Michael Irvin booted from SB coverage after complaint filed

[trents]

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/356 ... super-bowl

I am fed up with the broadcast media crucifying media personalities at the drop of a hat before anything has been proven. In this case, even before any charges have been filed. They are more concerned with image than justice and they don't care whose career is damaged by their knee jerk reaction to some possible/likely gold-bricking claim. If it turns out Irvin is innocent I hope he considers suing NFL Network for damages to his professional reputation.

[Hawktawk]

He had some issues with coke posession etc but a very long time ago . I enjoy his insights and personality .

I hope it isn’t true but celebrity cuts 2 ways . Some think they are invincible . Some get falsely accused for money as they are chick magnets with women wanting to be around all the time . We will see what happens . The network must have done a bit of investigation to do something this drastic . Maybe not

[Aseahawkfan]

They don't even have a filed police report and they're doing this to Irvin? Surprising. I guess we'll see if they have camera footage or what comes up. It's a surveillance world now and maybe they have enough evidence to be concerned.

[c_hawkbob]

I can't stand Irvin so whatever the excuse to keep him off my TV suits me fine. And there is video.

[RiverDog]

There's a little more to the story than what's in the ESPN article in the OP:

Irvin, 56, told his side of the incident in an interview with “Shan & RJ” on 105.3 the Fan in Dallas on Wednesday morning.

“Sunday night … when I came into the hotel, they asked what I did and I said, ‘I just went straight to the room,’ ” Irvin said. “But I guess I had met somebody in the lobby. Talked to somebody in the lobby for about a minute and then I went to my room. And then after I got up there, they said they had to move me in the hotel. I said, ‘Move me in the hotel for what?’

“So they moved my hotel, and I said, ‘What’s going on, guys? What’s happening? Why are we moving hotels?’

“They said, ‘Well, last night you walked in, you talked to somebody.’ I said, ‘I didn’t talk to anybody. I went straight to the room.’ And then they showed it on camera that I did talk to somebody. I talked to this girl for about a minute. I don’t know what — they didn’t show it to me. They told it to me. I didn’t see it. But that’s why they moved me, because I guess the girl said I said something to her within that minute that we talked, and so they moved me.”

“That’s why I’m kind of hiding to wait and see how everything comes down,” Irvin continued. “It was a minute meeting somewhere in the lobby. I don’t even remember it really because I had a few drinks, to tell you the truth.”

And further down in the article, it describes a few things in Irvin's past that would lead one to be suspicious of his denials:

Also in 1996, Irvin was arrested in a hotel room that included topless dancers and cocaine. He pleaded no contest to cocaine possession charges and was suspended for the first five games of the 1996 season. He was also arrested for felony cocaine possession in 2001; the charges were later dropped.

In 2007, Irvin was accused of sexual assault stemming from an incident at a casino in Florida. He did not face charges in the incident. He faced a civil suit, filed a counterclaim and the matter was ultimately settled out of court.

In 2017, Irvin was accused of sexual assault. He denied the allegations and no charges were ultimately filed.

https://nypost.com/2023/02/08/michael-i ... complaint/

Based on that information, IMO NFL Network acted appropriately. At first, Irvin first denies the encounter, is confronted with video evidence to the contrary then admits that he can't remember anything because he'd been drinking. You can't expect an employer to put their reputation on the line by standing by an employee in such a visible position as Irvin holds with that shaky of a defense, especially when you consider his checkered past. Suspend him pending a full investigation.

[Aseahawkfan]

That sounds more shady than initially reported.

[trents]

The network must have done a bit of investigation to do something this drastic . Maybe not

I don't think there has been time for that. There was not even a police report before they yanked him. I would think the cops would have been the first to investigate.

[RiverDog]

The network must have done a bit of investigation to do something this drastic . Maybe not

I don't think there has been time for that. There was not even a police report before they yanked him. I would think the cops would have been the first to investigate.

I wouldn't make the assumption that the cops would have been the first to investigate this report. The police have a lot on their plate this week with officers pulling overtime and tens of thousands of drunken fans in the Phoenix area along with swarms of media. This would fall way down their priority list.

This is the NFL Network we're talking about, the league's flagship media outlet, and it's a few days before the biggest event on the planet. They're not going to risk their reputation by allowing a man with a history that involves illegal drug use and accusations of sexual harassment to continue to put his mug on national TV with their banner right below him. Given Irvin's past, I'm surprised that they even hired him, and it's very likely that upon hiring that they told him that even a hint of a scandal and he might be done.

Additionally, Irvin may not have been truthful when he was first approached about the event as he only admitted to a conversation after being confronted with video evidence. Saying that you were too drunk to remember a conversation isn't a real good defense to give your employer. They don't need a police report, nor should they wait for one, to take action. It's Super Bowl week, for crying out loud. Irvin and his team are on air live on national TV every morning, so they had to act immediately.

The network absolutely did the right thing in pulling him from their SB coverage crew. If he were covering any other event, like the scouting combine or the first day of OTA's, I could see them waiting to let this all play out. But not less than a week before the Super Bowl.

[obiken]

Its thin, but its the price those guys pay for the big bucks.

[Hawktawk]

Don’t get me started on the idolization of current and former players , the white wash of their actions during and after their careers . Warren sapp , Warren moon for that matter . Ray Lewis Credibly accused of murder in the HOF now after spending time on the tube which is hopefully over . I’d forgotten how extensive Irvin’s history was . Im backing the network .

[RiverDog]

Don’t get me started on the idolization of current and former players , the white wash of their actions during and after their careers . Warren sapp , Warren moon for that matter . Ray Lewis Credibly accused of murder in the HOF now after spending time on the tube which is hopefully over . I’d forgotten how extensive Irvin’s history was . Im backing the network .

Agreed. I didn't realize that Irvin's transgressions were as extensive as what was reported in those articles, either.

I don't like the idea of condemning a person for life over a few mistakes they've made in their younger days, but when you consider the position that Irvin holds, a TV personality with a lot of exposure, I'm surprised that the NFL Network would hire him as one of their analysts as he's a big risk to the image conscious NFL. There's lots of other very well qualified former players that don't have the baggage Irvin has.

[Hawktawk]

Something about AZ. Pretty sure it’s where Sapp spun out in the middle of the night with some hooker he didn’t want to pay . Alcohol is almost always involved which makes exactly nobody act smarter but there’s an air of entitlement. Probably far from the first offense , just the first the cops cared about . Like Rapelburger with that coed assaulting her in the bathroom then being investigated by a police force who was taking selfies with him minutes earlier including chief . Predictable they couldn’t find any evidence or find the girl credible . Same when he assaulted a hostess in Colorado . The league was so incensed it suspended him 6 whole games then reduced it to 4 . Greg Hardy played again after beating a girl silly and flinging her on a bed covered with assault rifles .
Compare that to Ray Rice in a heated intoxicated moment after being slapped and spit on by his fiancée . Yeah that’s on video .
The fault Snyder is still an owner ……dirty dark underbelly but time for the big show . Carry on nothing to see here .

[ACES 13]

I can't stand Irvin so whatever the excuse to keep him off my TV suits me fine. And there is video.

This,,^
Michael Irvin has a fairly lengthy criminal past and he has gotten off the hook more than not! I have never had respect for him in his role on TV and or the NFL Network because he is bombastic, full of himself, and all about promoting himself! I'm happy if I don't have to see him anymore in a media role while I'm enjoying NFL broadcasts. As usual Bob has a well thought out concise opinion. Thank you for that Bob, totally agree!

[RiverDog]

And now, Michael Irvin has filed a lawsuit against the woman that filed a complaint against him:

Michael Irvin Files $100M Defamation Lawsuit, Says He Was Falsely Accused of Misconduct

Former Dallas Cowboys wide receiver and Pro Football Hall of Famer Michael Irvin has filed a defamation lawsuit seeking $100 million in damages, claiming he was falsely accused of misconduct by a female employee at a Phoenix hotel.

In his lawsuit, Irvin said he returned to the hotel, he briefly greeted, shook hands and talked with several fans, including the woman, for a few minutes before going to his room alone.

The lawsuit claims a hotel manager reported “false information” to the NFL, accusing Irvin of improper behavior toward a hotel employee. Irvin was then “shockingly woken up by a crew of security” and removed from the hotel “without any explanation or questions,” the lawsuit said.

https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/sports/ ... t/4098422/

I wonder how he's going to convince a court of his innocence when he said that he was too drunk to remember anything?

[trents]

Innocent until proven guilty. I'm glad he's suing. You guys are all operating under the assumption that he is likely guilty because of a checkered past. A dangerous assumption.

[RiverDog]

Innocent until proven guilty. I'm glad he's suing. You guys are all operating under the assumption that he is likely guilty because of a checkered past. A dangerous assumption.

Where was it that anyone said or implied that Irvin was guilty? Besides, this isn't a courtroom and we're not sitting on a jury. It's an opinion forum, aka the court of public opinion.

Speaking for myself, I'm not assuming anything. I'm defending the network's right as an employer to remove an employee from their team covering the SB. As far as I know, Irvin hasn't received any discipline for this alleged event. We don't know what's in Irvin's contract, but given his checkered past, it wouldn't be surprising if he had a special clause covering behavior such as what is being alleged. So far, there has been no mention of any discipline by the network for this incident. All they're doing is giving him some time off, likely paid.

It may not be fair, but a person's past behavior directly affects their credibility, and when a person that has had these types of incidents before then says that he was too drunk to remember anything, it tends to sway people's opinions on what may have occurred. That's why you haven't seen very many posters defend him.

[Aseahawkfan]

I guess we'll see. It seems to me when the NFL does this, it's usually something worse than we're all being told. Irvin's defense of "I had a few drinks" isn't a great defense.

The NFL would prefer to sweep things like this, but when there is video evidence they have no choice but to take it seriously.

[RiverDog]

My understanding of the incident is that it was hotel security that removed Irvin and relocated him to another hotel. They must have had some pretty decent evidence for them to remove a paying customer working for an organization like NFL Network. Generally speaking, hotels love the publicity of having celebrities and notable organizations stay with them.

Judging by my own experience with intoxicating beverages, Irvin must have had quite a bit to drink if he honestly can't remember talking to a woman in a hotel lobby.

[NorthHawk]

People talking to the media isn’t worth the paper it’s written on.
What is odd is he must have said something extremely egregious in a short conversation.
It makes me wonder if they had a previous conversation or interaction.

[RiverDog]

People talking to the media isn’t worth the paper it’s written on. What is odd is he must have said something extremely egregious in a short conversation. It makes me wonder if they had a previous conversation or interaction.

Yeah, I've wondered the same thing. How can you harass a person in a 45 second conversation in the hotel lobby to such a degree so as to convince the property manager that it justified kicking out a high-profile customer unless it's accompanied by some sort of gesture or physical behavior, which apparently wasn't shown on the video? Most people, if they're insulted like that, would simply turn around and walk away.

There must be more to this story.

[NorthHawk]

It makes me wonder if some type of restraining order or agreement to avoid each other was violated.
But it might just be my imagination.

[RiverDog]

It makes me wonder if some type of restraining order or agreement to avoid each other was violated.
But it might just be my imagination.

So how would the hotel manager know that? Keep in mind, this was hotel security that removed him. The police have said that no report had been filed.

[NorthHawk]

Maybe she told the Front Desk. Just speculation of course as we don't really know anything beyond the reports.
I wonder if we will ever find out?

[RiverDog]

Maybe she told the Front Desk. Just speculation of course as we don't really know anything beyond the reports.
I wonder if we will ever find out?

I would find it hard to believe that the hotel would take an employee's word that a guest had a restraining order against them then give them the boot for a short, 45 second encounter. There has to be more to the story.

If it goes to court, we'll find out. But if Irvin admits having been drinking and can't remember what was said, I can't see a judge letting his suit proceed. I'm wondering if he didn't file the suit just for the publicity of filing it, to get his statement of innocence out.

It will be interesting to see what NFL Network does, if they keep Irvin on or if they fire him. All they've done so far was to remove him from the crew covering the Super Bowl.

[ACES 13]

And now, Michael Irvin has filed a lawsuit against the woman that filed a complaint against him:

Michael Irvin Files $100M Defamation Lawsuit, Says He Was Falsely Accused of Misconduct

Former Dallas Cowboys wide receiver and Pro Football Hall of Famer Michael Irvin has filed a defamation lawsuit seeking $100 million in damages, claiming he was falsely accused of misconduct by a female employee at a Phoenix hotel.

In his lawsuit, Irvin said he returned to the hotel, he briefly greeted, shook hands and talked with several fans, including the woman, for a few minutes before going to his room alone.

The lawsuit claims a hotel manager reported “false information” to the NFL, accusing Irvin of improper behavior toward a hotel employee. Irvin was then “shockingly woken up by a crew of security” and removed from the hotel “without any explanation or questions,” the lawsuit said.

https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/sports/ ... t/4098422/

I wonder how he's going to convince a court of his innocence when he said that he was too drunk to remember anything?

Standard response to allegations of criminality! I'm sorry to say that I am jaded and suspicious of anyone charged with a crime or allegations of a crime, filing a counter suit. It's a weak move.. in my opinion Michael Irvin is a piece of trash! He is full of entitlement and a slimy slippery character in his dealings with ladies! I have no respect whatsoever for the man, but a hell of a football player, which in his mind makes it okay to do whatever he wants to do with no consequences. My opinion only.

[RiverDog]

And now, Michael Irvin has filed a lawsuit against the woman that filed a complaint against him:

Michael Irvin Files $100M Defamation Lawsuit, Says He Was Falsely Accused of Misconduct

Former Dallas Cowboys wide receiver and Pro Football Hall of Famer Michael Irvin has filed a defamation lawsuit seeking $100 million in damages, claiming he was falsely accused of misconduct by a female employee at a Phoenix hotel.

In his lawsuit, Irvin said he returned to the hotel, he briefly greeted, shook hands and talked with several fans, including the woman, for a few minutes before going to his room alone.

The lawsuit claims a hotel manager reported “false information” to the NFL, accusing Irvin of improper behavior toward a hotel employee. Irvin was then “shockingly woken up by a crew of security” and removed from the hotel “without any explanation or questions,” the lawsuit said.

https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/sports/ ... t/4098422/

I wonder how he's going to convince a court of his innocence when he said that he was too drunk to remember anything?

Standard response to allegations of criminality! I'm sorry to say that I am jaded and suspicious of anyone charged with a crime or allegations of a crime, filing a counter suit. It's a weak move.. in my opinion Michael Irvin is a piece of trash! He is full of entitlement and a slimy slippery character in his dealings with ladies! I have no respect whatsoever for the man, but a hell of a football player, which in his mind makes it okay to do whatever he wants to do with no consequences. My opinion only.

I don't disagree with your assessment especially as it applies to Irvin's past, but I want to see how this all plays out before I come to any firm conclusions about his behavior in this incident. I have questions about both sides of the issue. I don't understand how anyone can harass another in a simple 45 second confrontation that did not involve anything other than a verbal discussion. There must be some other part of the story that we haven't heard.

And as I said earlier, I can't see what grounds Irvin is using in his countersuit if he admits to having been drinking and is using it as an excuse for not remembering what it was that he might have said. It's a really shaky defense. And yes, it's a tactic that a guilty party, especially one with a lot of money, might employ to try to clear their name, to try to put their accuser on defense.

[RiverDog]

Interesting development in Irvin's defamation of character case:

Via TMZ.com, the presiding judge already has ordered that Marriott must identify the name of the employee — and that Marriott must produce video evidence regarding the alleged interaction. Marriott also must disclose the NFL Network employee(s) to whom the report was made.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/mi ... 69d3d6c133

IMO it's still going to be an uphill battle for Irvin as the burden of proof is on him and he's already stated that he had been drinking and can't remember anything. But from his POV, it's a good start.

[NorthHawk]

I feel sorry for the employee who was thinking they were just doing their job/the right thing and now will get caught up in it all.

[RiverDog]

I feel sorry for the employee who was thinking they were just doing their job/the right thing and now will get caught up in it all.

We don't know what happened except that there was a 45 second conversation in the hotel lobby. Who knows what kind of person the employee that reported it was. Were they a racist? A gold digger? Was she looking for her 15 seconds of fame? Or did the hotel overreact? Like we noted earlier, it seems inconceivable that anything could have happened in a 45 second conversation that would have justified kicking a paying customer off the premises. They're going to have to produce more evidence than the video.

The problem for Irvin is that he's already said that he had been drinking and doesn't remember anything, so the hotel could completely fabricate a story to cover their a$$ and he'd be hard pressed to deny it.

[Hawktawk]

Irvin has his fans in the general public and certainly in the judiciary as well. But this ruling is sop . Of course the witnesses must be identified . Of course the video throughout the building will be preserved . It’s real simple . If video is exculpatory and the hotel staff employee isn’t credible Irvin wins. But will opposing council seek to enter his previous actions into discovery as well?
By his own admission Irvin was blacked out and has a track record of inappropriate behavior with women .

It takes far less than 45 seconds to say or do something totally wrong to someone or even something illegal and blacked out people do exactly those things sometimes . They just wake up in jail instead of another hotel cause they aren’t Micheal Irvin . I don’t buy some employee decided to go rogue . I think he’s cooked but star power and money are an amazing thing.

[NorthHawk]

I don't know what the hotel policy is for unseemly behavior, but he could have been on the line and the employee took it too far, on the other hand he could very well have threatened her within 45 seconds.
Like you said, people who are very drunk can say things out of the blue, but we don't really know the extent of what was said. But I would think it would have to be something obviously serious to kick him
out of the Hotel so quickly.

[RiverDog]

Irvin has his fans in the general public and certainly in the judiciary as well. But this ruling is sop . Of course the witnesses must be identified . Of course the video throughout the building will be preserved . It’s real simple . If video is exculpatory and the hotel staff employee isn’t credible Irvin wins. But will opposing council seek to enter his previous actions into discovery as well?
By his own admission Irvin was blacked out and has a track record of inappropriate behavior with women .

It takes far less than 45 seconds to say or do something totally wrong to someone or even something illegal and blacked out people do exactly those things sometimes . They just wake up in jail instead of another hotel cause they aren’t Micheal Irvin . I don’t buy some employee decided to go rogue . I think he’s cooked but star power and money are an amazing thing.

Irvin didn't say he was blacked out. He said that he had been drinking and didn't recall the incident. I've had conversations with people I didn't initially recall having, and it wasn't after I'd been drinking. I'm not defending Irvin and feel that it's more likely than not that he did say something inappropriate given his past, but we can't say that for sure.

I don't know what the hotel policy is for unseemly behavior, but he could have been on the line and the employee took it too far, on the other hand he could very well have threatened her within 45 seconds.
Like you said, people who are very drunk can say things out of the blue, but we don't really know the extent of what was said. But I would think it would have to be something obviously serious to kick him
out of the Hotel so quickly.

There's a lot of possible scenarios, but I find that one pretty unlikely, certainly no more likely than my racist employee/gold digger theory. If Irvin was that drunk and that threatening, he almost certainly would have insulted more than just the hotel employee, like the bartender, waitress, other customers, etc. I have a hard time picturing a person that drunk saying something out of the blue to one employee in a 45 second conversation.

Again, as I mentioned to HT, I am not defending Irvin. All I'm saying is that there has to be more to the story than what we've been given.

[Hawktawk]

I haven't even been able to determine if theres a private citizen who was harassed or whatever or if it was a member of the staff that was harassed etc or did a staff member report what they saw?

But i'm not giving Irvin much benefit of the doubt. If he "can't recall" an incident that escalated to where he was evicted from the hotel thats blotto raging drunk OK? Not a failing memory. That you would remember.

And in 5 decades of travel I've never encountered hotel staff with any agenda other than helping make my stay pleasant. The better the hotel the better the staff usually .
I came in the door 3 sheets to the wind at 2 AM after a night out with an old buddy in Newport , no room key etc and they took care of me. Helped me get off the floor of the taxi.

I do not buy this was some employee looking for 5 minutes of fame at all who will be summarily fired if their account doesn't hold up. This person was trusted enough that Irvin was relocated based on their account telling me this is a person with some horsepower who was specifically the point person for this episode by design. A management employee is my guess .

I think it's usually opposite where famous people get away with a lot more. Not this time.

[RiverDog]

I haven't even been able to determine if theres a private citizen who was harassed or whatever or if it was a member of the staff that was harassed etc or did a staff member report what they saw?

My understanding is that the person that filed the complaint was a member of the hotel staff. As an employer, they'd have more liability if an employee was harassed as they could be accused of tolerating a hostile workplace environment. That liability wouldn't exist with a customer, and it would be more on the individual to take action, ie call the police, than it would be the hotel staff.

But i'm not giving Irvin much benefit of the doubt. If he "can't recall" an incident that escalated to where he was evicted from the hotel thats blotto raging drunk OK? Not a failing memory. That you would remember.

That's true IF you accept that the complaint was factual. If it were fabricated, it is very believable that Irvin might not have recalled a conversation.

And in 5 decades of travel I've never encountered hotel staff with any agenda other than helping make my stay pleasant. The better the hotel the better the staff usually.
I came in the door 3 sheets to the wind at 2 AM after a night out with an old buddy in Newport , no room key etc and they took care of me. Helped me get off the floor of the taxi.

I do not buy this was some employee looking for 5 minutes of fame at all who will be summarily fired if their account doesn't hold up. This person was trusted enough that Irvin was relocated based on their account telling me this is a person with some horsepower who was specifically the point person for this episode by design. A management employee is my guess.

I think it's usually opposite where famous people get away with a lot more. Not this time.

I agree, and that's what leads me to believe that more likely than not, Irvin had said and/or did something very inappropriate to have caused such a harsh reaction by the individual and the hotel staff. But without more evidence, we can't discount the possibility that the individual is lying.

As far as the individual being worried about being fired, with over 10 million job openings in the US, that fear doesn't exist nearly to the degree that it once did. Besides, the hospitability industry doesn't pay nearly as well as other occupations. She could get a job the next night waiting tables, likely for as much or more than what she was making at the hotel.

[Hawktawk]

I’m 99% sure the complainant is not lying . She was concerned enough to report it and the hotel was concerned enough to relocate him . As I’ve said a lot can happen in 45 seconds . You don’t get relocated over a disagreement in a 45 second conversation .

Did he try to coerce her to come with him to his room . Offer money ? Did he touch her ? It’s all a question. I don’t know the answer . But it wasn’t a handshake .

He can’t remember but we’re supposed to believe him or consider she’s just lying for whatever reason . If I were a judge I’d laugh when he said his character is defamed . Sure is buddy and long before this incident .

My final reason for believing he’s complicit is the swift network actions . Much as the league itself they have a security apparatus and are often aware of stuff like this before it even hits the airwaves .

If they booted him on a fig leaf of evidence they would be sued as well . They think it happened . Whatever that is . They probably know already .

[RiverDog]

I’m 99% sure the complainant is not lying . She was concerned enough to report it and the hotel was concerned enough to relocate him . As I’ve said a lot can happen in 45 seconds . You don’t get relocated over a disagreement in a 45 second conversation .

Did he try to coerce her to come with him to his room . Offer money ? Did he touch her ? It’s all a question. I don’t know the answer . But it wasn’t a handshake .

He can’t remember but we’re supposed to believe him or consider she’s just lying for whatever reason . If I were a judge I’d laugh when he said his character is defamed . Sure is buddy and long before this incident .

My final reason for believing he’s complicit is the swift network actions . Much as the league itself they have a security apparatus and are often aware of stuff like this before it even hits the airwaves .

If they booted him on a fig leaf of evidence they would be sued as well . They think it happened . Whatever that is . They probably know already .

99% sure? We know absolutely nothing about the individual. Heck, we're not even positive of their gender. Same goes with the hotel manager.

You once accused me of being biased when I said that I was convinced that Robert Kraft solicited sex from a prostitute, and now you're pronouncing Irvin as being guilty based on the thinnest of evidence. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black!

[Hawktawk]

Not sure what you are talking about with Kraft . I thought he was guilty as hell . You or I would have done some time . You need to produce the evidence of that view of Kraft . I thought it was entrapment and I think the courts did too . But he did it.

Don’t think I’ve ever posted like Irvin , drunk enough I couldn’t remember .


I’m the one getting ragged on for defending victims from trumps to Kavanaugh to Deshon Watson who you reminded me Asian maseuuses aren’t always on the up and up so maybe some were lying . I didn’t care . If those filthy acts were performed on one girl against her will he should have done time . Instead he got a quarter bil to play like Wilson .

But not sure where you’re going challenging my position on Irvin .
Man has a track record to say the least . He’s likely stayed there many times and relocating a man of that celebrity would not be taken lightly . There had to be something . If it’s verbal video may prove nothing unless it’s audio as well .

As for the girl remaining anonymous if she were a gold digger she would be on tv with Gloria Steinem imo . Just out of character of their employees to somehow entrap a ripped Irvin in 45 seconds .

It’s a very fine hotel and their people are the best . And again the first we heard of this was from the network announcing they were sending him home mere hours after the incident . Who knows maybe he has had a history of getting hammered on assignment out of town and they had enough . It’s not accusing him , just figure out what happened . It’s not made up in my opinion .

[Hawktawk]

In other news Marriott has moved the case to federal court out of state court where Irvin seemed to have some home cooking . They are clearly planning a vigorous defense . Micheal Irvin has deep pockets but he can’t hold a candle to Marriott and it all comes out of insurance .

[RiverDog]

Not sure what you are talking about with Kraft . I thought he was guilty as hell . You or I would have done some time . You need to produce the evidence of that view of Kraft . I thought it was entrapment and I think the courts did too . But he did it.

Perhaps I was mistaken. Maybe it was someone else. My bad.

FYI the reason Kraft got off was that the crime he was charged with, ie solicitation, was a misdemeanor and not part of the justification for the search warrant, which was human trafficking, so they barred the video evidence so the case against Kraft and a number of others was dropped. Kraft had pleaded not guilty but apologized for his actions, essentially an admission of guilt.

But not sure where you’re going challenging my position on Irvin .
Man has a track record to say the least . He’s likely stayed there many times and relocating a man of that celebrity would not be taken lightly . There had to be something . If it’s verbal video may prove nothing unless it’s audio as well .

As for the girl remaining anonymous if she were a gold digger she would be on tv with Gloria Steinem imo . Just out of character of their employees to somehow entrap a ripped Irvin in 45 seconds .

It’s a very fine hotel and their people are the best . And again the first we heard of this was from the network announcing they were sending him home mere hours after the incident . Who knows maybe he has had a history of getting hammered on assignment out of town and they had enough . It’s not accusing him , just figure out what happened . It’s not made up in my opinion .

What I'm challenging is your assumptions, like that the employee is 99% likely to be telling the truth and that the hotel's employees are "the best". Although I don't think it likely, there is at least a reasonable chance that Irvin could have been set up. We simply don't know enough about it to make the cast in stone conclusions that you're making.

[Hawktawk]

It’s speculation . Gut instinct . I’ve made it plain to numerous courts that I’m not fit for sitting on a jury . I look at known facts , the demeanor of accuser and accused and my mind is made up . Im a pretty good judge of character .

in the case of Irvin quite a history of behavior with alcohol , drugs and women to factor in and im sure Marriott will seek to enter his previous actions into the record .
Marriott moving him means something to me . His comments he doesn’t remember the incident while partially describing it “ nobody was in the room , the encounter was “mostly “ non physical . Accuse me of a rush to judgement but I think he said or did something of a threatening or sexual nature to her . Time will tell and if I am wrong I’ll visit the op and eat the crow .