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c_hawkbob wrote:The date on this letter is in direct conflict with that account. Someone is lying, my money is on Peyton.
NorthHawk wrote:It sounds like Peyton wanted a reason to bench Wilson but couldn't until they lost a game.
But I'm sure a big part of it is the money which probably comes from upstairs and I don't think that putting a coach in that position to cover for Management or ownership is the proper way to do things.
So Peyton has found himself in a bit of a bind. It's a good thing for them that they aren't in the middle of the playoff hunt with a good shot at the SB.
RiverDog wrote:After the way he left Seattle, I have a hard time taking what Russell says at face value.
NorthHawk wrote:I think that interview is as honest as he's ever been about football. I believe it's what he truly thinks happened and if they had kept on winning, it would have been harder to sit him but they don't want to guarantee $37 Million next year.
NorthHawk wrote:In the NFL it's about money. It's always been about money and how to save it and how to make it. It's why we don't have permanent referees and still don't have all the best camera angles and why they put in artificial turf even though the players say it wears them down faster than grass, and it's why we have 17 games and the NFL is pushing for 18, and why they are expanding to Europe and now South America and soon Asia.
For the NFL owners, nothing tops money and making more of it. So saving on a big contract would be high on the new owners list of things to do. After all, inheritances are hard to come by.
Aseahawkfan wrote:Russ and Pete are all done. I figured neither one was going to do much after Russ was traded and Pete's removal was a matter of time as well. Neither one was ever going to recover from that Super Bowl loss. I felt it after that loss, but you keep watching.
New era. Russ and Pete had their time. It will always be a great period in Seattle Seahawks history. But their time has past and there is no regaining the old glory.
Aseahawkfan wrote:He can probably make a career as a well paid backup as some older QBs do. Seems backups make 5 million or more nowadays which is still great money for most people. He does have that expensive wife to support.
NorthHawk wrote:He won’t be taking a massive pay cut this year as he’s guaranteed the 2nd year of his Denver deal that they are paying him. Something like $35M is guaranteed so any team signing him would only have to pay the minimum nfl salary. I assume there’s some offset language and if so that would be deducted from Denver’s Cap hit. If no offset then he would get an extra Million or thereabouts. Either way he won’t take a pay cut this year.
trents wrote:Russ out of touch with reality! Speaks of winning two super bowls in the next five years going forward.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/ru ... r-BB1iS81n
jshawaii22 wrote:But wait... if Denver releases him, we can sign him for the Vets min on a 1 year deal for something like 1.5 million. Anyone want him back? Oh, wait, he'll only sign if he's the guaranteed starter, just like Kaepernick!
Agent 86 wrote:Officially being cut........
https://www.nfl.com/news/broncos-inform-quarterback-russell-wilson-he-will-be-released
RiverDog wrote:My understanding is that the cap hit for the Broncos is more than the next two largest cap hits in the history of the league combined. What a frigging disaster.
Any bets on where his next landing spot might be and/or how he and/or his team fare? Another two Super Bowls per Russell's vision?
RiverDog wrote:My understanding is that the cap hit for the Broncos is more than the next two largest cap hits in the history of the league combined. What a frigging disaster.
Any bets on where his next landing spot might be and/or how he and/or his team fare? Another two Super Bowls per Russell's vision?
4XPIPS wrote:This is an absolute disaster for the Broncos, considering the $85 mil cap hit shows they wanted to move on completely from him and not even try and salvage some sort of draft capital. Just like Jamal Adams, there aren't a lot of teams wiling to take on the salary but you can certainly negotiate taking on most of that 'owed money' and still working out a trade and at least get a pick in return.
Maybe the rumors are true about Russ and most teams out there were never that high on him given his accolades. Talk about a fall from grace. It was shocking he when he was traded away, and it's just as shocking to see him being set to be released.
RiverDog wrote:Some of us in here, one person in particular, saw this coming. I guess was 50/50, saying that he was going to have to change his style of play if he was to be successful, but that I thought that he would, that he was introspective enough to realize that his skills had diminished. But of course, the final chapter on Russell Wilson has yet to be written, so no one gets the last laugh just yet.
It's a drama that I've never seen play out before. Here you have this player who was at least borderline HOF' quality....some in here stating unequivocally that he was a slam dunk for a gold jacket...and at a time of his career where he should be in his prime years, he's been kicked to the curb even though the consequences for his former team are huge. In less than two years, Russell Wilson has gone from HOF candidate to the punch line of a joke.
My guess is that Russell ends up with a team looking for a cheap "bridge" quarterback, signs for one, perhaps two seasons, sort of like we're doing with Geno. Given the fact that he'll sign for the league minimum, there's a lot of teams that fit into that category, roughly 1/4 of the league. Teams that are being mentioned are, in no particular order, the Falcons, Steelers, Patriots, Bears, Vikings, Bucs, Pats, and Raiders. And there are a few other dark horses that could enter the sweepstakes. Assume for a moment that Aaron Rodgers decides to call it a career. Would they want to try another Wilson?
The other thing about this saga is Russell himself. Love him or hate him, s\he's an interesting character to say the least. To listen to him talk, you'd think that everything is rainbows and unicorns.
RiverDog wrote:Some of us in here, one person in particular, saw this coming. I guess was 50/50, saying that he was going to have to change his style of play if he was to be successful, but that I thought that he would, that he was introspective enough to realize that his skills had diminished. But of course, the final chapter on Russell Wilson has yet to be written, so no one gets the last laugh just yet.
It's a drama that I've never seen play out before. Here you have this player who was at least borderline HOF' quality....some in here stating unequivocally that he was a slam dunk for a gold jacket...and at a time of his career where he should be in his prime years, he's been kicked to the curb even though the consequences for his former team are huge. In less than two years, Russell Wilson has gone from HOF candidate to the punch line of a joke.
My guess is that Russell ends up with a team looking for a cheap "bridge" quarterback, signs for one, perhaps two seasons, sort of like we're doing with Geno. Given the fact that he'll sign for the league minimum, there's a lot of teams that fit into that category, roughly 1/4 of the league. Teams that are being mentioned are, in no particular order, the Falcons, Steelers, Patriots, Bears, Vikings, Bucs, Pats, and Raiders. And there are a few other dark horses that could enter the sweepstakes. Assume for a moment that Aaron Rodgers decides to call it a career. Would they want to try another Wilson?
The other thing about this saga is Russell himself. Love him or hate him, s\he's an interesting character to say the least. To listen to him talk, you'd think that everything is rainbows and unicorns.
Aseahawkfan wrote:You don't find it interesting that neither Russ nor Pete survived the trade? Russell couldn't turn Denver into a contender. All that draft capital didn't help Pete turn this team around.
Remember being told we're not rebuilding? There was an insistence we weren't doing a rebuild. And we would contend with Geno. The trade was going to turn everything around. And Geno would be the next guy and was a Super Bowl competitive QB?
Seems in the end neither Russell nor Pete benefitted from this trade. They were at their best together. Apart neither one survived and both were kicked from their teams at the same time.
Now that is something I've never seen before. I cannot recall a star QB being traded by a head coach for immense draft capital and yet both of them completely failing and both getting cut or fired by their respective teams at the same time. It's like some weird story.
RiverDog wrote:Did I say that I didn't find it interesting that neither Pete or Russell survived the trade? It's damn interesting, although I don't think that the trade was the beginning of the end for either.
Both were on their decent paths before the trade. Pete had lost his way defensively, made a huge blunder in trading for a player he didn't know how to use, kept throwing coordinators into the volcano. Russell's demise was well underway in his past few seasons with us, his skill set had diminished, and he hadn't changed his style of play to compensate for it, a trend that continued in Denver.
Aseahawkfan wrote:No, but you are pushing this narrative on this prediction when if you look back at those threads, some of us predicted Russ and Pete were both likely done. That turned out to be true as well. Neither one of them is coming back to top form at this point. And some were saying we weren't in a rebuild and this trade was going to replenish the team and it didn't. It didn't at all. In fact, this trade may well just be looked at as recovering the draft capital from the failed Jamal Adams trade.
Aseahawkfan wrote:Russ had a 40 TD year in 2020. A drop off in 2021. Collapsed in Denver in 2022 and improved in 2023.
I'm not real sure why Payton decided Russ was done. Most teams would be happy with a 26 TDS to 8 Int TD to int ratio with a 98 QB rating while missing the last two games. But Payton decided Russ was not for him and had enough power to make that happen.
Watching Russ, he did seem weak in the red zone, the most important zone for a QB. He could not win games against good teams in the 4th quarter.
Here's the kicker: Russ performed equal to or better than Geno this year and still got cut. If you compared Russ to Geno, he was better than Geno in quite a few stats with fewer weapons.
Wasn't there a prediction that Geno would be better than Russ going forward? That happened for one year and then Russ was at least equal if not better than Geno this year though I guess that depends on what stats you look at.
We know Payton likes a high volume timing passing game, which is not Russ's forte. Russ is more of a play action QB.
Aseahawkfan wrote:Now would I pay what Denver paid for Russ's production? Nope. Is Russ still better than a lot of QBs in this league including Geno? I think so. I might even be tempted to bring Russ back on the cheap for no other reason than familiarity with our receivers. I'm not sure what type of offense Grubb runs and if it isn't a play action pass offense, Russ likely can't run it.
If we could grab Russ for 10 million a year, I might do it as a bridge QB for competition against Geno. You know what? It would be super funny to have taken Denver to the cleaners for a QB we sign that produces for us. As a GM I might do it just for the amusement. Geno isn't so good Russ couldn't compete against him and with our weapons on offense and MacDonald being a new coach with no attachment, might be worth a look. Sign Russ for 10 to 15 a year for 2 or 3 years. See if he can find the magic with receivers he knows.
Really make Denver feels stupid getting more production out of Russ both in trade and on the field than they could.
And if Russ falls hard, then we get a higher draft pick for a QB with the cheap bridge QB that Geno is doing anyway.
Old but Slow wrote:You have a #3 jersey?
RiverDog wrote:
Did I say that I didn't find it interesting that neither Pete or Russell survived the trade? It's damn interesting, although I don't think that the trade was the beginning of the end for either.
Both were on their decent paths before the trade. Pete had lost his way defensively, made a huge blunder in trading for a player he didn't know how to use, kept throwing coordinators into the volcano. Russell's demise was well underway in his past few seasons with us, his skill set had diminished, and he hadn't changed his style of play to compensate for it, a trend that continued in Denver.
RiverDog wrote:Did I say that I didn't find it interesting that neither Pete or Russell survived the trade? It's damn interesting, although I don't think that the trade was the beginning of the end for either.
Both were on their decent paths before the trade. Pete had lost his way defensively, made a huge blunder in trading for a player he didn't know how to use, kept throwing coordinators into the volcano. Russell's demise was well underway in his past few seasons with us, his skill set had diminished, and he hadn't changed his style of play to compensate for it, a trend that continued in Denver.
4XPIPS wrote:Love that line, that really sums it up perfectly, LOL! I can see Russ going to the Steelers. I can't seem him going to a team that has a new HC and is looking to dress up a new team and get a fresh start. Hence I can definitely agree he will not be resigning with the Hawks, unless for technical reasons he wants to retire a Hawk and that would be a technicality and he would resign for that.
It's sad because I still have much love for Russ and wanted him to have the Brett Favre sign off where he showed he can still elevate a team.
Here is a wild thought, could you see the Cowboys signing Russ? There were rumors way back in the day that Jerry Jones always thought highly of Russ because of his ability to clutch games, but again that is afterthought today. However, Jerry is desperate and is running out of time for his Boys to win another SB, and I can see him wanting that potential option because how many seasons can Jerry stomach watching his high profile QB choke it up in the post season?
Old but Slow wrote:You have a #3 jersey?
RiverDog wrote:The Steelers are sounding like they won't enter the RW sweepstakes. They still want to push ahead with Kenny Pickett:
Yet, two years later, the talk around the NFL Scouting Combine is that Pickett could get another shot for the Steelers in 2024.
"Even as they sort out their quarterback outlook, the Steelers have started the process of rebuilding third-year passer Kenny Pickett,” writes ESPN’s Jeremy Fowler. “I’m told new offensive coordinator Arthur Smith recently spent time with Pickett in South Florida and that the two had a ‘great’ meeting.
“The sentiment among many here in Indy — including some with the team — was that Pickett could get another chance after a disastrous 2023 season due in part to the offense’s overall struggles under then-OC Matt Canada. Smith should help maximize Pickett’s skill set.”
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/ke ... r-BB1jgr6U
Unless the Cowboys trade Dak Prescott, there's no way that Russell will end up with them. He's already stated that he wants to get an opportunity to start, and there's a good 7-8 teams that are in need of a starting QB. Despite Prescott's warts, he's still a lot better option than Russell.
BTW, look at the length of this thread, 25 pages and counting. I wonder if there's a forum record. At least it's keeping other threads from getting diluted.
RiverDog wrote:Russell could or would not stay on script and was too used to ad libbing, ie "let Russ cook." Hackett literally gave Russell a free hand, let him do whatever he wanted. It was almost a co-coach situation and was an unmitigated disaster. It was likely the same issue which caused the split between Pete and Russell here, that Russell wanted more authority than Pete was willing to give. Under Payton, it wasn't insubordination on Russell's part as much as it was a "can't teach an old dog new tricks." Payton found himself trying to put a square peg into a round hole.
Here's an example of what was likely frustrating Payton. Russ is supposed to hit the receiver on a slant across the middle but opts to break the pocket to his right.
https://twitter.com/BroncosAve/status/1 ... _&ref_url=
That play was against the Patriots, where the Broncos got beat by a weaker team and essentially eliminated them from playoff contention.
No way do I want Russell back here, even for the league minimum. For one, it would be a media circus, a huge distraction, one that a young, first year head coach doesn't need. At least half of our fan base has a very strong dislike for Russell, and it would create a huge problem for Mac. Secondly, Geno is under contract and at this point, a better quarterback as he isn't as undisciplined as Russell is and would fit more easily into Grubb's offense. Russell has already said that he doesn't want to be a backup, that he wants to start. We'd be foolish to bring him in with those kinds of expectations. Besides, Russell and his agent have likely burned their bridges with JS. Except for a few random fans, I'm not hearing a sole say that the Hawks are a possible destination for RW.
Aseahawkfan wrote:
Check the stats, ObS. Russ played as well or better than Geno in 2023.
Geno fell off hard last year. Why not grab our former QB on the cheap? Lockett and DK never professed any dislike of Russ.
Russ already gave us great trade capital. Why not sign him cheap and milk the last few years out of him and then let him retire a Seahawk? What's it going to really do to us? Nothing.
26 TDs and 8 ints is fine for us. For 10 mill a year or so, let him work with DK and Lockett again, see what happens. We can still draft a guy the following year.
Why let Geno rest on his laurels? Did Geno really do so well he doesn't deserve from real competition from a qb like Russ? No.
I still think Russ is probably an upgrade or a side grade from Geno.
What do we got to lose?
If we could sign Russ for the league minimum like Riverdog apparently wouldn't pay for Russ, I'd do it in a heartbeat. League minimum for as much production at QB as Geno who we're paying 12 million to, why the hell not?
Russ works with coaches fine. Unless Grubb is developing a new QB learning his system, then who cares. Grubb has probably watched Russ play when he was with the Huskies. Probably knows what to do with him.
If Russ manages to land somewhere for 15 to 20 million, then yeah, no use trying to bring that here. Roll with the cheaper Geno and see what happens.
Aseahawkfan wrote:
Check the stats, ObS. Russ played as well or better than Geno in 2023.
Geno fell off hard last year. Why not grab our former QB on the cheap? Lockett and DK never professed any dislike of Russ.
Russ already gave us great trade capital. Why not sign him cheap and milk the last few years out of him and then let him retire a Seahawk? What's it going to really do to us? Nothing.
26 TDs and 8 ints is fine for us. For 10 mill a year or so, let him work with DK and Lockett again, see what happens. We can still draft a guy the following year.
Why let Geno rest on his laurels? Did Geno really do so well he doesn't deserve from real competition from a qb like Russ? No.
I still think Russ is probably an upgrade or a side grade from Geno.
What do we got to lose?
If we could sign Russ for the league minimum like Riverdog apparently wouldn't pay for Russ, I'd do it in a heartbeat. League minimum for as much production at QB as Geno who we're paying 12 million to, why the hell not?
Russ works with coaches fine. Unless Grubb is developing a new QB learning his system, then who cares. Grubb has probably watched Russ play when he was with the Huskies. Probably knows what to do with him.
If Russ manages to land somewhere for 15 to 20 million, then yeah, no use trying to bring that here. Roll with the cheaper Geno and see what happens.
Agent 86 wrote:Uhhhh, how about because he tried to get Schneider fired a couple off seasons ago? There is a slew of reasons, but don't think we need to go past that one. No chance JS would ever even think about bringing Russ back to Seattle.
4XPIPS wrote:The only way Russell comes back and signs with us is to retire. We need to move past him and work on the future. You would only consider signing him if we had an QB injury and our team was built for a superbowl run, and we need a competent QB to carry us through a long post season run. We are no where near that, and right now we are in the midst of a massive clean house and re-organization of this roster. Expect anywhere a 70% roster change by next year. I can expect a lot of these players moving on and bringing new talent in on this draft&FA, and next years draft&FA.
The Dallas thing was just a wild thought, and of course wouldn't happen. However, there is the Dave Canales connection, someone Russell has spent a long time with, and he may go there.
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