tarlhawk wrote:So in a nutshell they seem to think he has been winning awards as an over-achiever...hmmm?? Keep "over-achieving! Go Hawks
NorthHawk wrote:Not every team needs a Center or upgrade so how many passed who had C as a priority isn’t known. We’ve needed one for years and I’m concerned that we will go one another fruitless search like we did for years looking for other OL. For how long has it been seemingly not considered a priority or at least not able to fix until possibly last year?
I really hope it works out.
NorthHawk wrote:Isn't the only other pure Center we drafted since Unger Joey Hunt?
Considering the revolving door at that position, it's not really recognizing the issue and addressing it. It's been more like throw some bodies at it and make do.
I'm hoping this changes things for the longer term.
Old but Slow wrote:The team targeted the center position as many expected, and they were in a position to take any of them. There were centers rated higher, but that is opinion, and our front office decided that Oluwatimi fit the bill. That they were able to get him as late as they did sounds to me like a steal. Have I ever been wrong? Why I remember when I...oh, well, I'll see myself out.
RiverDog wrote:If Olu is a steal in the 6th, we weren't targeting him or the position. They would have taken him much higher.
RiverDog wrote:If Olu is a steal in the 6th, we weren't targeting him or the position. They would have taken him much higher.
tarlhawk wrote:Olu was taken in the 5th (same round we got Tariq Woolen in) and Seattle picked value based on its draft board whether influenced by scouts or coaches the decisions time and again took value. Olu was kind of a low ceiling high floor guy while Woolen was seen as a low floor high ceiling type of guy. High floor almost defines "plug and play" while low floor is a project who needs coached up. Both "types" of players usually fall in the draft...we might have had higher centers on our board but higher value players remained ahead of where other teams gobbled them up so our draft didn't reflect need as much as it represented value. Only Charbonnet held value outside of most of the fan base posting and might be viewed as a "luxury" pick...but he just might prove to be the "expected" to give our draft class a respected high value on returns over the next few years as draft selections become re-visited.
But my point still stands: Olu was an opportunity pick, not a targeted player or position. And in addition to Charbonnet, it can be argued that JSN was a luxury/value pick as well, since unless we plan on using '11' personnel as our primary offense, something that would defeat the purpose of taking another running back as it's a passing offense and not run first, he's not going to start ahead of Metcalf and Lockett.
MackStrongIsMyHero wrote: At least Olu has some legit chops on his resume for the position.
MackStrongIsMyHero wrote:If he becomes an effective starter he is very much a steal targeted or not. I really like pick, but I’m trying not to get my hopes up.
tarlhawk wrote:Your point and use of "this regime" lacks supporting substantive basis to rise above speculation. As the opinion of a fan its true and respected...I have just been accustomed to you using more reference when wanting to express an opinion more strongly.
MackStrongIsMyHero wrote:I wonder if their plan would have changed had they not picked up Evan Brown. That would have really driven it home had they waited until the 5th to pick a center when they basically had nobodies currently on the roster. Picking up Brown and then drafting Olu - a guy who played C his whole collegiate career with a long list of awards at a power 5 program - shows more attention to the position than seasons past. Should the situation not improve this season, I would hope they look to address it earlier in the 2024 draft.
MackStrongIsMyHero wrote:I am not enamored with the guy; others may be. I’m noting that they think he’s a guy that can play the position and that may have influenced their approach to the draft. He’s had a few years to develop and he did start some games for the Lions last season. Remains to be seen if that means anything, and, like you said, they didn’t retain him.
I would say Britt was an improvement over what they were running out there between him and Unger, but, no, overall, they haven’t stabilized the position. Brown and Olu are an attempt to make it better. It’s a low bar to clear right now, so at least they have that going for them.
MackStrongIsMyHero wrote:I don’t take it as you criticizing them; just calling it how you see it. The interior has been a weak spot so their efforts have largely been stop gap. At some point, they have to get something better going.
NorthHawk wrote:The travesty of that trade was two fold.
1) They didn't have a viable replacement for Unger (and still haven't found a long term answer)
2) They tried to make Graham a complete TE which he never was nor saw himself as one. Only in the last year iirc did they really give up and start to use him as a big WR instead of an inline TE.
So we really got nothing out of that trade except long term lack of production at Center.
That they would draft players hoping that if they washed out at G or T then they could try them at Center says a lot about how they look at the position.
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