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Watson for Tua is in the works, what about DW for RW. Younger will be as good, taller and less cap hit. What say ye Hawky jury?

obiken wrote:Watson for Tua is in the works, what about DW for RW. Younger will be as good, taller and less cap hit. What say ye Hawky jury?

Watson's cap it is reasonable in 2021 but it jumps way up in 2022 and 2023, over $40M/season. I wouldn't take a straight up Russell-for-Watson deal and would insist on a draft choice. But there's no indication that there's trouble between Russell and Pete, so I don't see anything happening this season.

I doubt that a Watson-for-Tua trade would be straight across. The Texans are likely to demand a high draft choice, perhaps two. Personally, I wasn't at all impressed with what I saw of Tua, but Watson has MVP ability.

The market for Watson is going to be ripe. There's a lot of QB needy teams out there.

obiken wrote:Watson for Tua is in the works, what about DW for RW. Younger will be as good, taller and less cap hit. What say ye Hawky jury?

If Watson is toxic and they have to move him Tua is the obvious choice. Wilson is 7 years older than Watson, 10 older than Tua. If something were to happen with Wilson which I'm 999% sure wont it would be a straight up draft pick plus multiple players from a playoff contending team wanting to win immediately. Eagles? Picks and Wentz?

Tua actually has a very similar game to Wilson and as I watch him play he's very exciting with great upside.

It's all just a mental exercise. My bet is Russ is here at least one more year. Id love to see him play his whole career here but only if he rediscovers the Russell magic cause its been in short supply.

No. Sometimes loyalty to those loyal to you that give you everything is worth something. Russell still performs at a high level. He's given everything to Seattle. He hasn't missed a game. He doesn't bad mouth the team. He represents the community well. He is everything Seattle fans like in a QB. I do not support trading him or anything of the kind. Russell is our QB through the good and bad times. I won't turn on him because we didn't make it out of the divisional round. I hope he retires here.

Aseahawkfan wrote:No. Sometimes loyalty to those loyal to you that give you everything is worth something. Russell still performs at a high level. He's given everything to Seattle. He hasn't missed a game. He doesn't bad mouth the team. He represents the community well. He is everything Seattle fans like in a QB. I do not support trading him or anything of the kind. Russell is our QB through the good and bad times. I won't turn on him because we didn't make it out of the divisional round. I hope he retires here.

I'm good with that. I am not advocating trading Russell, but I'm not married to him, either, and would listen to offers.

I don't think we're there yet. I'm willing to give the current plan another year and see what happens. Up until this past weekend, I was feeling pretty good about our chances. Things could be worse than a 12-4 season and a division title.

If you go to field goals.com teams are inquiring about trades for Russell Wilson so I wasn’t is out to lunch as even I thought!

obiken wrote:If you go to field goals.com teams are inquiring about trades for Russell Wilson so I wasn’t is out to lunch as even I thought!

No. Trade. Clause.

Wilson for Watson is a bad idea on the face of it but it doesn't matter we couldn't trade him if we wanted to. Other teams asking means nothing, teams put out feelers to other teams all the time.

obiken wrote:If you go to field goals.com teams are inquiring about trades for Russell Wilson so I wasn’t is out to lunch as even I thought!

c_hawkbob wrote:No. Trade. Clause.

Wilson for Watson is a bad idea on the face of it but it doesn't matter we couldn't trade him if we wanted to. Other teams asking means nothing, teams put out feelers to other teams all the time.

Yeah, that's one of the little details that makes a trade very unlikely. It doesn't mean that it's impossible, just that any trade would require Russell's consent, and at 32 years old, you have to think that he wouldn't want to go to a team like the Texans.

However, before Russell signed his last contract, there rumors were flying about Ciara lobbying him to work his way to the Big Apple, so a 3 way deal that could land Russell with a team like the Jets isn't beyond the realm of possibilities.

I'm not off the Russell bandwagon just yet as his best football may still be ahead of him, but neither am I on it with both feet. Watson would be one of the few available QB's that has a high enough ceiling to consider it an upgrade.

I agree river, but why are all these teams inquiring about a trade for Russell Wilson, they have to be smelling a chink in the armor of the Seahawk front office and him.

Seattle is in cap hell thus a trade for Watson solves nothing....

obiken wrote:I agree river, but why are all these teams inquiring about a trade for Russell Wilson, they have to be smelling a chink in the armor of the Seahawk front office and him.

Have you ever heard the saying that if you throw enough chit on a wall, some of it is bound to stick? It's like a brainstorming session. No one is allowed to offer any criticism or make any gestures. Every idea gets written down and considered.

I suspect that the Goff-Stafford trade got GM's to thinking outside the box.

LOL

Don't you know that RW is going to be a Niner and Jimmy G will be your QB

Good Luck

Coming from the team that turned down Tom Brady when he called and said he wanted to play for the 49ers last year because Jimmy G is so much better... I just got a good laugh at your statement.

curmudgeon wrote:Seattle is in cap hell thus a trade for Watson solves nothing....

Seattle is not in cap hell, not even close.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/02/09/do-the-seahawks-still-have-a-russell-wilson-problem/

Who knows what the future will hold, but the items about the Cap Charge of 39 million if we trade him before June 1 and he does have a no-trade, which means he really would have to be the one to find the new team, negotiate his new contract (especially if it's the JETS) and then tell management to work out a trade. So the ball is definitely in his camp's court and will be through at least this year and probably 2022.

We would have been a 4 win team w/o RW. Maybe it makes me a terrible GM candidate, but no effin way!!!!

curmudgeon wrote:Seattle is in cap hell thus a trade for Watson solves nothing....

Okay but 20 mill a year for DW, vs 35 mil a year for RW looks pretty exciting. Like River said however, not gonna happen.

Hawk Sista wrote:We would have been a 4 win team w/o RW. Maybe it makes me a terrible GM candidate, but no effin way!!!!

Oh with Jimmy G. no doubt but Watson? We may have not lost a game!

Hawk Sista wrote:We would have been a 4 win team w/o RW. Maybe it makes me a terrible GM candidate, but no effin way!!!!

obiken wrote:Oh with Jimmy G. no doubt but Watson? We may have not lost a game!

Watson is not an upgrade from Russ.

If he does move on it won't be this year as it would trigger a $35 million Cap charge.
Next year? Maybe, if things don't improve and he wants out.

Watson is not an upgrade from Russ.

We just have a major difference of opinion on that on CB, 25 vs 33.

Have you ever heard the saying that if you throw enough chit on a wall, some of it is bound to stick? It's like a brainstorming session. No one is allowed to offer any criticism or make any gestures. Every idea gets written down and considered.
I suspect that the Goff-Stafford trade got GM's to thinking outside the box.

That may be, but this story is not dying River. On First things First they were quoting people in Russell's camp that he is getting frustrated at the lack of protection. He is not 25 anymore, and he is not outrunning people. Brandon Marshall was saying that PC is a good coach but he is stubborn has hell, he is refusing to change on offense and defense. Mostly on offense. I dont think he is DW who wants outta Houston, but he is almost done with Pete's intransigence.

That may be, but this story is not dying River. On First things First they were quoting people in Russell's camp that he is getting frustrated at the lack of protection. He is not 25 anymore, and he is not outrunning people. Brandon Marshall was saying that PC is a good coach but he is stubborn has hell, he is refusing to change on offense and defense. Mostly on offense. I dont think he is DW who wants outta Houston, but he is almost done with Pete's intransigence.

RW needs to look at himself and his salary as part of the lack of protection

RW needs to look at himself and his salary as part of the lack of protection

I agree Upper, the GOAT took pay cuts to keep good teams around himself. Just him and Bobby Wagner are sucking up 30+% of the cap.

The Bucs top 6 players Cap hit equals about $95 million with Brady being the most at $28 million so it's not that bad with Wilson and Wagner. As well, the Bucs MLB Lavonte David will probably get an $8 million added Cap hit since he's one of the better LBs in the league and will expect to be paid like one. The Seahawks Cap hit for the top 6 is about $102 million as a comparison. What that seems to tell us is it's about the quality of the younger players along with cheaper Free Agent pickups that can contribute.

NorthHawk wrote:The Bucs top 6 players Cap hit equals about $95 million with Brady being the most at $28 million so it's not that bad with Wilson and Wagner. As well, the Bucs MLB Lavonte David will probably get an $8 million added Cap hit since he's one of the better LBs in the league and will expect to be paid like one. The Seahawks Cap hit for the top 6 is about $102 million as a comparison. What that seems to tell us is it's about the quality of the younger players along with cheaper Free Agent pickups that can contribute.

Sure NH, what I wonder is how these teams can go 100 Million over the Cap, like New Orleans?