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https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/308 ... awks-moves

Well, about as close to it as he ever comes to venting anyway. The comment he made that really caught my eye was towards the end of the article to the effect that he would like to have more say in team decisions. According to the article, RW has been hit more times in nine years of playing time than any other QB.

So what do you make of that?

I chalk it up to offseason reporters trying to stir up drama in Seattle because we're the most boring team in the league.

Russell said he did participate in the search and the approves of the hire of the new OC, but his negative comments that we all know are true, to some extent, headlined a bunch of the talking head national sports show and generally neither he or team look very good right now.

The rumor mill is running wild:

Could Russell Wilson be traded? There's one clear landing spot, and it could reignite a franchise

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/coul ... franchise/

Russell Wilson to Las Vegas for Derek Carr? It would have to include 3 #1's, the MGM, the Bellagio, and the Luxor.

Yeah, a lot of talking heads, but Russ is feeding this in his media tour. Not sure why he is, but doesn't seem like a good idea to trash your OL publicly, nor should he be involved in personnel.

RiverDog wrote:The rumor mill is running wild:

Could Russell Wilson be traded? There's one clear landing spot, and it could reignite a franchise

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/coul ... franchise/

Russell Wilson to Las Vegas for Derek Carr? It would have to include 3 #1's, the MGM, the Bellagio, and the Luxor.

They can keep the Luxor. I never did like those sideways elevators.

The writer makes a good case for Wilson accepting a trade to Las Vegas and if he really wants out, it might be a possibility next year when the Cap hit isn’t so large. If Pete only wants a point guard for a QB then Carr could fit the bill. As well, we could get a haul of draft picks and maybe a starting player or players. I would hate to see Russ leave, but that’s what sometimes happens in sports.

Well, if RW had not pushed for such a big contract last time around, the rumors might have more reality to them. Hawks have too much money sunk into him to say bye, bye. No other team would be willing to pay the price to make it equitable. And I don't think Russ is the kind who will make such as stink that the team would be willing to eat that roll of money just to get rid of the turmoil as some teams have recently.

Russell Wilson to Las Vegas for Derek Carr? It would have to include 3 #1's, the MGM, the Bellagio, and the Luxor.

Got a chuckle out of me with that one, Riv.
No way does RW leave Seattle for at least 2 more seasons. The financials don't work.
If he did wind up in Vegas I wouldn't mind having him over to the house for one of my famous Thai Night Feasts.

This story might have something more to it than we think.
A new report on PFT says the Seahawks mgmt isn't happy with Wilson going public with his complaints.
So if he's not happy with them and they're not happy with him, something might happen. The biggest problem is the Cap implications of trading him this year.
According to Spotrac, if we traded him this year his Dead Cap number would be $39 million and if we traded him next year it would be $26 million.

I'm seeing A LOT of reports about Russell's being unhappy and of possible landing spots. One team that is being speculated about is the Patriots, and I saw another about a trade with the Dolphins involving Russell and Tua.

If the rumors of Russell's unhappiness aren't true, and I still believe that they are just rumors, then Russell and Pete need to sit down and hold a joint news conference and put them to rest. It could affect how free agents perceive our team. If they think that Russell may be traded before the start of the season, they may not be as willing to come here and play for some unknown quarterback.

The chariot is turning into a pumpkin pronto. The fact with Russ is that throughout his career he’s been responsible for a great number of his hits and sacks . But he’s made incredible plays on the scramble drill. Over the years it’s gotten out of balance in the postseason .

It was never more true than this season in the second half . After his complaints throwing his line under the bus field gulls compiled a devastating montage of Russ holding the ball , passing up open receivers and then making bad throws under pressure or taking sacks . One play his eyes never came off DK in spite of 3 receivers being open and he took a sack 5.5 seconds after the snap . Something has changed and as I posted earlier it’s denial to say it hasn’t . Russ has gone from the ultimate team player to a blame shifting diva . Still the greatest Qb we ever had or possibly ever will but the glass slipper is broken , Cinderella story over.

Hawktawk wrote:The chariot is turning into a pumpkin pronto. The fact with Russ is that throughout his career he’s been responsible for a great number of his hits and sacks . But he’s made incredible plays on the scramble drill. Over the years it’s gotten out of balance in the postseason .

It was never more true than this season in the second half . After his complaints throwing his line under the bus field gulls compiled a devastating montage of Russ holding the ball , passing up open receivers and then making bad throws under pressure or taking sacks . One play his eyes never came off DK in spite of 3 receivers being open and he took a sack 5.5 seconds after the snap . Something has changed and as I posted earlier it’s denial to say it hasn’t . Russ has gone from the ultimate team player to a blame shifting diva . Still the greatest Qb we ever had or possibly ever will but the glass slipper is broken , Cinderella story over.

Sorry I dont buy the argument! 390+ sacks in 9 years, thats a record that goes back to 1970! Sorry, this is not Russ's fault, and I admire what he doing, he is finally breaking out of his Raa Raa shell and telling management that he is tired of getting pummeled!

Hawktawk wrote:The chariot is turning into a pumpkin pronto. The fact with Russ is that throughout his career he’s been responsible for a great number of his hits and sacks . But he’s made incredible plays on the scramble drill. Over the years it’s gotten out of balance in the postseason .

It was never more true than this season in the second half . After his complaints throwing his line under the bus field gulls compiled a devastating montage of Russ holding the ball , passing up open receivers and then making bad throws under pressure or taking sacks . One play his eyes never came off DK in spite of 3 receivers being open and he took a sack 5.5 seconds after the snap . Something has changed and as I posted earlier it’s denial to say it hasn’t . Russ has gone from the ultimate team player to a blame shifting diva . Still the greatest Qb we ever had or possibly ever will but the glass slipper is broken , Cinderella story over.

obiken wrote:Sorry I dont buy the argument! 390+ sacks in 9 years, thats a record that goes back to 1970! Sorry, this is not Russ's fault, and I admire what he doing, he is finally breaking out of his Raa Raa shell and telling management that he is tired of getting pummeled!

Sorry, but I DO buy that argument, or at least in part. PFF has our offensive line ranked 16th in the league in pass protection, so they're in the upper half of the league. They are not the dog meat that Obi is making them out to be and certainly not bad enough to be "throwing them under the bus", although I don't necessarily accept that Russell has done that:

The Seahawks’ offensive line ranked 16th as a unit in pass-blocking grade this season. That may not appear all that impressive on the surface, but it’s the highest they’ve ranked in that area since Russell Wilson has been in Seattle.

https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-final-2020 ... e-rankings

We were also the 12th ranked rushing offense in the league and tied for 5th in rushing yards per attempt, so it's not like we have to rely exclusively on Russell's passing.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/stats/team/_/v ... t/dir/desc

I know for a fact that at least some of what Hawktalk is saying is true. You have to be at the stadium and sitting fairly high up in order to get a good idea of what the coverage looks like, if Russell's passing up smaller gains while waiting for the big home run play to develop. I didn't get a chance to see any games in person this season, but in years past, I've seen with my own eyes Russell forgoing an open receiver waiting for a bigger play.

The other thing that is not being factored into the equation is how incredibly difficult it is for an offensive lineman to block for a quarterback like Russell who refuses to give up on a play. The defense can see where he's going, but the offensive lineman can't. They cannot anticipate where or when he's going to break the pocket.

The truth lies somewhere in the middle. Yes, the offensive line is not Super Bowl quality and needs to be improved if we expect to be SB contenders. But they're not the root cause of our problems. Russell needs to be getting the ball out of his hands much quicker, whether that be by play design or by his own self discipline. As I keep harping about, his time to throw is the 5th worst in the league with every single player below him being at least 7 years younger than he is. That has to change.

We see other teams moving the pocket to avoid dominating defensive linemen. We always seem to have a straight back 5 - 7 step drop and then scramble.
The other thing is we start to use the TE's and are successful, then forget them for the rest of the year. I don't know if it's game planning, play calling, execution, or other but the result has been fairly predictable up to now.
Maybe the new OC will change things and the Offense will become varied in it's play selection. We'll see how it all pans out.

What I'm reading is that the team is standing firm at "he's not available" .

c_hawkbob wrote:What I'm reading is that the team is standing firm at "he's not available" .

And then there's this:

On Wednesday’s edition of The Dan Patrick Show, Dan Patrick revealed some interesting things he’s heard from NFL sources. He said that Seahawks management is “not happy with Russell Wilson and his camp” for making his grievance public.

“A source told me that the #Seahawks management is not happy with Russell Wilson and his camp for taking this to the media,” Patrick said. “You wonder if they’re going to be able to coexist… the current situation is unsustainable. That’s what I was told.

The plot thickens.

Here's an excellent article that separate's what Russ actually said, in context, from what the subsequent and ever growing spin has been: https://pacificnwsports.com/seattle-sea ... Cs6UcDYOUM

He didn't answer these questions any differently than he always does. For instance (and I apologize for the all caps but it's a c&p and I don't have the time to retype it all out:

“LIKE ANY PLAYER, YOU NEVER WANT TO GET HIT, THAT’S THE REALITY OF PLAYING THIS POSITION; ASK ANY QUARTERBACK WHO WANTS TO PLAY THIS GAME. BUT AT THE SAME TIME, IT’S PART OF THE JOB AND EVERYTHING ELSE. I THINK THAT THE REALITY IS THAT I’VE DEFINITELY BEEN HIT. I’VE BEEN SACKED ALMOST 400 TIMES, SO WE’VE GOT TO GET BETTER. I’VE GOT TO FIND WAYS TO GET BETTER TOO.”

That's what he always says! right down to the "we's" and the "I've got to be better toos". Unlike what Walt said (I think he was reading the spin, not the actual quotes) I don't see him throwing his O-line under the bus in that statement, "We" could be and likely is referring the scheme as much as the personnel (and knowing Russ, probably more than).

Everyone needs to chill, Russ ain't going nowhere. This is just Dan Patrick selling copy.

c_hawkbob wrote:Here's an excellent article that separate's what Russ actually said, in context, from what the subsequent and ever growing spin has been: https://pacificnwsports.com/seattle-sea ... Cs6UcDYOUM

He didn't answer these questions any differently than he always does. For instance (and I apologize for the all caps but it's a c&p and I don't have the time to retype it all out:

“LIKE ANY PLAYER, YOU NEVER WANT TO GET HIT, THAT’S THE REALITY OF PLAYING THIS POSITION; ASK ANY QUARTERBACK WHO WANTS TO PLAY THIS GAME. BUT AT THE SAME TIME, IT’S PART OF THE JOB AND EVERYTHING ELSE. I THINK THAT THE REALITY IS THAT I’VE DEFINITELY BEEN HIT. I’VE BEEN SACKED ALMOST 400 TIMES, SO WE’VE GOT TO GET BETTER. [b]I’VE GOT TO FIND WAYS TO GET BETTER TOO.”

That's what he always says! right down to the "we's" and the "I've got to be better toos". Unlike what Walt said (I think he was reading the spin, not the actual quotes) I don't see him throwing his O-line under the bus in that statement, "We" could be and likely is referring the scheme as much as the personnel (and knowing Russ, probably more than).

Everyone needs to chill, Russ ain't going nowhere. This is just Dan Patrick selling copy.

I don't think he's going anywhere, either, and we have to keep in mind that February is the slowest time of the year for sports so the talking heads are looking for something to talk about. Nevertheless, you'll have to admit that it's getting talked about A LOT, and from more people than just talking heads like Dan Patrick:

The situation between the Seahawks and quarterback Russell Wilson has escalated quickly, with Wilson clearly not happy and with the team reportedly not happy that Wilson is displaying his unhappiness in a public setting.

"Russell Wilson is beyond frustrated. I think he's trying to figure out how to move on in a classy way," (Former teammate Brandon) Marshall said on FS1's First Things First this week. "That's what I truly believe. Russ is a guy that's not concerned 'how you think about me' or 'what you think about me.' He's concerned about 'what type of legacy will I leave behind.' he's trying to leave the legacy that he did things the right way so other guys can follow that same blueprint.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2 ... ll-wilson/

Is it a case of where there's smoke, there's fire?

The Dan Patrick show quotes is the source of that article too (click on the links within). Just like always, everyone else is quoting the same root source. There's no more smoke now than there was the day he said it. It's just that the more people regurgitate the same thing in a slightly different way people think he's running around screaming it all over the place. That's not what's going on.

c_hawkbob wrote:The Dan Patrick show quotes is the source of that article too (click on the links within). Just like always, everyone else is quoting the same root source. There's no more smoke now than there was the day he said it. It's just that the more people regurgitate the same thing in a slightly different way people think he's running around screaming it all over the place. That's not what's going on.

This has been brewing for a long time, we’re talking about a guy that doesn’t cry, not once! We’re talking about a guy that was the NFL man of the year. I think he’s frustrated, I think he has a right to be frustrated, and I think if you guys don’t know that your burying the problem. You’re seeing a problem that we’ve all talked about on this site in dealing with the offensive line. There’s not a person on the site that I know of, not you, not River, not myself, that has not spent time on commenting that Seattle needs to quit going on the cheap on the o line. But OK if you wanna act like a bunch of cultic Trump supporters, and blame the victim be my guest. Sorry 394 sacks, that’s not Russell holding onto the damn ball too long, that’s about when we play the Rams, almost every play is a damn jailbreak! If you guys want to trade Russell Wilson for a Kirk cousins, go ahead make my day. Right now there are three great quarterbacks in the league a viable age, Patrick Mahomes, Deshaun Watson, and Russell Wilson. You trade Russell Wilson for anybody but the other two you’re getting less value for your product and I don’t see how that helps the team!

I certainly hope Russ is back next year but as RD points out the line is #16 in pass protection and 5th in run , the best of russes career statistically . Yet with all starting linemen playing vs the rams Russ took 5 sacks and multiple hits , threw a pick 6 and completed 11 balls for a 43% completion rate . Oh and Aaron Donald missed the second half . I’d say at least a third of Russell’s sacks are on him for his career and I won’t back off that. A lot could have been throwaways or dump offs . He never gives up . It was a recipe for great plays for many years but since mid season it was a drastic falloff . I call it shocking , the poor decisions , lack of accuracy , inability to pull the trigger on contested routes he used to be a wizard at. I hope it’s a blip on the radar screen but this whole vibe feels very different .

obiken wrote:Right now there are three great quarterbacks in the league a viable age, Patrick Mahomes, Deshaun Watson, and Russell Wilson. You trade Russell Wilson for anybody but the other two you’re getting less value for your product and I don’t see how that helps the team!

There are more good, young QB's out there besides the three you mentioned...Josh Allen, Justin Hebert, and Baker Mayfield all had good seasons. Lamar Jackson is a former MVP. Those QB's are all capable of taking a team to the SB, and they're all 7+ years younger than Russell. I'm not advocating a trade for any of them, just saying that the football world doesn't begin and end with Russell Wilson.

The ball is in Russell's court. He has a no trade clause so nothing happens without his consent. I don't want us to move away from him as I still believe that he can get us back to a Super Bowl, but if if he's as unhappy and frustrated as he's rumored to be and wants out, then we'd be better off trading him now while he has such a high value rather than keeping a QB that's not completely on board.

I want to believe in Cbob's scenario, that it's all nothing but a bunch of static and that Russell still says "Go Hawks!" before he goes to sleep at night and the first thing when he wakes up in the morning. But I'm not holding my breath, either. None of us know for certain what Russell is thinking. He's way too politically correct to ever come out and say that he wants a trade ala Deshaun Watson.

* I want more stars
* I want Antonio Brown
* I want to be involved in selecting coaches
* I want to be involved in making personnel decisions
* I want better protection

Well, he's not management and shouldn’t Be thinking he is. Wanna help? Stop whining every off season, stop holdIng the ball and taking losses. Your plate is over-filled (maybe literally) with outside investments and advisors. Wanna be the best? Brady’s a good example. Work hard, get rid of the ball, make cap-friendly deals, don’t throw your teammates under the bus and shut up.

Until the defense is rebuilt, nothing is changing. I worry more about the defense than the O-line. Pete's plan don't work without a super strong defense. At heart he is a defensive guy and his teams need that strong defense to do what he wants to do.

Aseahawkfan wrote:Until the defense is rebuilt, nothing is changing. I worry more about the defense than the O-line. Pete's plan don't work without a super strong defense. At heart he is a defensive guy and his teams need that strong defense to do what he wants to do.

There's a lot of truth in what you say. But it works both ways. If the offense is producing a lot of three and outs then the defense is on the field too long.

But I certainly agree with those who said the tight ends need to be more involved and not just used as linemen.

trents wrote:There's a lot of truth in what you say. But it works both ways. If the offense is producing a lot of three and outs then the defense is on the field too long.

But I certainly agree with those who said the tight ends need to be more involved and not just used as linemen.

I think Pete likes that grinding style of defensive football. Run the ball, grind the clock, make the opponent work for every yard and every point, keep them out of the end zone, get turnovers on defense, protect the ball, take the ball, pass to score. His offense isn't dynamic. It's a grinding, defensive, ball control style of play. When it works well, it can win a Super Bowl. When it doesn't, well you compete but don't quite get there. But that is most teams.

There seems to be this idea that other teams are doing better than us or their system is working better. But the reality doesn't support this idea. The reality is that the best team of the past 20 years is the Patriots. They're the only team that has done it as a record setting pace. As far as the rest, we have three Super Bowl appearances in the past 20 years, 2 with Pete. That's about as well as any team other than the Steelers who have won 2 of 3 over the last 20 years.

Over the past 20 years:

Patriots 6 Super Bowls
Ravens: 2 Super Bowls
Steelers: 2 Super Bowls
Giants: 2
Bucs: 2
Broncos, Packers, Seahawks, Saints, Rams, Chiefs, Colts: 1


Only QBs to win more than 1 during their run: Brady 7, Ben R 2, Eli M 2, Peyton M 2

We're doing as well as any team that isn't the Patriots or a Tom Brady led team over the past 20 years give or take a Super Bowl. You can go back to the End of the Dynasty period in the 90s and Aikman has 3 and Elway has 2.

Sometimes it just happens this way. If your team is good enough to win a Super Bowl during a QB run, you've done very well. I would love to get back to another Super Bowl, but the reality is it's very hard to do. Only Freak Show Brady has been so dominant that I don't know how you ever expect to emulate that, especially in the salary cap era. It's so rare as to be a singular feat that will likely never be equaled. As far as the Seahawks performance, you really can't ask for much more than to be in the running every year hoping to get hot at the right time. Pete has kept us in that competitive spot for over a decade now.

Russ has been instrumental in keeping us competitive. I feel like Seattle fans will find out the hard way as most teams do, that when you lose a QB as good as Russell, you can go the wrong way very, very, very fast with no return to competition any time soon.

TriCitySam wrote:* I want more stars
* I want Antonio Brown
* I want to be involved in selecting coaches
* I want to be involved in making personnel decisions
* I want better protection

Well, he's not management and shouldn’t Be thinking he is. Wanna help? Stop whining every off season, stop holdIng the ball and taking losses. Your plate is over-filled (maybe literally) with outside investments and advisors. Wanna be the best? Brady’s a good example. Work hard, get rid of the ball, make cap-friendly deals, don’t throw your teammates under the bus and shut up.

Stop Whinning??? Really dude!! When has EVER whined???!!!??? NEVER! This is the new reality guys, after Lebron and Brady in Football, the elites are going to want more weapons. We don't have the line or the RB's to run the ball anymore, period. Man TS, I cannot believe after all the wins, 2 SB appearances, playoff wins, 4 quarter comebacks, you guys are throwing him under the bus!!

Aseahawkfan wrote:Until the defense is rebuilt, nothing is changing. I worry more about the defense than the O-line. Pete's plan don't work without a super strong defense. At heart he is a defensive guy and his teams need that strong defense to do what he wants to do.

Yea, it's a conundrum. Pete's system doesn't work unless you have a top 10 defense yet you have a quarterback that's soaking up a lot of salary and asking for more players to surround him that you have to keep happy. I'm not sure how much longer Pete and Russell can co-exist.

This thing is taking on a life of its own. I can't arrow down my news feed without seeing another article speculating about a Russell trade or where he might end up. I know it's the offseason and the slowest time of the year for sports, but my Lord, this is getting nauseating. If there's nothing to it, then they need to put a stop to it and re-take their wedding vows.

TriCitySam wrote:* I want more stars
* I want Antonio Brown
* I want to be involved in selecting coaches
* I want to be involved in making personnel decisions
* I want better protection

Well, he's not management and shouldn’t Be thinking he is. Wanna help? Stop whining every off season, stop holdIng the ball and taking losses. Your plate is over-filled (maybe literally) with outside investments and advisors. Wanna be the best? Brady’s a good example. Work hard, get rid of the ball, make cap-friendly deals, don’t throw your teammates under the bus and shut up.

Show me the quote where he threw anyone under a bus. Not some talking head's click generating spin but the actual quote.

There's a lot of truth in what you say. But it works both ways. If the offense is producing a lot of three and outs then the defense is on the field too long.

But I certainly agree with those who said the tight ends need to be more involved and not just used as linemen.

I dont know Trents, I would be for going with 6 Linemen when facing the Rams!

Sounds like there is a woman behind all this

[quote="Aseahawkfan"]Until the defense is rebuilt, nothing is changing. I worry more about the defense than the O-line. Pete's plan don't work without a super strong defense. At heart he is a defensive guy and his teams need that strong defense to do what he wants to do.[/quote

In the second half of the season the defense was quite decent after being historically bad early in the season although it kind of came apart in the playoff game. Of course 7 points were on the offense.It was also crazy to learn Jamal Adams had been playing with injuries to both shoulders and broken fingers which led to some missed tackles and interception opportunities that turned into big plays for the Rams.

But when the offense can't sustain drive after drive it's tough to play defense. LOB aint coming back.They could do that. That's a historically great defense though.

Had we simply been competent vs the Rams offensively we would have advanced to the divisional. The following week Aaron Rodgers sliced up the Rams like swiss cheese despite his all world left tackle David Bakhtiari out with injury. The same weekend as Russ's dreadful worst ever playoff performance Baker Mayfield beat the #1 pass rushing team in the NFL Steelers with a left tackle he literally met in the locker room before the game. I'm not sure he was ever sacked but despite being one of the guys who usually holds the ball and runs around he didn't that game , making split second decisions to go deep, dump it off, throw it away or take off.

A great defense is always nice but our top 5 QB isnt right now. He was a middle of the pack hack from week 9 on and now he's sounding off about his line and demanding to be the assistant GM.

It would be nice to have a crystal ball into 2021. If this is the Russ we are gonna get from here on out trade him and get the loot before the guy devalues himself throughout the league.

TriCitySam wrote:* I want more stars
* I want Antonio Brown
* I want to be involved in selecting coaches
* I want to be involved in making personnel decisions
* I want better protection

Well, he's not management and shouldn’t Be thinking he is. Wanna help? Stop whining every off season, stop holdIng the ball and taking losses. Your plate is over-filled (maybe literally) with outside investments and advisors. Wanna be the best? Brady’s a good example. Work hard, get rid of the ball, make cap-friendly deals, don’t throw your teammates under the bus and shut up.

I agree with much of this. Especially the off field stuff. My first real recognition of RW getting a little distracted was following a pretty dreadful performance against the Falcons in 2017 in the divisional. Russ seemed a little flippant about having had his season end, in large part due to his play, talking about what a great year it was etc, rah rah we will get em next year. Then he mentioned something about sodo mojo or whatever the big development he was working on for the new arena, using his press conference after the season ended to pump a personal project completely unrelated to his paying job. That's when my antenna went up. This year he trademarked "let russ cook" and it was about the time that news became public that his play started to decline.He's definitely commercialized more all the time.


The Brady comparison is spot on. A guy who always took pay cuts to sign talent in the salary cap era. An immobile statue with 7 rings and a fraction of the sacks per game, not due to the highest paid lines but his quick decision making, pocket awareness and ability to read the field and deliver the ball.His on field leadership is also different. If someone screws up Brady chews their ass in real time, hard, but I can't really recall him whining about having enough players to win in 21 years.
This is the second year in a row now Russ has publicly thrown teammates under the bus ,saying they aren't good enough to win with, he needs better players.Thats called throwing someone under the bus. I assure you every QB in the league would drool over DK and probably Lockett as well. Moore isn't a bad wideout either. Many would prefer the 16th ranked pass blocking and 5th ranked run blocking line to theirs as well.

You go 11-27 and a pick 6 with those guys on the field its not the organizations fault or your teammates. He should have come off the field after that game and said" I sucked" its my fault" because it was. I dont remember the whining when it was contract negotiation time or the staged "hey seattle we got a deal" in bed with Ciara in the middle of the night . I thought it was kind of funny at the time but in hindsight its just a window into the increasingly show biz persona of RW.

I'm really concerned about the future with our QB.

Hawktawk wrote:He should have come off the field after that game and said" I sucked" its my fault" because it was. I don't remember the whining when it was contract negotiation time or the staged "hey seattle we got a deal" in bed with Ciara in the middle of the night . I thought it was kind of funny at the time but in hindsight its just a window into the increasingly show biz persona of RW.

I'm really concerned about the future with our QB.

Agree, Russell has a hard time taking accountability. He will throw in an occasional "I could do better", but immediatly soft pedal it with something about all the great things he does. I heard Ray Roberts yesterday being not very happy with what RW had to say, one thing that really struck me was Ray saying "He talks about protecting his legacy, but it's not just his legacy - it's the other guys legacy too, including the OL". RW spends too much time talking about how how great he's going to be. Wanna talk to yourself in the mirror - great - "This suit seems a little tight". Publicly? Not so great. I know he thinks he's the smartest guy in the room, maybe it's just the way he looks, but sometimes the expression on his face tells a different story.

Hawktawk wrote:He should have come off the field after that game and said" I sucked" its my fault" because it was. I don't remember the whining when it was contract negotiation time or the staged "hey seattle we got a deal" in bed with Ciara in the middle of the night . I thought it was kind of funny at the time but in hindsight its just a window into the increasingly show biz persona of RW.

I'm really concerned about the future with our QB.

TriCitySam wrote:Agree, Russell has a hard time taking accountability. He will throw in an occasional "I could do better", but immediatly soft pedal it with something about all the great things he does. I heard Ray Roberts yesterday being not very happy with what RW had to say, one thing that really struck me was Ray saying "He talks about protecting his legacy, but it's not just his legacy - it's the other guys legacy too, including the OL". RW spends too much time talking about how how great he's going to be. Wanna talk to yourself in the mirror - great - "This suit seems a little tight". Publicly? Not so great. I know he thinks he's the smartest guy in the room, maybe it's just the way he looks, but sometimes the expression on his face tells a different story.

It's really hard for us to parse Russell's words and body language here from our easy chairs. If you read them one way, yes, it could certainly be interpreted negatively as you guys have done, but his intent could just as easily have been the opposite. At this point, I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, but I'll have to admit that I'm more than a little concerned.

RiverDog wrote:Yea, it's a conundrum. Pete's system doesn't work unless you have a top 10 defense yet you have a quarterback that's soaking up a lot of salary and asking for more players to surround him that you have to keep happy. I'm not sure how much longer Pete and Russell can co-exist.

This thing is taking on a life of its own. I can't arrow down my news feed without seeing another article speculating about a Russell trade or where he might end up. I know it's the offseason and the slowest time of the year for sports, but my Lord, this is getting nauseating. If there's nothing to it, then they need to put a stop to it and re-take their wedding vows.

I still don't know why people are fretting after a 12-4 season with a division win where Russell threw 40 TDs. But I guess par for the course for this crazy year.

The only QB been able to win Super Bowls with historically unprecedented consistency is a player you hate named Tom Brady. Everyone other mere mortal QB wishes they were Russell Wilson or relatively equal. Seattle will wish they had Russell Wilson back if they let Russell Wilson go and end up in the toilet again for years.

c_hawkbob wrote:Show me the quote where he threw anyone under a bus. Not some talking head's click generating spin but the actual quote.

That’s how this is being interpreted by former players, and “reportedly” some of his OL. RW has his “team” that speaks for him, and they have made it known that “Russell is unhappy with being hit too much”, and RW confirmed as much in his comments on DP, saying “400 times is way too many, 400 sacks too many and that’s gotta be fixed, has to be fixed......We gotta get better up front.”

I don’t disagree with the premise, but RW is part of the problem. When you say “We gotta get better upfront”, that is clearly a dart at the OL. That conversation is for the locker rooms, not public.

Aseahawkfan wrote:I still don't know why people are fretting after a 12-4 season with a division win where Russell threw 40 TDs. But I guess par for the course for this crazy year.

This isn't "people" that are fretting over the season. This is Russell fretting over the season and people fretting about Russell.

Aseahawkfan wrote:The only QB been able to win Super Bowls with historically unprecedented consistency is a player you hate named Tom Brady. Everyone other mere mortal QB wishes they were Russell Wilson or relatively equal. Seattle will wish they had Russell Wilson back if they let Russell Wilson go and end up in the toilet again for years.

Russell isn't the only starting QB that is experiencing this offseason turmoil. Deshaun Watson has asked for a trade. The marriage between Aaron Rodgers and the Packers is on the rocks. Carson Wentz wants out of Philly. The Rams and Lions have already completed a huge trade of their QB's. I've never seen this kind of collective angst between players and coaches at one position like we're seeing this season. I guess the pandemic has affected the states of minds of players just like it's affected our our states of mind.

I think we would be saying the same things with or without the pandemic. The position of QB is of utmost importance so any time there is some turmoil the fanbase will react quickly and sometimes in extreme fashion.
I think this story has legs. They may be short and stubby or they may be quite long, but there is something going on here that could quickly turn to disaster. Our passing Offense isn't a Timing type of Offense, meaning the plays don't
seem to call for quick 3 or 5 step drops and fire like some of the Holmgren WC Offenses we have had in the past. In those Offenses the QB had to get the ball out of his hands at a precise time and the receiver had to be in a specific spot at a
precise time. In our passing Offense under Wilson and in Pete's tenure, we haven't had a lot of that and it's given Wilson the freedom to extend plays. This puts pressure on the OL because of the extended time required to pass block and
because Wilson can escape to either side. The Rams have more of a timing Offense and maybe the new OC will bring some of that to our Offense to limit the pressure. It would also mean more emphasis on shorter and quicker passes. It doesn't
have to be a lot of change, but enough to be effective when needed.