trents wrote:https://www.foxnews.com/sports/ezekiel-elliott-narrowed-down-free-agent-decision-3-teams
It was mentioned incidentally in the above linked article. First I'd heard of it. It caught me by surprise but as I think about it, it does make sense from a salary cap perspective with the emergence of KB3 and Penny's injury proneness.
trents wrote:https://www.foxnews.com/sports/ezekiel-elliott-narrowed-down-free-agent-decision-3-teams
It was mentioned incidentally in the above linked article. First I'd heard of it. It caught me by surprise but as I think about it, it does make sense from a salary cap perspective with the emergence of KB3 and Penny's injury proneness.
govandals wrote:I read that "the Seahawks wanted him back and let him know, however he wanted to "change the narrative" of his career" He seems like a good guy, I hope he does well. He really changed (got tougher) when Adrian Peterson came in for that short stint. I think that really helped him.
I read on another forum that Penny was gonna sign with the Seahawks but sprained his thumb trying to sign the contract, so he just signed with the Eagles instead. OK, my lame attempt at humor is over...
Hawktawk wrote:It’s Just extremely unlucky. I knew he was done when I saw that play vs the saints Just looked bad .
I heard Seattle offered more than Philly . I’m sure Penny wants a fresh start but I also know he’s a starter with a starter mentality and skills and he didn’t want to be sitting watching someone else like he did with Carson .
Hawktawk wrote:This I know . If the man could ever make it 17 games he might lead the league in rushing .
trents wrote:Homer is gone too? That one slipped by my attention as well.
trents wrote:So what RB's do we have on the roster at this point in time besides KWIII and DJ Dallas?
NorthHawk wrote:His career in Seattle is a lot like Prosise. Showed a lot of promise when healthy but couldn’t stay on the field.
NorthHawk wrote:His career in Seattle is a lot like Prosise. Showed a lot of promise when healthy but couldn’t stay on the field.
Hawktawk wrote:Penny had a couple amazing games before hurt . His career ypc is 5.7 . Then In his last 11 games he had 1100 yards rushing , 8 rush TDs . NFL records for games over 135 with 2 TDs , also consecutive games over 175 yards . His last 5 of 21 he averaged 7.1 ypc. To focus on injuries years earlier missed the point the guy played 11 all
Pro style games then got a leg snapped . No pulled whatever . Not conditioning . Had played through a shoulder the previous 2 games and lit it up .
I see penny as a Seahawks tragedy, potentially the greatest back in team history . Just unlucky . I’ll pull for him unlike I told you so fans .
Hawktawk wrote:Wanna talk Carson ? Good back . I liked him . But too physical and always hurt himself . Correct me if I’m wrong but I think Carson was available for one postseason , his rookie year vs Dallas in the WC where he went off for 20 yards on 15 carries while Penny had 27 yards on 4. It’s a good question why Carson stayed in that game .
Every other year he was out by season end except his last one he played 3 games . It wasn’t just Penny . It was terrible luck at the position . Starting with beast mode getting a hernia . Rawls career altering injury . Carson’s many injuries . Penny good lord .
Penny has about another gear and a half on Carson . The talent gap is glaring . We’re never had a back averaging well over 6 ypc and for his career including when he was this fat out of shape lazy slob he averaged 6.1 ypc on 10 or more carries. Beast , SA, nobody showed the burst this guy did . So yeah I’m standing by my observation Penny could have been our best ever .
NorthHawk wrote:Ideally you should keep 2 top RBs on the roster if you are a running team or if running the ball is a big part of your Offense. It’s why you should select one early every time one of them gets older to keep the backfield stocked. Later round selections aren’t usually the better RBs with a few exceptions. So every 3 or 4 years draft one in the first or second round and keep churning them over. After all 17 games is a lot of wear and tear on one RB. Just look how our run game receded after Marshawn left. Bottom feeding didn’t work, neither did bypassing studs for later options.
Bottom line is if your Offense depends on the run game to play a big role, then keep it stocked with top talent.
NorthHawk wrote:It doesn’t matter what other teams have done. If a good run game is central to the success of the Offense a top RB is required.
Look how much Walker meant to our Offense and in previous years Carson when healthy or for a brief time Penny.
Our success on Offense relies on a good run game and mediocre RBs don’t cut it. Just like a passing team not trying to get top WRs, it’s the same with RBs. Maybe they’ve learned from this past years draft and will take another early to ensure there’s little drop off if or when the starter gets dinged.
Except you that's not what you said. You said that we needed two top flight running backs on our roster, not one. And IMO it does matter what other teams have done. Of the top 5 running teams in the league, not a single one of them have two running backs that each put up more than 300 yards last season. It means that having two on your roster isn't necessary and is a waste of valuable resources. Besides, IMO we already have a very good RB on our roster in the form of DJ Dallas.
NorthHawk wrote:If we really want our Offense to be consistent we need to top RBs in the fold. Deejay is a good backup, but there's a big fall off from Walker to him. That has to be fixed as RBs take a lot of punishment and our Offense needs to have a top RB to be ready or share the load in a 17 game season. Walker missed a game last year and our Offense was noticeably poorer. There's nothing wrong with Dallas, but he's just not a top RB. So selecting one to share the carries should be a priority. Luckily, this year is fairly deep in RBs so we should be able to get one in the 2nd, but it would be difficult to pass by Robinson at 20 if he's still there because of his immense talent.
People have this notion that you can find a RB anywhere in the draft, but as far as dominating RBs, it's rarely true, and the ones who do fall usually do so because of character concerns or injury history. Some are just missed but that's like any position and it's very rare like John Randle, undrafted but HoF inductee in 2010 or be very good contributors like Doug Baldwin. However, the point is the best RBs are drafted early - mostly the first 2 rounds. And we should try to get another one this year.
NorthHawk wrote:And our success and failure (which is all that really matters in this discussion) clearly shows that without a very good RB we do poorly. After Lynch left we went your route and never got the balance required to be consistent on Offense. It was all centered around Wilson having to pull it off and to his credit he did it more often than not. How many times did we end the year by picking up ageing RBs or guys off the street because we couldn't get a run game going with the injuries? It was because we didn't have a viable alternative to the #1 RB of the day. That RB got beat up during the year and now we have an extra game to consider. So I say hell yah, take a top RB when you can and spread the load.
NorthHawk wrote:We didn’t need another top RB when we had Lynch, but when he did get hurt our Offense fell off a cliff. It shows how much we would have benefited from another top RB on board and maybe Lynch might not have been injured. Our Offense also was hit hard that game Walker missed last year with Dallas and Homer filling in, so we’ve seen the impact of losing our top RB.
NorthHawk wrote:Partly, but mostly to share the load to try to keep them healthy. As well when contract time comes along we have leverage or can trade or let him go and draft another where we might get a comp pick. Drafting Gibbs or Charbonnet would allow Waldron to add in another dimension to the Offense in the pass game. When was the last time we had a RB who was a receiving threat out of the backfield? It might be back in the Holmgren era with Ricky Watters if I remember correctly.
NorthHawk wrote:We didn’t need another top RB when we had Lynch, but when he did get hurt our Offense fell off a cliff. It shows how much we would have benefited from another top RB on board and maybe Lynch might not have been injured. Our Offense also was hit hard that game Walker missed last year with Dallas and Homer filling in, so we’ve seen the impact of losing our top RB.
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