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Athleltic Article

PostPosted: Thu Feb 25, 2021 4:56 pm
by TriCitySam
The article in the Athletic on the rift between RW and PC is an interesting read. Predictably, Carroll did not like the the 7 turnovers in the two losses before the 1st Cardinal game as he has some basic beliefs about how to win: 1) don't turn the ball over 2) run the ball and 3) have explosive plays in the passing game. Apparently RW had his own ideas about how to run the offense, and when Pete pulled the reins in, he took it as a personal rebuke and was upset. After those two losses while Carroll was saying "I don't recognize that game", and feels it unacceptable, Russ was saying "I know I'm a great football player, I know I've been great and I know I will be great". He sees Pete's style of football as limiting him, and in a meeting with coaches before the Arizona game "pushed for more influence in scheme and personnel" and when his ideas were dismissed he "stormed out of the room", as he sees himself as a player that has "earned greater control over his situation, his future and his legacy". During the SB game, he apparently texted Jake Heaps (his personal QB "coach") and vented about not playing in the game, and then later spoke with Pete about wanting to know the OL plan, which apparently wasn't laid out to RW's satisfaction. Another coach said There's a lot there: money, greed, power and control. Another part of the article goes back a couple years and about a harsh conversation Carroll had with Wilson, in part "scrambling all over the place; missing reads be cause of how he handled the pressure" . Carroll told him to "fix it".

Wow. I know some say this story has no legs and is media driven, but there is increasing evidence that Russ is at odds with Pete and John and that is the reason he went public Also mentioned is that he's taken some heat (being held more accountable by everyone) for the turnovers from the fans and he doesn't like that and "wants to save face".

There's a lot more there, worth reading.

Re: Athleltic Article

PostPosted: Thu Feb 25, 2021 5:53 pm
by RiverDog
You need to be a subscriber to "The Athletic" in order to read the article you mentioned, but I found a couple other articles that references it. Here's some of the content:

But things could be getting grungy up in the Pacific Northwest, The Athletic detailing what appears to be a growing rift between Wilson and the Seahawks in a story published Thursday. Evidently, Wilson's camp has even discussed potential trade scenarios, including at least four specific landing spots: The Las Vegas Raiders, Miami Dolphins, New Orleans Saints and New York Jets. ESPN subsequently reported the Chicago Bears and Dallas Cowboys were on his wish list, along with the Raiders and Saints, but did not mention the Dolphins or Jets.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/n ... 817547002/

And another snippet from a source quoting The Athletic:

According to a report from Michael-Shawn Dugar, Mike Sando and Jayson Jenks of The Athletic, serious rift has developed between Pro Bowl quarterback Russell Wilson and Seattle Seahawks coaches.

The report detailed a tense meeting between the two sides prior to the Seahawks' Week 11 home game against the Arizona Cardinals, which Seattle won 28-21:

"Before the Thursday night game against Arizona, Wilson met with his coaches. For some time, Wilson has sought — even pushed — for influence within the organization regarding scheme and personnel. In the meeting, he outlined his own ideas for how to fix the offense. His suggestions were dismissed, multiple sources told The Athletic — another reminder to Wilson that the Seahawks did not see him the same way he saw himself, as a player who had earned greater control over his situation, his future, his legacy.

He stormed out of the room."

According to the report, Wilson spoke to head coach Pete Carroll about the team's plan to fix the offensive line, which has been a major problem since his 2012 rookie season. However, the plan "wasn’t relayed to him, at least not to Wilson’s satisfaction."


https://www.thesportster.com/football/r ... tinations/

Re: Athleltic Article

PostPosted: Thu Feb 25, 2021 8:36 pm
by Aseahawkfan
Like I said, until we hear it from official sources, it's the media spinning up BS.

Re: Athleltic Article

PostPosted: Thu Feb 25, 2021 9:48 pm
by trents
Well, there seems to have been more substance to the rumors about RW's unhappiness with the situation in Seattle than a lot of us thought to be the case a couple of weeks ago. Seems like the old saying applies here, "Where's there's smoke there's fire."

Something needs to change in this equation. Either Pete needs to loosen up his offensive philosophy or Russ needs to go somewhere else. I really can't see anything but frustration and futility for everyone concerned, including the fans, unless there is change.

Re: Athleltic Article

PostPosted: Thu Feb 25, 2021 10:33 pm
by TriCitySam
Aseahawkfan wrote:Like I said, until we hear it from official sources, it's the media spinning up BS.


Well, there are a number of sources that are in RWs camp, plus Russell confirmed part of it in his media tour so, how deep the frustration? Who knows, but appears real. Pete is pretty approachable, so I don't get the reason for playing this out in the media. If RW wants to stop it, then he needs to get control of his people.

Re: Athleltic Article

PostPosted: Fri Feb 26, 2021 5:13 am
by RiverDog
Aseahawkfan wrote:Like I said, until we hear it from official sources, it's the media spinning up BS.


I generally don't believe unconfirmed reports, either, but this story about a rift between Russell and the Hawks just won't go away. More information keeps trickling out. Whether they're recycled or not, they keep appearing in different publications. There has to be at least some truth to them. As one poster mentioned, the old adage "where there's smoke, there's fire" seems to apply. To continue to ignore them is akin to sticking your head in the sand. Some of you folks are in serious denial, brushing off these reports like an over protective parent blindly defending their child, refusing to believe that they could do anything wrong.

Did anyone else besides me catch the name of one of those media types "spinning up BS" that contributed to the report in "The Athletic"? Our old friend Mike Sando, formerly of the Tacoma News Tribune and a Seahawks beat reporter for 9 years then a reporter for ESPN for 12 years. He's been covering the NFL for the better part of three decades. I'd be very surprised if Sando put his name on a report that was total BS.

Re: Athleltic Article

PostPosted: Fri Feb 26, 2021 11:59 am
by NorthHawk
Russell is very image and media conscious so if none of this happened, he would set the record straight.
His silence actually says a lot.

Re: Athleltic Article

PostPosted: Fri Feb 26, 2021 1:13 pm
by obiken
Well, there are a number of sources that are in RWs camp, plus Russell confirmed part of it in his media tour so, how deep the frustration? Who knows, but appears real. Pete is pretty approachable, so I don't get the reason for playing this out in the media. If RW wants to stop it, then he needs to get control of his people.


Sorry TCS you, river, Bob, need to understand one ugly fact, this isn’t 6 or 7 years ago. We need Russell Wilson now way more than he needs us. If we trade a Russell Wilson for a Derek Carr, we’re done for years.

Re: Athleltic Article

PostPosted: Fri Feb 26, 2021 1:49 pm
by c_hawkbob
Don't worry Obi, it just ain't happening.

Re: Athleltic Article

PostPosted: Fri Feb 26, 2021 1:53 pm
by Agent 86
Here's the article.......

By The Athletic NFL Staff 352
By Michael-Shawn Dugar, Mike Sando and Jayson Jenks

Days before a critical home game against the Cardinals, Russell Wilson met with members of the Seahawks’ coaching staff. It was a time of high tension. In Seattle’s previous two games, Wilson had turned the ball over seven times, and the Seahawks had lost both, first to the Bills, then to the Rams. The offense needed to get on track, and Wilson had ideas on how to make that happen.

Instead, the meeting would come to symbolize the divide between Wilson and the organization.

Pete Carroll has built Hall of Fame credentials on what he sees as simple truths about how the game is best played: Run the ball, avoid turnovers, explode in the passing game. “It is not because we just want to knock our head against a wall,” Carroll once explained. “It is because the game is played well when you don’t give the other team the football. The game is played well when you can convert and make first downs. The game is played well when you can explode on offense.”

Carroll believes that formula in his bones, and over and over again he has won while implementing it. In contrast, Wilson believes that Carroll’s conservative philosophy is limiting his production and, by extension, his ambitions to be one of the game’s all-time greats.

But in the first half of the 2020 season — and in a stark break from years past — Seattle unleashed an all-out aerial attack. Throwing the ball early and often, Wilson put together the best statistical stretch of his career and emerged as the clear front-runner for MVP, an award he covets for the implications it would have on his legacy.

“I’m trying to break away, you know what I mean?” Wilson said at one point early in the season, then named the shadows he was chasing: Brady, Brees, Manning, Montana.

The wheels to Wilson’s MVP campaign rattled loose in a 44-34 loss to the Bills on Nov. 8. Wilson turned the ball over four times, the defense cratered, and Carroll sounded shell-shocked at what he had just watched. “I don’t recognize that game,” he said. “It’s a game that I don’t have any place in my brain for.” It was an uncharacteristic performance from Wilson — and an unacceptable one for Carroll, who dedicates a whole day of practice (Thursday) to turnovers.

In response, he pulled back the reins on Wilson and the offense. Statistically, it wasn’t a seismic shift. Through the first eight games, Seattle led the league on the Cook Index — which measures how frequently teams pass on early downs in the first 28 minutes, before time and score influence play-calling — and ranked seventh thereafter. But it was effectively a rebuke of Wilson, and sources close to the quarterback said it upset him.

A week later, Wilson had his worst game of the season, turning the ball over three more times in an ugly 23-16 loss to the Rams. Wilson appeared almost rattled, and longtime NFL writers Charean Williams and Mike Jones both wrote that the game scuttled Wilson’s MVP hopes. In the locker room afterward, Carroll delivered a harsher-than-usual message about accountability to the entire team and coaching staff. “We got to get our act together,” he told the media while restating the importance of a balanced offense that takes care of the ball. Meanwhile, Wilson reaffirmed his self-belief. “I know that I’m a great football player,” he said. “I know I’ve been great, I know I will be great, and I know I’ll continue to be great.”

Carroll wanted to be more careful with the offense; Wilson wanted to stay the course, trusting in himself.

Before the Thursday night game against Arizona, Wilson met with his coaches. For some time, Wilson has sought — even pushed — for influence within the organization regarding scheme and personnel. In the meeting, he outlined his own ideas for how to fix the offense. His suggestions were dismissed, multiple sources told The Athletic — another reminder to Wilson that the Seahawks did not see him the same way he saw himself, as a player who had earned greater control over his situation, his future, his legacy.

He stormed out of the room.

The Super Bowl this year was a trigger. Wilson flew to Tampa to pick up his Walter Payton Man of the Year award. He and his wife, Ciara, watched the game in a suite next to NFL commissioner Roger Goodell, and as Tom Brady battled Patrick Mahomes on the field below, Wilson seethed. During the game, he texted Jake Heaps, his former teammate and private quarterback coach, to vent about watching the game instead of playing in it.

Wilson later spoke with Carroll, according to a source, to talk about the way the Seahawks addressed the offensive line, an issue that had bothered Wilson for years. He wanted to know the team’s plan, but it wasn’t relayed to him, at least not to Wilson’s satisfaction, the source said. Carroll implored him to have faith.

But after the Super Bowl, Wilson took his message public.

That Monday, CBS’ Jason La Canfora tweeted that “Russell Wilson’s camp” was frustrated with his pass protection and called it “a situation worth monitoring.” The next day, Wilson went on “The Dan Patrick Show” and said he wanted to be more involved with the organization. He was asked about the almost 400 times he has been sacked over his nine-year career: “That’s a big thing that we gotta fix, that’s gotta be fixed.” He brought up Brady, a player whose status he craves, and the play of Tampa Bay’s offensive line in the Super Bowl: “He wasn’t touched really.” Several times he mentioned his “legacy,” as well as his goal to play 10 to 15 more years, just like Brady.

On a Zoom call with Seattle reporters that same day, Wilson was asked if he was frustrated with the Seahawks. “I’m frustrated with getting hit too much,” he said. Ex-Seahawk Brandon Marshall said Wilson was “beyond frustrated” with the team and added that Wilson “is trying to figure out how to move on in a classy way.” Patrick echoed the QB’s desire for urgency and, citing a source, said the “current situation is unsustainable.” By then, La Canfora had even listed possible trade destinations for Wilson: the Raiders, Dolphins, Saints and Jets among them.

Growing up, Wilson’s idols were Derek Jeter and Drew Brees, an interesting contrast. Brees won only one Super Bowl in 20 seasons — and never won an MVP — but he overcame physical limitations to put up record-breaking stats. Jeter racked up World Series titles and clutch plays, his legacy defined by winning. A decade into his career, Wilson hasn’t won like Jeter, and he hasn’t put up numbers like Brees. Wilson and the people around him believe the Seahawks are partly responsible.

“The reason that we’re here is because he’s on pace to be the most sacked quarterback in the history of the NFL,” said Robert Turbin, Wilson’s former teammate and a groomsman at his wedding.

Others see the situation differently after Wilson had the worst stretch of his career in the season’s final eight games, ranking 28th in yards per attempt, one spot below the Cincinnati Bengals’ Brandon Allen.

“He’s finally catching heat,” one person told The Athletic. “That’s the main reason for all of this. … People are talking and holding him accountable because he’s one of the highest-paid quarterbacks, he says he wants to be the greatest, so now people are holding him to that standard.”

“It’s a PR game,” that person added. “He’s trying to protect himself.”

Another source agreed: “What he’s trying to do is save face.”

Wilson and Carroll have won at least nine games in each of nine seasons together. They have made the playoffs every season but one, won a Super Bowl and lost another. But the Seahawks haven’t reached the NFC Championship game since 2014, and Wilson’s frustration has escalated to the point that his camp has broached potential trade destinations with the Seahawks. According to sources, those teams include ones mentioned in La Canfora’s column the day of the Super Bowl: the Dolphins, Jets, Saints and Raiders. (On Thursday, Wilson’s agent told ESPN’s Adam Schefter the quarterback would only consider going to the Saints, Raiders, Bears or Cowboys in a potential trade.) Some people around the league think a trade could happen, if not this offseason then sometime in the near future.

“It’s a great story,” a coach from another team said. “There is a lot there — money, greed, power and control.”

In March 2018, much of the NFL world gathered at the University of Wyoming for Josh Allen’s pro day. Reps from teams without established quarterbacks filled the indoor fieldhouse to watch Allen, a potential top-10 pick. The Giants sent coach Pat Shurmur. The Broncos sent personnel analyst Gary Kubiak. The Browns sent general manager John Dorsey and seven others from the organization.

And then there was Seahawks general manager John Schneider, whose team held the 18th pick and already had Wilson, a two-time Super Bowl quarterback who had just led the league in touchdown passes. For Schneider, it was simply due diligence, no different from Packers coach Mike McCarthy attending Sam Bradford’s pro day while Aaron Rodgers was entering his prime. Schneider had been with the Packers front office when Brett Favre was still their starter and Rodgers had unexpectedly fell in the first round, a lesson that stuck with him.

“The most important people in the building,” Schneider told reporters after the Wyoming visit, “are the head coach and the quarterback.”

From day one, Carroll and Schneider said they would have no sacred cows. They would be involved in every deal, scout every player. They signed free-agent quarterback Matt Flynn to a $26 million deal in the 2012 offseason and then, 40 days later, drafted Wilson in the third round and started him Week 1.

A year before the Allen draft, the Seahawks had fallen in love with Patrick Mahomes and, according to sources at the time, were prepared to select him late in the first round if the future league MVP was still on the board. Schneider felt the same way about Mahomes coming out of college as he’d felt about Wilson, sources said, and there was no way he could pass him up.

Wilson’s camp saw the Seahawks’ interest in Allen as an unwelcome surprise. Amid significant roster turnover — veterans Richard Sherman, Jimmy Graham, Michael Bennett, Cliff Avril and Kam Chancellor were either gone or on their way out — reports surfaced that Mark Rodgers, Wilson’s agent, called Schneider for clarification on the quarterback’s status. Jim Trotter of the NFL Network wondered if Wilson might “push the button to move on” if the 2018 season didn’t go well. Around the same time, La Canfora wondered if Wilson might be “contemplating his football mortality with the offensive line still a significant concern.”

The offensive line had become Wilson’s biggest grievance, but from a Seahawks perspective, funneling resources toward re-signing Chancellor, Sherman, Bennett, Earl Thomas, Bobby Wagner, K.J. Wright and Marshawn Lynch had made more sense than prioritizing offensive linemen Russell Okung, James Carpenter, J.R. Sweezy, Breno Giacomini and others who signed multiyear deals elsewhere.

Wilson’s own contract played a role in the tradeoff. The Seahawks spent heavily on the offensive line during Wilson’s first three years, when the quarterback was on his rookie contract. But that changed after Wilson signed a massive extension before the 2015 season. With his new contract consuming more than 15 percent of the cap, up from less than 1 percent previously, the Seahawks dropped from the top 10 in cap spending for the offensive line to the bottom five.

From Wilson’s standpoint, the offensive line wasn’t good enough, period.

In 2015, he threw for a then-career-high 34 touchdowns against eight interceptions while playing behind a bottom-five offensive line. The 2016 season — when Wilson suffered leg injuries early in the year but started every game behind Pro Football Focus’ last-ranked pass-blocking line — was much of the same. Wilson hired a nutritionist after the season to trim weight and re-tool his body. He figured if he was going to take a beating, he needed to be prepared.

Lacking a consistent run game in 2017, Wilson accounted for 37 of Seattle’s 38 touchdowns, led the team in the rushing, led the league in passing TDs and returned to the Pro Bowl — all while again playing behind one of the league’s lowest-graded offensive lines. But the Seahawks thought Wilson was also part of the problem. At halftime of the final game, with a playoff berth on the line and the Seahawks down 20-7, Carroll sat at Wilson’s locker. The offense was struggling, Wilson was scrambling all over the place, and he missed reads because of how he handled the pressure. A major criticism from Seahawks players over the years is that Carroll has been too gentle with Wilson. But in the locker room Carroll said he spoke to Wilson critically and urgently “in a way that he hasn’t heard me talk to him.”

“Fix it,” Carroll told him.

Wilson did, but Seattle still lost, finishing the year 9-7 and missing the playoffs for the only time in Wilson’s nine seasons.

Carroll said Wilson had a “fantastic” year but added “he can be better.” The coach then jumped in front of any judgments about his willingness to speak harsh truths about his quarterback. “Russ wants to be criticized,” Carroll said. “Russ needs to be criticized. He wants to be great.”

One week later, Carroll fired his offensive coordinator of seven seasons, Darrell Bevell, and reassigned Carl Smith, the team’s longtime quarterback coach. When Carroll hired Brian Schottenheimer to replace Bevell, he emphasized that the staff changes were made in hopes of “challenging” Wilson “like he’s never been challenged before.”

Meanwhile, word reached those around Wilson that the Seahawks and Browns had discussed a possible trade involving Wilson and Cleveland’s No. 1 overall pick in the 2018 draft — another surprise that led Wilson to secure a no-trade clause in his next contract.

If the 2018 offseason was when Wilson felt the Seahawks cast doubt on his future in Seattle, the quarterback and his camp turned the tables in the spring of the following year. Ahead of Wilson’s second tense contract negotiation with the Seahawks, another round of rumors popped up about his future and whether he wanted to be in Seattle at all.

Roughly two weeks after Seattle’s frustrating 24-22 loss to Dallas in the 2019 wild-card round, Wilson and Ciara signed with talent-management monolith Creative Artist Agency (CAA) to help the couple with their interests in the entertainment industry. CAA represents hundreds of athletes and entertainers, so the messaging could have been coincidental, but not long after Wilson signed on with the agency, word suggesting he could possibly leave Seattle for the New York Giants filtered through CAA clients. Fox Sports’ Colin Cowherd cited a rumor from the “entertainment agent world” that Ciara would prefer to live in New York to further her music career. Cowherd implied such a move would benefit Wilson’s status as well. NFL safety Tyrann Mathieu tweeted, “Russ wants New York. But you ain’t heard that from T.” Asked about the rumor on “The Tonight Show” — hosted by Jimmy Fallon, who along with Cowherd and Mathieu are CAA clients — Wilson laughed it off.

“I’m not sure if the Seahawks are going to let me get away,” Wilson said. “I love Seattle. Seattle is a special place.”

A few weeks after his appearance on “The Tonight Show,” Wilson gave the team a hard deadline: The two sides had until midnight on April 15 to agree to an extension, or else Wilson would play out his deal and test the market. On the day of the deadline, after reports suggested a deal would not get done, Wilson and the Seahawks agreed to a four-year, $140 million extension, the richest contract in league history. Wilson wore a Sonics jacket to his news conference and made clear what sealed the deal for him: a no-trade clause requiring the Seahawks to secure his blessing before sending him anywhere else. Wilson held as much power as at any point of his career — and he wanted Carroll to open up the offense.

In 2018, the Seahawks had run the ball more frequently than any team since Tim Tebow’s Broncos. That changed some in 2019, but Carroll’s reluctance to turn his quarterback loose early in games remained a lingering frustration for Wilson.

It wasn’t personal from Carroll’s standpoint. Carroll took special pride in the Seahawks at one point going 95 consecutive games without losing by 10 or more points, the longest streak in league history by 21 games. That cannot happen, Carroll believes, without risk avoidance.

Wilson believes otherwise. If the Seahawks were more aggressive, they could score more points early, freeing him up from having to play Superman so frequently in the fourth quarter. It happened again in the divisional round of the 2019 playoffs, when Seattle fell behind, 21-3, in Green Bay. Wilson rallied the team in the fourth quarter, but the Seahawks still lost to the Packers, 28-23.

The defeat seemed to harden Wilson’s stance. He spent part of last offseason lobbying for a more aggressive approach, according to a person familiar with the situation. Carroll pushed back. Wilson kept pleading his case, going so far as to offer his input on personnel decisions, and sources said Wilson and other team leaders have indeed been consulted before the team made high-profile acquisitions such as Jamal Adams, Jadeveon Clowney, Duane Brown, Jimmy Graham, Quandre Diggs, Greg Olsen and Josh Gordon.

At last year’s Pro Bowl, Wilson was asked if Seattle had enough talent to contend for championships. It was a question he once might have brushed off; this time, he said no. Wilson said he wanted superstars on defense, more pieces on offense and young stars in the draft. In a separate interview at the Super Bowl that year, he went on the offensive again, saying Seattle needed more of an up-tempo, attacking offense. He lobbied for the “freedom” to go out and score as many points as possible.

“That’s kind of what the Chiefs do,” Wilson said, before adding: “We’re going to try and figure that out and see if we can get back here. Quickly.”

The 2020 season was the turning point — or, maybe, the breaking point. The offense started on a historic pace, putting Wilson in the Hall of Fame company he so badly wants to keep.

Seattle averaged a league-leading 4.5 offensive touchdowns per game through the season’s first half, a pace exceeded since 2000 by only three teams: Peyton Manning’s 2013 Denver Broncos, Tom Brady’s 2007 New England Patriots and Kurt Warner’s 2000 St. Louis Rams — historically great offenses led by quarterbacks who won MVPs in each of those seasons.

The best stretch of Wilson’s career had come after Carroll agreed to “Let Russ Cook.” Wilson welcomed the shift so much he filed a trademark application for the phrase — a fan slogan that had implored the Seahawks to turn the offense over to their $35 million-a-year quarterback — with the intention of selling cookware and utensils to benefit charity. But the offense never quite felt like that of a Carroll-coached team, and it didn’t go unnoticed by those close to Wilson that the coach only rarely mentioned “Seahawk football,” as he tends to do when the formula is pounding the ball and playing elite defense.

Facing better defenses in the second half of the schedule, Wilson and the offense bogged down. Seattle averaged only 2.4 offensive touchdowns per game, 18th in the league and six spots below the Mitch Trubisky-led Chicago Bears. It wasn’t only because Carroll passed less frequently on early downs. Something wasn’t right. Wilson wasn’t right.

During a 17-12 loss to the Colt McCoy-led Giants in early December, a game in which the offense scored only 10 points, Wilson dropped back and set up in a clean pocket. He held the ball longer than four seconds and had plenty of space around him, only to take a sack, a play indicative of Wilson’s struggles down the stretch.

“What the f*** is wrong with Russell Wilson?” a veteran coach who watched the game said at the time. “He is seeing ghosts. They act like they are not protecting him, but he kills the protection. There are times they got a clean pocket, he runs up in there, he just panics. He is not playing very good at all.”

“People say their protection is not that good,” the coach went on. “That whole ‘Let Russ Cook’ thing, he is better when they can run the ball and they play off that, there is no question. No one likes that because they want him to be Dan Marino. Well, he is not Dan Marino. You are who you are. But he looks bad right now.”

There were other issues this season, too. Those close to Wilson feel as though the pillars upon which Carroll has built his program — namely competition and accountability — are applied only selectively, especially as it pertains to the coach and his sons. This past season, receivers coach Nate Carroll, who has worked under his father since 2010, briefly stepped away from the job in frustration over his role before returning to the team, sources told The Athletic. Nate made his unhappiness known to players, sources said. For Wilson and those around him, the disruption validated a long-held complaint: Carroll, and by extension his sons, answer to no one.

When asked last month who in the building can tell him harsh and uncomfortable truths, Carroll named former assistant Carl (Tater) Smith, John Schneider and his two sons, Brennan and Nate. Smith left the Seahawks before the 2019 season, and Brennan Carroll left after the 2020 season to coach in college. Only Nate Carroll remains.

“Over the years I have lost a couple guys,” Carroll said. “Tater would tell me anything. He was awesome. I demanded it of him because he knew the truth and he needed to speak to me. I have lost a few guys like that. It is something I’m looking at.”

As Wilson seeks to hold Carroll and the organization accountable, others question whether anyone can do the same for the quarterback himself. That has been a sensitive subject ever since Sports Illustrated and ESPN published stories years ago suggesting Carroll coddled Wilson to the detriment of the team. After Richard Sherman picked off Wilson in a June 2014 practice, then yelled at the young quarterback and threw the ball at him, Carroll met with team leaders and told them to take it easier on Wilson. Carroll, multiple sources said, protected and enabled Wilson, undermining the two words he had built his whole program on: Always compete.

This current situation with Wilson, several sources believe, is the inevitable consequence of that special treatment.

The 2020 season ended with another early playoff loss, this time to the Rams in the wild-card round. Wilson threw a pick-six in the first half, and his offensive line had one of its worst performances of the year. The game was a Rorschach test: Was Carroll to blame? Was Wilson?

After the loss, Carroll fired Schottenheimer, the offensive coordinator he had brought in to challenge Wilson. Wilson wanted to be involved in the process to hire Schottenheimer’s replacement, and he was, meeting with candidates, including Rams’ passing game coordinator Shane Waldron, whom the Seahawks hired with Wilson’s endorsement.

But then Wilson watched Brady and Mahomes advance to the Super Bowl. Brady had hand-picked his new team and brought in players he wanted, including receiver Antonio Brown, whom Wilson had privately worked out with and publicly lobbied for the Seahawks to sign. Mahomes was in his second consecutive Super Bowl, playing for a coach whose wide-open offensive system had turned him loose.

Seven years ago, it was Carroll and Wilson on that stage, the beginning of something special. The Seahawks crushed Peyton Manning and the Broncos that night, and in the game’s final minutes, Wilson snuck up the sideline and dumped Gatorade over Carroll’s head. Wilson’s marriage with the Seahawks has been a success by any measure: one Super Bowl win, two Super Bowl appearances, more wins than any team other than the Patriots. But their future together seems less certain than it should given those results.

Asked if Wilson will be the Seahawks’ quarterback in 2021, a source close to the quarterback answered with just two words.

“Good question …”

Re: Athleltic Article

PostPosted: Fri Feb 26, 2021 2:05 pm
by TriCitySam
obiken wrote:
Sorry TCS you, river, Bob, need to understand one ugly fact, this isn’t 6 or 7 years ago. We need Russell Wilson now way more than he needs us. If we trade a Russell Wilson for a Derek Carr, we’re done for years.


Obi, not sure what you're referring to, but I don't think I ever said or indicated we should trade him. I agree the club would be worse off if this falls apart, and it's just not financially feasible. What I did say was that I don't get what RW's end game is. PC and JS run the team, and for the time being that's not gonna change. Nor should it - they have had the 2nd most successful run in the NFL over the past decade. Managers manage and players play. PC and JS are very approachable, but that doesn't mean they're gonna forego core beliefs just because RW wants to do it his way and I don't know of a good coach that would.

Having said that, if you look at the play selection after that meeting, this was still a pass heavy offense. But RW didn't play very well - as quoted by a coach in the article.

Previously, Sherman (and others) were upset because Pete gave too much deference to RW, now RW thinks he's not getting enough. I think there's room to improve on all sides, but what I hear RW saying mostly is "I'm great. I may get some sacks from holding the ball too long but I make big plays". Not everyone agrees with that strategy. It's gonna take some effort on all sides to improve the offense and hopefully they'll keep it out of the public view and fix it.

Re: Athleltic Article

PostPosted: Fri Feb 26, 2021 2:27 pm
by RiverDog
Agent 86 wrote:Here's the article.......

By The Athletic NFL Staff 352
By Michael-Shawn Dugar, Mike Sando and Jayson Jenks


Thanks, 86!

Now I see what Sam was talking about. That was an amazing piece. I'm not sure how anyone can read that article and still believe that this rift between Russell and Pete is nothing but a creation of the media. If even a fraction of that article is true, we have some major problems.

Re: Athleltic Article

PostPosted: Fri Feb 26, 2021 2:45 pm
by TriCitySam
Interestingly - but just someone who kind of grates on me - is the info in there regarding what RW was tweeting to Jake Heaps during the SB. After the SB, Heaps said on his show that RW had tweeted him several times during the game, but stated that it was in confidence between him and Russ and wouldn't say what about. In this article, it has Heaps indeed revealing what the tweets were about....despite what Heaps says, he's a mouthpiece for RW on KIRO. Personally, if I was RW I would stay away from that kind of stuff - including the PR firm he has hired - and focus on my football career. I said several months ago that he has a lot of irons in the fire and a lot of people in his ear - not necessarily a good thing.

Re: Athleltic Article

PostPosted: Fri Feb 26, 2021 5:16 pm
by Aseahawkfan
Until an official source from Russell's camp or the Seahawks confirm it, it's just of bunch of gossipy sports journalist crows trying to start crap in boring Seattle.

Just like they tried to do during Russ's contract negotiation. I heard the same type of crap then. I guess people forget those times when the media tried the same crap. Ciara doesn't want to live here. Russ is unhappy and wants to be in a bigger market. Blah, blah, blah. Same old rubbish being lapped up by some Seattle fans during an boring offseason.

Re: Athleltic Article

PostPosted: Fri Feb 26, 2021 7:58 pm
by TriCitySam
Aseahawkfan wrote:Until an official source from Russell's camp or the Seahawks confirm it, it's just of bunch of gossipy sports journalist crows trying to start crap in boring Seattle.

Just like they tried to do during Russ's contract negotiation. I heard the same type of crap then. I guess people forget those times when the media tried the same crap. Ciara doesn't want to live here. Russ is unhappy and wants to be in a bigger market. Blah, blah, blah. Same old rubbish being lapped up by some Seattle fans during an boring offseason.


Think what you want, but three facts: Russ confirmed his dissatisfaction with Dan Patrick and Jake Heaps IS RW's personal "QB"" coach, and RW's agent confirmed RW's dissatisfaction. So not sure what you think is "official". Finally, if just rubbish, RW could easily let it be know that it is. He has not. As River said, where there's smoke, there's fire.....and there have been a number of sources close to RW and the team that have publicly acknowledged there is an issue. Could be some real misstatements in the article - but likely more than a grain or two of truth.

Re: Athleltic Article

PostPosted: Fri Feb 26, 2021 8:41 pm
by Aseahawkfan
TriCitySam wrote:Think what you want, but three facts: Russ confirmed his dissatisfaction with Dan Patrick and Jake Heaps IS RW's personal "QB"" coach, and RW's agent confirmed RW's dissatisfaction. So not sure what you think is "official". Finally, if just rubbish, RW could easily let it be know that it is. He has not. As River said, where there's smoke, there's fire.....and there have been a number of sources close to RW and the team that have publicly acknowledged there is an issue. Could be some real misstatements in the article - but likely more than a grain or two of truth.


Official is Russell making the demand himself public or his agent as in a clear statement from one or both.

None of those are official sources. I've read the articles. Some gossipy jackass getting paid for this stuff saw some texts and is selling them to some journalist to start a story. RW did not make his dissatisfaction public on Dan Patrick. He stated the obvious. Nowhere did he call anyone out, say he was leaving, or say anything other than yeah, we need to cut that down. How that has been interpreted as Russ wanting a trade or being unhappy is ridiculous.

You tell me the last time the Seahawks or Russell said anything when the fans and the media were spinning crap up? Let me know. Because as far as I know following this team under Pete and even Holmgren, they let the gossipy fans and sports media say what they want on their forums and social media, while saying nothing. Because they don't care what a bunch of gossipy people think. It's not their job to calm stupid talk down.

I heard the same sources during Russ's contract negotiation and it amounted to nothing. It's all so much BS until it comes from an official source.

Re: Athleltic Article

PostPosted: Sat Feb 27, 2021 2:13 am
by RiverDog
Aseahawkfan wrote:Official is Russell making the demand himself public or his agent as in a clear statement from one or both.

None of those are official sources. I've read the articles. Some gossipy jackass getting paid for this stuff saw some texts and is selling them to some journalist to start a story. RW did not make his dissatisfaction public on Dan Patrick. He stated the obvious. Nowhere did he call anyone out, say he was leaving, or say anything other than yeah, we need to cut that down. How that has been interpreted as Russ wanting a trade or being unhappy is ridiculous.

You tell me the last time the Seahawks or Russell said anything when the fans and the media were spinning crap up? Let me know. Because as far as I know following this team under Pete and even Holmgren, they let the gossipy fans and sports media say what they want on their forums and social media, while saying nothing. Because they don't care what a bunch of gossipy people think. It's not their job to calm stupid talk down.

I heard the same sources during Russ's contract negotiation and it amounted to nothing. It's all so much BS until it comes from an official source.


Did you even bother to read the article from The Athletic that Sam referenced and 86 copied/pasted? It's very detailed, laid out like a road map.

Stories don't have to be official or public in order for them to be true. As a matter of fact, many if not most true stories of this nature start out as rumors, like Brady's rift between Belichick and the Patriots or Urban Meyer's return to coaching. You're acting like the naïve wife that's in denial and refuses to listen to others telling her that her husband is cheating on her.

Normally I wouldn't put much weight in these rumors and I didn't with this one at first. But this one has legs. It's been persistent, no one has come forward to deny them, they've referenced direct quotes from Pete and Russell, they've come from multiple sources quoting named individuals with a personal relationship with Russell (Brandon Marshall, Robert Turbin, Jake Heaps), and they've come from a reporter in Mike Sando that has covered NFL football for nearly 30 years and of whose musings I've read and trusted for over 15 years.

Re: Athleltic Article

PostPosted: Sat Feb 27, 2021 1:45 pm
by Hawk Sista
Agreed! Sando, Turbin, Heaps etc. legitimize the deep concern. When RW did speak, he echoed the sentiments being captured here. It really is a giant bummer, no matter whose side you take. :(

Re: Athleltic Article

PostPosted: Sat Feb 27, 2021 2:59 pm
by TriCitySam
Hawk Sista wrote:Agreed! Sando, Turbin, Heaps etc. legitimize the deep concern. When RW did speak, he echoed the sentiments being captured here. It really is a giant bummer, no matter whose side you take. :(


Yeah, RW did echo it as has his agent. A lot of things I don't get about this, but one big issue is: given the cap restraints and the HUGE challenge they have with all the free agents (AND Jamal), trying to keep their "D" together - how does RW expect them to do this - if he really cares only about "winning". If they spend the $ on OL and lose a bunch of these guys, he can throw the ball all over the yard and lose because the D sucks.

Re: Athleltic Article

PostPosted: Sat Feb 27, 2021 7:53 pm
by Aseahawkfan
RiverDog wrote:Did you even bother to read the article from The Athletic that Sam referenced and 86 copied/pasted? It's very detailed, laid out like a road map.

Stories don't have to be official or public in order for them to be true. As a matter of fact, many if not most true stories of this nature start out as rumors, like Brady's rift between Belichick and the Patriots or Urban Meyer's return to coaching. You're acting like the naïve wife that's in denial and refuses to listen to others telling her that her husband is cheating on her.

Normally I wouldn't put much weight in these rumors and I didn't with this one at first. But this one has legs. It's been persistent, no one has come forward to deny them, they've referenced direct quotes from Pete and Russell, they've come from multiple sources quoting named individuals with a personal relationship with Russell (Brandon Marshall, Robert Turbin, Jake Heaps), and they've come from a reporter in Mike Sando that has covered NFL football for nearly 30 years and of whose musings I've read and trusted for over 15 years.


I don't care. I told you that until I see an official source, this is rumor mongering no matter what road map or story or smoke you think is there.

If you want to buy into BS and hope it turns out to be true so you can , "See, they were right." Have at it. I'll wait until an official source confirms something.\

You may have a short-term memory, but this same BS occurred during Russ's contract negotiation. Turned out to be much ado about nothing. Heard all the rumors of Russ's unhappiness and the like. Nothing came of it.

Just a bunch of bored fans spinning things up just like the yearly offensive line complaints, talk of the team not winning a Super Bowl and why, and the usual yearly rubbish people are spinning up as they imagine some rosier future when Pete is gone or Russ or John. Same crap, different year. Happens nearly every year when we don't win a Super Bowl.

Re: Athleltic Article

PostPosted: Sat Feb 27, 2021 10:11 pm
by NorthHawk
Wilson and his team released a list of teams he’s willing to be traded to.
That means they’ve discussed moving on. Players that are happy or at least truly believe that things can be worked out don’t give out
lists of approved destinations. If he stays this year and things aren’t improved offensively he will probably be gone next year.

Re: Athleltic Article

PostPosted: Sun Feb 28, 2021 5:59 am
by RiverDog
Aseahawkfan wrote:You may have a short-term memory, but this same BS occurred during Russ's contract negotiation. Turned out to be much ado about nothing. Heard all the rumors of Russ's unhappiness and the like. Nothing came of it.


You seem to be indicating that it's a binary decision: Either it's official and true or unofficial and false. That's not how it works.

The fact that Russell re-signed a contract with us is not proof that the rumors we heard earlier, ie that his wife wanted him in a media center, etc, were false. It is very possible that those rumors could have been 100% accurate, just not significant enough to cause Russell to go elsewhere.

It's the same thing in this situation. Russell and Pete might jointly appear on national TV, embrace each other, host a pep rally with fans screaming "Go!"..."Seahawks!" at each other, and salute the 12th man flag, and if they were to do so, it would not necessarily mean that all we've heard up until now was false. It's quite possible that everything we've heard is absolutely true but they still are able to meet, bury the hatchet and resolve their differences, and decided to move on as Seahawks.

Re: Athleltic Article

PostPosted: Sun Feb 28, 2021 9:32 pm
by Aseahawkfan
RiverDog wrote:You seem to be indicating that it's a binary decision: Either it's official and true or unofficial and false. That's not how it works.

The fact that Russell re-signed a contract with us is not proof that the rumors we heard earlier, ie that his wife wanted him in a media center, etc, were false. It is very possible that those rumors could have been 100% accurate, just not significant enough to cause Russell to go elsewhere.

It's the same thing in this situation. Russell and Pete might jointly appear on national TV, embrace each other, host a pep rally with fans screaming "Go!"..."Seahawks!" at each other, and salute the 12th man flag, and if they were to do so, it would not necessarily mean that all we've heard up until now was false. It's quite possible that everything we've heard is absolutely true but they still are able to meet, bury the hatchet and resolve their differences, and decided to move on as Seahawks.


Horsecrap. You and Northhawk may not bother to pay attention to how Pete and John operate, but I do. We've had players far more unhappy than Russell and Pete and John didn't budge on a trade. Not once. The entire Legion of Boom save for Browner demanded trades and whined and whined, Pete and John didn't give them what they wanted. So you and Northawk due to rumors written by a bunch of NFL hacks looking to stir up juicy rumors during the offseason are somehow more valid than you as a Seattle fan knowing your team management has operated for the last decade.

None of that matters to you eh? None of what you know Pete and John have done in the past matters, what's more "accurate" and real to you and Northawk are a bunch of stupid rumors.

I have to SMH at this.

Re: Athleltic Article

PostPosted: Sun Feb 28, 2021 9:34 pm
by Aseahawkfan
NorthHawk wrote:Wilson and his team released a list of teams he’s willing to be traded to.
That means they’ve discussed moving on. Players that are happy or at least truly believe that things can be worked out don’t give out
lists of approved destinations. If he stays this year and things aren’t improved offensively he will probably be gone next year.


https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2021/feb/25/russell-wilson-trade-seahawks-nfl-football-cowboys-bears-raiders-saints


Russell Wilson has no interest in a trade. Neither do Pete and John. Listing some teams his agent said is nothing more speculative BS.

Re: Athleltic Article

PostPosted: Sun Mar 07, 2021 6:44 pm
by Hawktawk
The article has the ring of truth to it with far more details than one would likely just make up to sell copy. Some is provable like the Josh Allen dalliance which as I recall raised a bit of a stink at the time in Wilsons camp. I wasn't aware of the interest in mahomes but I'm sure it was true. Its worth remembering the Hawks were set to snap up Tannehill had he been available in 2012 at which point Russ probably wouldn't even have been drafted by Seattle. As for rumors of Pete codling Russ its been interesting to see how he has approached him throughout his career. I've certainly not heard many negative things to the press despite some bad games over the years . It took Arians one game to light up the GOAT"he looked like Tom Brady in practice" :D :D

But I specifically recall Carroll's comments after the 2017 season ender vs AZ saying that the game had been "hard for Russ". Not too difficult to believe he might have lit him up in the locker room at the half. I agree with the unnamed coach who said he was really playing bad in the second half of the season, scared, confused,panicked. That's what i saw and its what I wrote on this forum. For the first time in his career Russ is hearing footsteps, seeing the rush and not the field. he's seeing ghosts. Its true. Is that who he is now or was the second half of 2020 an aberration? Saying you're tired of getting hit as a football QB is akin to admitting youre scared isn't it?

I think its truly an ugly mess. I love what Russells done over the years but he's really poisoning the well now. Its about politics and saving face for everyone because it would/will be one of the most controversial trades in league history. Its truly a bummer. :(

I really cant see him moving this year minus some multi team blockbuster involving other big name QBs but its likely the last year for the marriage here.

Re: Athleltic Article

PostPosted: Mon Mar 08, 2021 1:55 am
by obiken
We were pissed in PDX when Calib Porter and the Timbers parted ways. I think it was about paying Darlington Nagby's salary. It will be years before we know the truth. However, he has since won a title, and we haven't, the thing has the same feel to it as the RW vs PC thing.

Re: Athleltic Article

PostPosted: Mon Mar 08, 2021 2:38 am
by Aseahawkfan
I post an article with Russell's agent clearly stating he doesn't want to be traded, but somehow The Athletic article rings more true? Strange.

Re: Athleltic Article

PostPosted: Mon Mar 08, 2021 5:26 am
by RiverDog
Aseahawkfan wrote:I post an article with Russell's agent clearly stating he doesn't want to be traded, but somehow The Athletic article rings more true? Strange.


The reason is that Rogers is making oxymoronic statements. In one sentence, he claims that Russell doesn't want to be traded yet in the very next breath, he lists the teams that Russell would be good being traded to. Typical lawyer mixing truths and half truths. Both statements can't be true, at least not in their entirety. If Russell absolutely didn't want a trade, he wouldn't come out with a list of teams he'd be willing to go to. It would be more accurate to say that Russell isn't demanding a trade but if one happens, he'd be good with it so long as it's to a team that meets his requirements.

My take on that statement is that Russell is making a power play trying to foist his views onto Pete and the Seahawks. Star QB vs. veteran head coach. Unfortunately this situation isn't unique to Pete and Russell. It's a sad commentary on the state of professional sports where the inmates are running the asylum. Vince Lombardi is rolling over in his grave.

This story has more drama to it than Prince Harry and Meghan vs. the Royal family.

Re: Athleltic Article

PostPosted: Mon Mar 08, 2021 6:04 am
by c_hawkbob
RiverDog wrote:
The reason is that Rogers is making oxymoronic statements. In one sentence, he claims that Russell doesn't want to be traded yet in the very next breath, he lists the teams that Russell would be good being traded to. Typical lawyer mixing truths and half truths. Both statements can't be true, at least not in their entirety. If Russell absolutely didn't want a trade, he wouldn't come out with a list of teams he'd be willing to go to. It would be more accurate to say that Russell isn't demanding a trade but if one happens, he'd be good with it so long as it's to a team that meets his requirements.

My take on that statement is that Russell is making a power play trying to foist his views onto Pete and the Seahawks. Star QB vs. veteran head coach. Unfortunately this situation isn't unique to Pete and Russell. It's a sad commentary on the state of professional sports where the inmates are running the asylum. Vince Lombardi is rolling over in his grave.

This story has more drama to it than Prince Harry and Meghan vs. the Royal family.

Oh the hell they can't. There is nothing about "Russ doesn't want to be traded" that cancels out "but if he were it would only be to these teams", especially not when it's the agent doing the talking. The first is not an absolute. You're reading "doesn't want to be" as "will not accept". That's on you, not Rogers.

Re: Athleltic Article

PostPosted: Mon Mar 08, 2021 6:54 am
by Hawktawk
Rodgers is a handful as an agent with his baseball background and he has no
Interest in advising his client to restructure in a down cap year to get those pieces he says he needs . I’ve always seen Rodgers as a weasel like most agents . Living off someone else’s talent. It’s ridiculous to say he isn’t mealy mouthed to say Russ doesn’t want a trade then list teams he would play for . Both sides are wrong but it looks like Russ the team player who used to end every interview with “ go hawks “ is morphing into a power hungry prima Donna .

Re: Athleltic Article

PostPosted: Mon Mar 08, 2021 7:04 am
by c_hawkbob
used to end every interview with “ go hawks “


Still does.

Re: Athleltic Article

PostPosted: Mon Mar 08, 2021 7:15 am
by RiverDog
Hawktawk wrote:It’s ridiculous to say he (Rogers) isn’t mealy mouthed to say Russ doesn’t want a trade then list teams he would play for. Both sides are wrong but it looks like Russ the team player who used to end every interview with “ go hawks “ is morphing into a power hungry prima Donna.


That's my point exactly.

I do agree that he's no longer the mom, apple pie, and the girl next door Russell that we knew and loved in his first few years. He's a different person. But I'm hesitant to consider him a prima Donna, at least not until we hear something directly from him rather than his agent or other surrogates.

Re: Athleltic Article

PostPosted: Mon Mar 08, 2021 8:21 pm
by Hawktawk
Fair enough . Sad the discussion is even happening but we’ve heard the man on Dan Patrick . He downloaded. I believe these rumors when coupled with his pre planned comments throwing his teammates under the bus . This was not a reporter jamming a mike in the face of a dissapointed athlete who had just lost a game . He had plenty of time to decide what he was going to say . It’s a bad look for Russ

Re: Athleltic Article

PostPosted: Tue Mar 09, 2021 7:24 am
by RiverDog
Hawktawk wrote:This was not a reporter jamming a mike in the face of a disappointed athlete who had just lost a game . He had plenty of time to decide what he was going to say . It’s a bad look for Russ


That's a good point that I hadn't thought about. Russell's statements and musings have not been the result of a hot blooded, emotional reaction.

Re: Athleltic Article

PostPosted: Tue Mar 09, 2021 7:52 am
by Hawktawk
c_hawkbob wrote:used to end every interview with “ go hawks “

Still does.


BS. I specifically recall his last comments following the brutal performance vs the Falcons in the divisional a few years ago . It was sodo whatever, a plug for his involvement in the stadium deal . That was at the end of a presser that seemed a bit flippant after having your season end , rah rah it was great year , we will get them next time . Obviously paraphrased but that was the take away for me and I mentioned it on this forum . It was the first time I could say it seemed like Russ had lost the laser focus , the shark eyes of his first few years . He’s not the same guy anymore . As I’ve said it’s political . His camp will likely never ask publicly for a trade . They will just make life hard enough for PC and JS they will have no choice . My read of the tea leaves is both parties are ready to move on. Money and public relations war is all that’s stopping it

Re: Athleltic Article

PostPosted: Tue Mar 09, 2021 8:17 am
by c_hawkbob
If you’re going to call BS bring a link, I’ve never seen it.

Re: Athleltic Article

PostPosted: Tue Mar 09, 2021 8:24 am
by RiverDog
Hawktawk wrote:used to end every interview with “ go hawks “


c_hawkbob wrote:Still does.


Hawktawk wrote:BS. I specifically recall his last comments following the brutal performance vs the Falcons in the divisional a few years ago . It was sodo whatever, a plug for his involvement in the stadium deal . That was at the end of a presser that seemed a bit flippant after having your season end , rah rah it was great year , we will get them next time . Obviously paraphrased but that was the take away for me and I mentioned it on this forum . It was the first time I could say it seemed like Russ had lost the laser focus , the shark eyes of his first few years . He’s not the same guy anymore . As I’ve said it’s political . His camp will likely never ask publicly for a trade . They will just make life hard enough for PC and JS they will have no choice . My read of the tea leaves is both parties are ready to move on. Money and public relations war is all that’s stopping it


I'm with Hawktalk on this one. I haven't seen any recent interviews with Russell so I can't comment on the "Go Hawks" thing, but I have seen a transformation in his attitude that's more self centered and less team orientated. 7 years ago, would Russell have been talking about himself as much as he has, saying things like how him and Metcalf might become the greatest combo ever? And I'm in agreement that he'd never publicly ask for a trade. Planting little rumors about which teams he'd be willing to go to fits his MO. A lot of things about his personality may have changed, but one of them is not his political correctness and his sensitivity to his image. As Brandon Marshall said, he's looking for a classy way out.

Re: Athleltic Article

PostPosted: Tue Mar 09, 2021 8:45 am
by c_hawkbob
Like I said, you're gonna have to show me cause I ain't seen it.

Re: Athleltic Article

PostPosted: Tue Mar 09, 2021 10:10 am
by RiverDog
Although I don't think it changes anyone's narrative, at least it doesn't change mine, I just watched Russell's season ending post game interview after the playoff loss to the Rams and he did end it by saying "Go Hawks."