postby HumanCockroach » Tue Feb 13, 2018 6:58 pm

Of COURSE you trade him! He's on the down hill side of his career, there's really no argument to be made.... lmfao. .
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Postby HumanCockroach » Tue Feb 13, 2018 7:07 pm

I think he's lost a step, straight line at least, even he admitted it coming in to the season, scrambling wise, I don't feel that's the case. He's as agile and nimble as he's always been, just don't think defenses bite as often on his spins and moves.....

3 yrs ago, he ran away from everyone when he escaped, now it's less escapes, and slight lack of speed limiting the damage done is all. It's to be expected as players age.
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Postby RiverDog » Wed Feb 14, 2018 6:45 am

Aseahawkfan wrote:I wonder how many teams have traded their franchise QB without a proven replacement and improved? That would be interesting to hear. Off the top of my head I can't think of any.


Not many. Both the Packers and 49'ers let theirs (Favre and Montana) walk and got better but both those guys were at the end of their careers as both were in their mid 30's and their teams had backups ready to go (Rodgers and Young).

Kansas City just traded their franchise QB, if you can call him a "franchise" QB, and are going with an unproven backup.

The Wilson trade talk is just silly. It's not going to happen, at least not in the near future unless Russell suddenly wants out or there's a regime change at the top.
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Postby Largent80 » Wed Feb 14, 2018 8:08 am

I wouldn't call playing with a high ankle sprain and a strained MCL "losing a step"..

He gutted those injuries out, and in fact put on extra muscle for that season expecting to get pummelled again which he did.

He hasn't lost a step, absurd.
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Postby RiverDog » Wed Feb 14, 2018 8:39 am

Largent80 wrote:I wouldn't call playing with a high ankle sprain and a strained MCL "losing a step"..

He gutted those injuries out, and in fact put on extra muscle for that season expecting to get pummelled again which he did.

He hasn't lost a step, absurd.


I don't know of many 29 year olds that don't lose a step, injuries or no injuries. It's one of the reasons why they talk about the wall that many if not most running backs hit when they turn 30.

That said, Russell is undeniably extremely effective at both running the ball and at eluding pass rushers, so any debate about his losing a step is a moot point. And as Cbob said, he's been trying to develop his game into more of a pocket passing one...if we'd ever give him a pocket to work from. As his career progresses, he's going to have to become less reliant on his legs, a fact that he undoubtedly recognizes.
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Postby Largent80 » Wed Feb 14, 2018 10:59 am

I bought a step back at the I lost a step.com store.

RW doesn't need to because he hasn't, there is no debate.
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Postby Seahawkgal » Thu Feb 15, 2018 1:16 pm

Comical. :lol:
Anyways...on a serious note, I finally saw his new daughter. She looks exactly like him. Hopefully she turns out just as athletic and can hoop like her auntie in the future.
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Postby HumanCockroach » Thu Feb 15, 2018 5:33 pm

Wow, talk about a show recovery time, 2 full seasons later and still fighting that ankle sprain? Lmfao.
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Postby HumanCockroach » Thu Feb 15, 2018 5:36 pm

Largent80 wrote:I bought a step back at the I lost a step.com store.

RW doesn't need to because he hasn't, there is no debate.


You keep using that word, I did not think it means what you think it means. :lol: :lol:
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Postby idhawkman » Mon Feb 19, 2018 4:25 pm

HumanCockroach wrote:I think he's lost a step, straight line at least, even he admitted it coming in to the season, scrambling wise, I don't feel that's the case. He's as agile and nimble as he's always been, just don't think defenses bite as often on his spins and moves.....

3 yrs ago, he ran away from everyone when he escaped, now it's less escapes, and slight lack of speed limiting the damage done is all. It's to be expected as players age.

Bulking up the way he did in order to take the hits he does was bound to make him lose a step. How many body builders do you know can sprint like a thin man? The loss of speed is gradual as the bulk goes on and he has slightly slowed due to both age and I think, bulking up.
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Postby mykc14 » Mon Feb 19, 2018 7:51 pm

idhawkman wrote:Bulking up the way he did in order to take the hits he does was bound to make him lose a step. How many body builders do you know can sprint like a thin man? The loss of speed is gradual as the bulk goes on and he has slightly slowed due to both age and I think, bulking up.


Actually RW lost weight going into last season, but gained muscle. He was much leaner. He went from 225-230 and 16% body fat two years ago to 214-215 and 10% body fat before this season. He also felt that he was faster going into this season.
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Postby Old but Slow » Mon Feb 19, 2018 11:27 pm

He definitely was lighter last season, I just saw a stock photo of him, and immediately was struck by how heavy he looked, and right behind him was Ricardo Lockette. So, the shot was from 2016 or so, and not from last season. He seems in great shape now, but I would like to see him get some coaching about his evasion techniques. Effective often, but too often disastrous. Standard left tackle intent is to defend the outside rush by pushing the rusher upfield and out of the play. Brown does that well. Only to find that Russell has chosen to go there. Sack. And Brown is to blame?

Both are vets, and they will communicate better and adjust, but it is still a problem with the way our QB plays. One of my hopes is that the changes in the coaching staff will have some answers. It is frustrating to me that while we have been despairing our lack of pass protection, that we get a good LT, and then we fail to use him well.

I confess that I have never been a fan of Tom Cable, mostly because of personal issues, but it could be a great example of addition by subtraction to see him gone. We have some good players on our line, but they may not have been dealt with as they should.

A side issue is our imbalance between defense and offense. I could dig for a link is needed, but the figures I saw indicated that we were the most imbalanced team in the league, paying $90+ mill to the defense and about $60 mill to the offense. Fortunately, Russell is under contract for now. But, it seems logical that the balance will shift a bit soon. Not sure how that all relates, but I am just musing about our fortunes.
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