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Postby EmeraldBullet » Wed Dec 18, 2019 8:13 pm

Was listening to the radio and clayton and moore said that it wasn't worth 9 million to sign him. He helped us tremendously in the 9ers game. If we didn't have him, I don't think we would've won that game. At this point in the season, had we lost to the 9ers, we'd be in a much different position. In my opinion signing him was worth the 9M.
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Re: Ziggy

Postby RiverDog » Wed Dec 18, 2019 8:58 pm

EmeraldBullet wrote:Was listening to the radio and clayton and moore said that it wasn't worth 9 million to sign him. He helped us tremendously in the 9ers game. If we didn't have him, I don't think we would've won that game. At this point in the season, had we lost to the 9ers, we'd be in a much different position. In my opinion signing him was worth the 9M.


You can say that about a lot of players when you win a game in OT by virtue of a long FG.

I don't buy the argument that Ziggy was worth the money we spent on him simply because of his performance in one game. It's the same flawed logic some use to justify the trade for Percy Harvin based only on his KO return for a TD in the Super Bowl.
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Re: Ziggy

Postby c_hawkbob » Thu Dec 19, 2019 5:22 am

EmeraldBullet wrote:Was listening to the radio and clayton and moore said that it wasn't worth 9 million to sign him. He helped us tremendously in the 9ers game. If we didn't have him, I don't think we would've won that game. At this point in the season, had we lost to the 9ers, we'd be in a much different position. In my opinion signing him was worth the 9M.

RiverDog wrote:You can say that about a lot of players when you win a game in OT by virtue of a long FG.

I don't buy the argument that Ziggy was worth the money we spent on him simply because of his performance in one game. It's the same flawed logic some use to justify the trade for Percy Harvin based only on his KO return for a TD in the Super Bowl.

I disagree. I think Harvin was worth the money even if only based on that single play in the Super Bowl that announced to the Broncos that no, there was NOT going to be a dramatic 2nd half turnaround of the game's fortunes in this Super Bowl!

A whole lot of money is very regularly spent with a whole lot less tangible return and nary an eyelash is batted.

Not that this by extension justifies the Ansah signing, but it at least validates the argument.
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Re: Ziggy

Postby RiverDog » Thu Dec 19, 2019 6:31 am

c_hawkbob wrote:I disagree. I think Harvin was worth the money even if only based on that single play in the Super Bowl that announced to the Broncos that no, there was NOT going to be a dramatic 2nd half turnaround of the game's fortunes in this Super Bowl!

A whole lot of money is very regularly spent with a whole lot less tangible return and nary an eyelash is batted.

Not that this by extension justifies the Ansah signing, but it at least validates the argument.


I didn't say Harvin wasn't worth the money. I said it was flawed logic to use to justify the trade, which involved more than just money.
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Re: Ziggy

Postby Hawktawk » Thu Dec 19, 2019 6:46 am

I’ve literally made the point regarding Harvin. Ansah is a bit different. He had a big 9ers game but hadn’t done squat before or since. It was a big win but Lots of stuff happened just like every game where different guys stepped up.

Harvin on the other hand is a no brainer yes he earned his money. The goal of every team is a Lombardi . Here’s what Harvin did for Seattle in 2013. Returning from injury vs the Vikings he had several big plays leading to a win keeping us in the lead for HFA.
Returning again vs the Saints in the divisional he made more big plays before being knocked out in a tight game.

Then in the Super Bowl everyone remembers the return which I’ll adress but many forget about the jet sweeps that befuddled Denver. Harvin gashed Denver including on the first drive. He led the team in rushing on like 3 carries. He also made a circus catch in the right flat of an overthrow to keep the chains moving on another drive.

But then the cherry on top. 22 zip at the half with Manning on the field is not safe and everyone knew it. Fox called for a pooch that I think with 99% of returners would have been a collision. The ball bounced high in the air with defenders steaming down. Harvin leaped in the air to high point the ball then made 2 defenders whiff the second his feet hit the ground. A couple more jukesand elite speed and the rest is history . It was one of the more explosive pretty returns I’ve seen.The look on Manning’s face on the big screen told the entire story. That was the nail in the coffin. He was worth it .
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