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All we have to do is beat the chiefs and Vikings in SEATTLE THE REST OF THE schedule are very winnable games.

At Carolina doesn't seem so easy to me

We will beat the Panthers although tough. Vikings in Seattle and Chiefs in Seattle the rest are easy

NO, we lose to the Panthers and the Chiefs, and win out the rest. Come on guys, No way we go to Carolina and win, or beat Ma-home.

politicalfootball wrote:All we have to do is beat the chiefs and Vikings in SEATTLE THE REST OF THE schedule are very winnable games.

I wouldn't start turning backflips because of one game against a team that has yet to win a road game. Beating the Panthers back there is going to be a monumental challenge and critical if we are to get back into the playoff hunt. Cam and McCaffery are both having solid seasons and they're undefeated at home. It's a 10:00am east coast start.

Last night was an ugly win, marred by penalties and missed opportunities. Russell had a really bad game in the 1st half as his accuracy has been off recently. Fortunately we had what remains a solid running game no matter who's packing the rock.

Watch your team MUFF it against SF

Rambo2014 wrote:Watch your team MUFF it against SF

actually, recent history shows thats what your team does.

Idhawkman you got him again.


Rambo shut your muff.

I wouldn't start turning backflips because of one game against a team that has yet to win a road game. Beating the Panthers back there is going to be a monumental challenge and critical if we are to get back into the playoff hunt. Cam and McCaffery are both having solid seasons and they're undefeated at home. It's a 10:00am east coast start.

Last night was an ugly win, marred by penalties and missed opportunities. Russell had a really bad game in the 1st half as his accuracy has been off recently. Fortunately we had what remains a solid running game no matter who's packing the rock.

Spot on River. The good news is I think IF we make the playoffs we could go all the way, especially IF we dont have to play the Rams, we can, IMHO, beat anyone. Bad News is we probably wont make the playoffs.

We're supposed to beat the 49ers and Zona, so that is 8... I had us at 9-7, not that I wouldn't like to see 11-5, but I don't know if Russell can beat the top teams right now. Something wrong. Don't see it, it's not obvious, but that missed TD to Doug proves it. Never seen that before. Lots of over and underthrows the last 3 weeks.

jshawaii22 wrote:We're supposed to beat the 49ers and Zona, so that is 8... I had us at 9-7, not that I wouldn't like to see 11-5, but I don't know if Russell can beat the top teams right now. Something wrong. Don't see it, it's not obvious, but that missed TD to Doug proves it. Never seen that before. Lots of over and underthrows the last 3 weeks.

I've been complaining about his underthrows for years. It is not a recent thing especially on the long throws. Jimmy Graham's injury was due to an under throw. Lockett's broken leg was due to an underthrow. Many others didn't end with an injury but there were numerous underthrows by RW throughout the years.

jshawaii22 wrote:We're supposed to beat the 49ers and Zona, so that is 8... I had us at 9-7, not that I wouldn't like to see 11-5, but I don't know if Russell can beat the top teams right now. Something wrong. Don't see it, it's not obvious, but that missed TD to Doug proves it. Never seen that before. Lots of over and underthrows the last 3 weeks.

I had us at 7-9. Everyone is assuming that we'll sweep the 3 remaining divisional games left, but I wouldn't at all surprised if the Niners split the series with us. We play KC in Week 16, and it's possible that they could have HFA locked up by then, making our game moot as far as they're concerned. The Carolina game is critical. We lose to them and we essentially go down 4 games to them as they'd own the tiebreaker and would leave us with just the #6 seed or some weird 3 or 4 way tie.

Yes, Russell seems to have missed a lot of throws he doesn't normally miss, especially early in the contests, ie the slow starts a lot of us have referred to. Normally one would explain it by noting that he's not familiar with the offense or the receivers, but he's missed Baldwin on a number of occasions, so who knows. On the surface, his completion percentage looks OK at 66.2%, but he hasn't had to throw the ball away a lot and he's made far fewer passing attempts than other starting QB's, which should drive that percentage up. But we'll see. We have a mini bye before we go back east to face the Panthers so he has a little more time to prepare.

Carolina vs Seattle is always a rock fight but its almost always close and home field means nothing generally, especially for Seattle which is not as competitive at home as on the road recently. .Although I was at the carolina game in 2016 when ET and Kam collided resulting in Earls broken leg and we crushed them like 40 to 7 or something. We match up well with them with our multiple running back threat and our D is getting more and more solid minus some big plays from Rogers golden arm than prevented the Pack being wiped out by Seattle .Not too many would have picked a win after the first couple of series of the game, it was really quite a show of toughness and fortitude to claw back into the game and take control of the line of scrimmage .After his wildly inaccurate throws early Russ was slinging darts late in the game so that was encouraging and for those who want to criticize his inaccurate throws look at the throws by the HOF guy in the other uni late in the game OK?
Getting Kendricks back is huge. Dude can ball.

IMO this Panthers game is a virtual must win but weirdly enough I like our chances. Ill be at the 9ers game and it will be a definite trap game for the 6-5 Hawks with the wild card being this ballsy kid Mullen slinging it around. We shall see. GO HAWKS!!!!!

Honestly like Seattle odds against KC more than Carolina. The Hawks running game vs a defense that can't stop a passing pedestrian running game, we may lose that game obviously, but imo would be more akin to the Rams losses. Carolina poses some serious issues. Seattle doesn't cover receivers out of the backfield. No, I don't need well there, because typically there's no one within 10 yards of one. Carolina runs passes out of the backfield more than regular traditional passing, and has an explosive back catching them. They also have a solid defense across the board, and are playing at home. It could be an extremely long afternoon in Carolina.

Yes of course the Carolina game is as critical as it can be we must use our defense like crazy going into it will power is a must.

Honestly of our 3 games left in division it wouldn't surprise me if we dropped one.

Edit: To clarify, it wouldn't surprise me if we won all 3 either. I just don't understand assuming we go 3-0 in those games. Our division is always a dog fight, even if the teams are that equal on paper or by record. Our division always plays each other tough. I don't see these games being so easy we can just assume victories and skip over them like some people seem to be suggesting.

10-6 We win and Doug Baldwin hooks up with Wilson I see us in. Every game. Lucky we have this mini bye week

EmeraldBullet wrote:Honestly of our 3 games left in division it wouldn't surprise me if we dropped one.

Edit: To clarify, it wouldn't surprise me if we won all 3 either. I just don't understand assuming we go 3-0 in those games. Our division is always a dog fight, even if the teams are that equal on paper or by record. Our division always plays each other tough. I don't see these games being so easy we can just assume victories and skip over them like some people seem to be suggesting.

Mike Holmgren was asked why the Seahawks had such a difficult time dispatching the hapless browns in Hasselbeck's first career start in seattle, winning by a score of 9 to 6 in a field goal fest. His answer" to win in this league is hard"

I couldn't agree more about these division games EB. They absolutely have to beat Carolina IMO to not need all kinds of help getting in but both the 9ers and AZ bother me some due to being division opponents and also their horrible records. I've so often seen this Pete carroll coached team play down to the competition, not to mention a 2 win team has nothing to lose. Why not fake a punt? go on 4th down? Trick plays etc.The 9ers QB Mullen has some spunk, mobility and a big arm. Rosen made some big throws on Seattle as well and we were lucky to get out of there with win although the entire team played dreadful including the kicker.

But point taken, no division game is just something you check off the list. We shall see...

I've been looking at the Panthers schedule and results trying to figure out why everyone thinks they are so good. Looking at who they've played, opponents record when they played, opponents records now and Panthers resulting record for the game against their opponents and I'm not seeing them to be overwhelming. See below for the research I've done.

Looking a little deeper at the numbers there, the combined record of teams that Carolina has beat is 22-32 which isn't real impressive.

Equally as important, their 3 losses came against teams with a combined record of 16-10-1.

Good points, and I'll add that they haven't played the Saints yet. But I'll also point out that they're undefeated at home this season. This is going to be every bit as tough a game as either of the two Rams games.

Bottom line is that this is a must win game for us if we are to advance to the playoffs.

RiverDog wrote:Good points, and I'll add that they haven't played the Saints yet. But I'll also point out that they're undefeated at home this season. This is going to be every bit as tough a game as either of the two Rams games.

Bottom line is that this is a must win game for us if we are to advance to the playoffs.

True they are undefeated at home but they've played:

Boys
Bengals
Giants
Ravens
Bucs

The Boys had a very rough start to the season and couldn't figure stuff out, the Bungles have the worst defense in the NFL (might have moved upa spot this week, haven't checked yet but they are right there close to worst), the Giants have a total of 2 wins, Ravens have been decimated by injuries and the Bucs started with a flash but has been aweful since week 3. So no real "quality" wins at home for them.

1 of 5 critical games handled, though, clearly they still aren't interested in covering a back in pass defense. The KC really is irrelevant to the playoff hunt IMHO as its exceedingly unlikely that Minnesota, Carolina, Washington, and Philly don't drop at least 1 if not 2 in some of their cases ( especially Minnesota and Carolina.... and I wouldn't be shocked to see Washington finish the season at .500 or worse).

I don't see Seattle's main competition coming from anyone but possibly philly and Minnesota..... handle your business against Arizona and SF, find a way to beat Minnesota by hook or by crook.... they are in the postseason travelling to Dallas or Chicago ( barring a collapse by Dallas, which honestly helps Seattle as they own the tiebreaker, and removes philly from WC equation).... personally, if Seattle is going to be a WC, I prefer they play either of those teams in the postseason on the road....

1 of 5 critical games handled, though, clearly they still aren't interested in covering a back in pass defense. The KC really is irrelevant to the playoff hunt IMHO as its exceedingly unlikely that Minnesota, Carolina, Washington, and Philly don't drop at least 1 if not 2 in some of their cases ( especially Minnesota and Carolina.... and I wouldn't be shocked to see Washington finish the season at .500 or worse).

I don't see Seattle's main competition coming from anyone but possibly philly and Minnesota..... handle your business against Arizona and SF, find a way to beat Minnesota by hook or by crook.... they are in the postseason travelling to Dallas or Chicago ( barring a collapse by Dallas, which honestly helps Seattle as they own the tiebreaker, and removes philly from WC equation).... personally, if Seattle is going to be a WC, I prefer they play either of those teams in the postseason on the road....

HumanCockroach wrote:1 of 5 critical games handled, though, clearly they still aren't interested in covering a back in pass defense. The KC really is irrelevant to the playoff hunt IMHO as its exceedingly unlikely that Minnesota, Carolina, Washington, and Philly don't drop at least 1 if not 2 in some of their cases ( especially Minnesota and Carolina.... and I wouldn't be shocked to see Washington finish the season at .500 or worse).

I don't see Seattle's main competition coming from anyone but possibly philly and Minnesota..... handle your business against Arizona and SF, find a way to beat Minnesota by hook or by crook.... they are in the postseason travelling to Dallas or Chicago ( barring a collapse by Dallas, which honestly helps Seattle as they own the tiebreaker, and removes philly from WC equation).... personally, if Seattle is going to be a WC, I prefer they play either of those teams in the postseason on the road....

I wouldn't want to travel to Chicago in January. They're a tough defensive team that's already played us and Russell hasn't played well in poor weather conditions. I'll take any team in the East on the road vs. going to Chicago.

LOL You boys are still going to Muff it next weekend

do I hear "Trap"????

Rambo2014 wrote:LOL You boys are still going to Muff it next weekend

do I hear "Trap"????

Ha! The only muff is between your legs.

RiverDog wrote:
I wouldn't want to travel to Chicago in January. They're a tough defensive team that's already played us and Russell hasn't played well in poor weather conditions. I'll take any team in the East on the road vs. going to Chicago.

I just saw on the news that Chicago is getting one of their biggest Nov snow storms ever (like top 3). I wonder how effective Mack is going to be in the snow. I haven't followed his career too much so he might have some history in cold/snow games but I know it won't be the speed track he's used to in Oakland this time of year. (Has he ever played in the post season? Do we know if his body can hold up to a 16+ game season?)

The best case at this point is to be the #1 WC and have the Dallas Cowboy's win their division with the worst record (like they probably will) of the 4 division winners. We go to Texas Stadium -- probably in the late TV Sunday, too... it's the Cowboys! Win that and it has to be either Rams or NO. Gulp!

So you have given up on 11-5 well I haven't

politicalfootball wrote:So you have given up on 11-5 well I haven't

I didn't get that from him PF. I think it might take an 11-5 record to be the #1 WC seed.

idhawkman wrote:I just saw on the news that Chicago is getting one of their biggest Nov snow storms ever (like top 3). I wonder how effective Mack is going to be in the snow. I haven't followed his career too much so he might have some history in cold/snow games but I know it won't be the speed track he's used to in Oakland this time of year. (Has he ever played in the post season? Do we know if his body can hold up to a 16+ game season?)

Keep in mind that Oakland has one of the worst playing surfaces in the league, the only team that shares their field with a baseball team. The first month of the season Mack spends a fair amount of time on a dirt infield.

Snow is just one concern. I saw a playoff game in Chicago once when the fog was so dense that they couldn't televise from upstairs.

Weather conditions are always a wild card as no one can predict if it will yield an advantage or disadvantage to a team, but often times does. I would like to think that our run orientated offense would be better equipped for bad weather than most teams, but you never know. Carson has had a few issues with ball security lately. Can he keep from fumbling on a wet, snowy day?

ID that was hilarious!!

Well we did it and just by the slimmest of margins. Look out to our next competition for us they're doomed.