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This Sunday, and I dont say this often, is a must win for the Hawks. IF we lose, and I just dont see how we dont, our season is done. Only 5 teams have gone 0-3 and made the Playoffs since 1980. 2.9%. I am so pissed right now I cant see straight, but I will wait till after Sunday to really flip out. We reaping the "rewards" of not moving up, instead of moving out of the first round, to draft quality NFL lineman; this line is warmed over garbage, period.

It’s still early, but looking at what’s ahead this could be a two win season for Seattle.....and I shudder to think what Schneider and his clowns will do with a top 3 draft pick.....

curmudgeon wrote:It’s still early, but looking at what’s ahead this could be a two win season for Seattle.....and I shudder to think what Schneider and his clowns will do with a top 3 draft pick.....

Trade down for more picks.

If they play like they have the first two weeks ( sloppy tackling, refusal to give a RB more than 7 carries despite averaging around 5 yards a carry, so you can continue to feed your chosen rookie, holding the ball to long, prior to exercising your signature reverse spin with your back to defenders to run into sacks, continuing to throw the ball, 6 to 9 plays in a row and only 25+ yards downfield etc)

Seattle will be butchered, and butchered badly... Dallas isn't a SB team by any stretch, but they ARE better (vastly) than the lassy two opponents, this could be one of the blowouts I earned of....

obiken wrote:This Sunday, and I dont say this often, is a must win for the Hawks. IF we lose, and I just dont see how we dont, our season is done. Only 5 teams have gone 0-3 and made the Playoffs since 1980. 2.9%. I am so pissed right now I cant see straight, but I will wait till after Sunday to really flip out. We reaping the "rewards" of not moving up, instead of moving out of the first round, to draft quality NFL lineman; this line is warmed over garbage, period.

Obi, you can't use data from all the way back in 1980. The playoffs have expanded and there was just 28 teams in the '80's vs. today's 32, so you're comparing apples with oranges. You need to start your data point in 2002, which is the first year of the 32-team league and a playoff format that hasn't changed since then.

But your point is valid. Not very many teams advance to the playoffs after losing their first 3. It isn't so much the mathematical odds of making the playoffs as much as it is that if you lose 3 straight games and have no victories, it's a pretty strong indication that your team isn't very good.

Not that there's any relevance to it, but going back to Week 14 of last season, we are 1-6, and if you want to toss in the 4 preseason games, we're 1-10. Just something to think about.

Yea, it's a must win game if we want to compete for a championship, but it's also a rebuild year so I didn't expect much coming in.
My main goal for the year was to see if there was any improvement on the Offensive side. I suspected Pete would give us a decent Defense and hoped the Offense
would contribute more to make up for the loss of talent on the other side.
Still waiting...

We had Von Miller in the first week, then Mack in week 2. This week doesn't get much easier with Demarcus Lawrence. Something to think about.

idhawkman wrote:We had Von Miller in the first week, then Mack in week 2. This week doesn't get much easier with Demarcus Lawrence. Something to think about.

Yeah, on the road against premier pass rushers you have to run the ball, especially when your RT is Germain Ifedi and you have a back averaging 5.8 ypc. Only giving him 7 and 6 in those games is something to think about.

NorthHawk wrote:Yea, it's a must win game if we want to compete for a championship, but it's also a rebuild year so I didn't expect much coming in.
My main goal for the year was to see if there was any improvement on the Offensive side. I suspected Pete would give us a decent Defense and hoped the Offense
would contribute more to make up for the loss of talent on the other side.
Still waiting...

Some of us have harbored playoff expecations out of this team, so Obi's point is well taken. But I'm like you. I predicted 7-9 and no playoffs, so the 0-2 start isn't an Earth shaking event for me.

Our problems on defense come as no surprise, especially this past game with as many injuries as we had. It's the ineptness of the offense that has taken me aback. Perhaps it's just a learning curve of the players learning the new offense and the OC getting used to the talent he has, but whatever it is, they need to get it straightend out soon if they want to avoid a real train wreck of a season.

The positive is it was fairly apparent coming into the year, even during the off season, so while it pisses me off when the look like the NFL version of the bad news Browns, I can wash it within minutes of the final whistle...

If they somehow pull off a 180° turn, I'll be able to enjoy it fully, while not ever being upset with top 10 draft pick results.

It's sort of a win/ win.

HumanCockroach wrote:The positive is it was fairly apparent coming into the year, even during the off season, so while it pisses me off when the look like the NFL version of the bad news Browns, I can wahhhhhh it within minutes of the final whistle...

If they somehow pull off a 180° turn, I'll be able to enjoy it fully, while not ever being upset with top 10 draft pick results.

It's sort of a win/ win.

It's called lowering your expecations, a process that I've employed for the past 20 years and has caused some idiots that can't grasp that concept to question whether or not I'm a Seahawk fan.

When I'm in Vegas, I'll often times bet against us to win, then it really is a win-win, as if we win, losing the bet is not going to hurt as much as losing some random wager, and if we lose, I'm overjoyed that I won some beer money.

My expectations haven't changed, I still expect a championship caliber football team to be put on the field every season. I'm just realistic about whether they are or aren't. My evaluation of the product isn't as harsh, as the performance is expected. Where as previously, poor play "costs" us something important, this costs nothing, because they aren't going anywhere, and even IF they luck into some post season ala 7-9, they going nowhere.

RiverDog wrote:It's the ineptness of the offense that has taken me aback. Perhaps it's just a learning curve of the players learning the new offense and the OC getting used to the talent he has, but whatever it is, they need to get it straightend out soon if they want to avoid a real train wreck of a season.

I think one thing that compounds this issue is how well the first team did in preseason. Most of the time, they moved down the field on the first or second possession and scored. Then we get to the regular season and its deja vu all over again.

Human, ID, I agree. However, its time for Pete to man up, and admit what everyone else knows, and say: "I am sorry, I screwed up, I have had 5 bad drafts in a row, wont happen again. Its not the Fans fault, Russell's fault, or the sportswriters fault, its my fault. Wouldn't that be a novel concept!

We don't have to worry about Pete admitting it, his job is on the line if he fails, just like the players. This is sports. You don't change things by talk, there is only do or do not. That is why sports is so much fun to watch. Talk is cheap, performance decides everything. You have a two or three years to get it working or you're usually out.

obiken wrote:Human, ID, I agree. However, its time for Pete to man up, and admit what everyone else knows, and say: "I am sorry, I screwed up, I have had 5 bad drafts in a row, wont happen again. Its not the Fans fault, Russell's fault, or the sportswriters fault, its my fault. Wouldn't that be a novel concept!

Pete's not going to say something like that, ie declare that he screwed up in a draft when there's multiple players from that draft still on his team. How would you feel if your boss got up in front of a podium and declared that the class you were hired in as a bunch of idiots and misfits?

It is implied that the head coach is ultimately responsible for the success and/or failure of the team. Except as it relates to his protecting his players or team in specific situations, there's no need for him to apologize for anything he's done.

Pete's not going to say something like that, ie declare that he screwed up in a draft when there's multiple players from that draft still on his team. How would you feel if your boss got up in front of a podium and declared that the class you were hired in as a bunch of idiots and misfits?

It is implied that the head coach is ultimately responsible for the success and/or failure of the team. Except as it relates to his protecting his players or team in specific situations, there's no need for him to apologize for anything he's done.

Okay River, good point.