govandals wrote:Schefter reporting Bobby Wagner has been told he will be released.
What a day, huh?
trents wrote:Shaken but not shocked. And I don't think this is the end of the personnel changes we will be seeing. I expect D. Brown will be gone.
I'm guessing this means they will resign Penny. And what about Metcalf?
trents wrote:Shaken but not shocked. And I don't think this is the end of the personnel changes we will be seeing. I expect D. Brown will be gone.
I'm guessing this means they will resign Penny. And what about Metcalf?
For the last 6 months, I've been arguing to trade Metcalf. I started a thread about it and was roundly criticized by the group for the mere suggestion. I even referred to it when I started a thread about Cooper Kupp.
Not sure what, if anything, this means for Penny. If we were that enamored with him, we would have picked up his 5th year option. I have a hard time believing a few weeks in a busted season will make that big of a difference in our attitude towards him, but who knows.
For the last 6 months, I've been arguing to trade Metcalf. I started a thread about it and was roundly criticized by the group for the mere suggestion. I even referred to it when I started a thread about Cooper Kupp.
Not sure what, if anything, this means for Penny. If we were that enamored with him, we would have picked up his 5th year option. I have a hard time believing a few weeks in a busted season will make that big of a difference in our attitude towards him, but who knows.
obiken wrote:River, who was the best MLB we ever had before Bobby? Kirkland?
Aseahawkfan wrote:Bobby is clearly the best and might make the Hall of Fame.
RiverDog wrote:"Might" make the HOF? IMO he's a bigger slam dunk than Russell.
Aseahawkfan wrote:Thing you don't seem to acknowledge about Russell and what up's his chances is he literally changed the league's view of height at QB. He is the shortest QB to play at the level he performs at. Prior to that Doug Flutie was the shortest QB to do somewhat well. Russ changed the paradigm. If Russ were 3 inches taller, he would have easily been a top 5 or 10 pick. His height dropped him to the 3rd round. Schneider and Pete took the shot. The rest is history.
RiverDog wrote:I fully acknowledge that Russell might get a gold jacket, perhaps even probably. But it's not a slam dunk, at least not yet. Russell's never won a league MVP or a SB MVP. He's not in the top 10 in any of the major statistical categories. He doesn't have multiple rings. Carson Palmer, Kerry Collins, and Drew Bledsoe all have more career passing yardage than he does. He's 15th all time in touchdown passes. He's not a slam dunk like his contemporaries, ie Brady, Rodgers, and Brees, rather more in the category of a Worthlessburger or Eli.
No doubt he and Luke Kuchkley Were the two best at that position for years! Both are on the All Decade team."Might" make the HOF? IMO he's a bigger slam dunk than Russell.
RiverDog wrote:I fully acknowledge that Russell might get a gold jacket, perhaps even probably. But it's not a slam dunk, at least not yet. Russell's never won a league MVP or a SB MVP. He's not in the top 10 in any of the major statistical categories. He doesn't have multiple rings. Carson Palmer, Kerry Collins, and Drew Bledsoe all have more career passing yardage than he does. He's 15th all time in touchdown passes. He's not a slam dunk like his contemporaries, ie Brady, Rodgers, and Brees, rather more in the category of a Worthlessburger or Eli.
Aseahawkfan wrote:I still think he gets a boost for changing the way the league thinks about QBs.
RiverDog wrote:He'll likely get in as they've liberalized the standard for acceptance into the HOF. I couldn't believe it when they admitted Kenny Stabler, who threw more interceptions than he did TD passes, or Drew Pearson, who had just 3 Pro Bowl appearances. It's no longer an exclusive club for the greatest players in the game. It includes the not-so-great, B+ players as well.
NorthHawk wrote:1st Ballot entry.
NorthHawk wrote:1st Ballot entry.
c_hawkbob wrote:Agreed.
NorthHawk wrote:I think he was better than Kuechly, but being on the West Coast he didn't get the attention of the media.
c_hawkbob wrote:Worst thing is they didn't even telling him they were releasing him face to face:
Defend them all you want but I think John and Pete are botching this rebuild.
Aseahawkfan wrote:Like I said, bad roster management.
Not even talk to Bobby? He gave Seattle all he had for 10 years. That's just messed up. What is going on there?
NorthHawk wrote:Possibly leaks where someone spilled the beans before they could talk to him.
Or it might just be insensitivity/incompetence on the part of the FO.
Aseahawkfan wrote:Like I said, bad roster management.
Not even talk to Bobby? He gave Seattle all he had for 10 years. That's just messed up. What is going on there?
NorthHawk wrote:Possibly leaks where someone spilled the beans before they could talk to him. Or it might just be insensitivity/incompetence on the part of the FO.
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