TriCitySam wrote:2020 draft picks that teams have declined to pick up 5th year option (and a couple days to go):
Chase Young - Rd 1, #2
Jeff Okudah - Rd 1, #3
Isiah Simmons - Rd 1, #8
CJ Henderson - Rd 1, #9
Javon Kinlaw - Rd 1, #14
K'Lavon Chaisson - Rd 1, #20
Kenneth Murray - Rd 1, #23
Cesar Ruiz - Rd 1, #24
Patrick McQueen - Rd 1, #28
RiverDog wrote:
We haven't picked up the 5th year option on any of our first-round picks since the clause was inserted into the CBA in 2011. We're the only team never to have exercised it, and it looks like we won't be picking up Jordyn Brooks' 5th year this season, either:
To be fair, there were 4 years where we didn't have a first round pick due to trades. But with our failing to pick up Brooks' contract, we've had 6 first round draft picks that we had the opportunity to extend yet failed to do so. That doesn't speak well to our drafting.
RiverDog wrote:We haven't picked up the 5th year option on any of our first-round picks since the clause was inserted into the CBA in 2011. We're the only team never to have exercised it, and it looks like we won't be picking up Jordyn Brooks' 5th year this season, either:
To be fair, there were 4 years where we didn't have a first round pick due to trades. But with our failing to pick up Brooks' contract, we've had 6 first round draft picks that we had the opportunity to extend yet failed to do so. That doesn't speak well to our drafting.
tarlhawk wrote:5th year options are "handcuffs" to most teams since once executed/signed the entire 5th year becomes fully guaranteed and binding...so whenever injuries surface before a 5th year option (Penny/Brooks/)...player gets traded (Frank Clark)...or fails to live up to potential (Carpenter/Irvin/Ifedi/Collier) the GM will opt out. Noah Fant wasn't drafted by us...but we chose to pick up his 5th year option following the RW trade that made that possible.
Hawktawk wrote:Much like Penney Brooks entered his fifth year injury plagued . Had he been healthy he’d have been picked up. Thankfully we were able to still win some games with this awful terrible roster
tarlhawk wrote:5th year options are a tool for a GM to have control over exposing a first round selection (who blossoms) to free agency. I see the lack of doing it as an observation...not a reflection of a GM's ability to draft. Ownership holds onto good GM's and since John Schneider has been kept since his arrival in 2010 is a bit more telling than any respected opinion outside of ownership...its like saying a GM's draft success is based on if a GM who fails to strike gold in the first round can't draft well even though he maintains a strong draft base resulting in a high rate of winning seasons. Draft positioning for obtaining busts increases the further you get away from selecting in the top ten.
NorthHawk wrote:Although there are a few considerations regarding using the 5th year option, the biggest reason teams use it is to retain a player on a cheaper salary than a new contract would command for a year.
But what it also does is open the players options for Free Agency or being Tagged. So if a team really wants to keep a 1st round pick they will usually use the 5th year option. If they're not sure about that player, usually they won't.
So how many 1st round picks are given the 5th year option is a reflection of how well the team has drafted, and if there are no 5th year options exercised over a long period of time, it does in fact bring into question the drafting success.
I would also add 2nd contracts to this discussion as well. These past two drafts look promising but we haven't given 2nd contracts to many or maybe any players in about 6 years not including 1 year prove it deals like with Penny.
NorthHawk wrote:From the 2013 to the 2017 Draft we selected 58 players and 7 got 2nd contracts. So only 12% got 2nd contracts.
I did that calculation a few years ago so I don't know how it went for the 2018 draft onward but probably similar.
These last 2 drafts look like they might change that trend barring coaching changes or serious injury.
Coaching changes can bring about not exercising the 5th year option as well if a player doesn't suit what the new coach wants to do. I'm thinking of a CB who is great in Zone but not as good in Man Defense and the team goes to a 3-4 Defense like us where the CB is on an island a lot of the time. Or they change an Offense and the type of receivers on the team don't really fit the new model.
Hawktawk wrote:Jesus H still at it I see . I wonder how we won a game with this awful talent . Dreadful Stupid no talent coach .
As for Penny 2 games before his huge knee injury he had 138 yards on 13 carries. Back to the pine then hurt on a cheap shot to the knee by a pussy DB that didn’t want to take him on .
He was plenty good enough to start and should have been starting by then other than Carson was very solid as well. But Carson wasnt worth a damn , injured himself every year at playoffs time .
Penny was plenty good enough to have been well worth a first rounder . And had he been healthy going into 2020 the whole story of Seattle and Penny would be different .
NorthHawk wrote:I'm not so sure Carson was the better RB if both were healthy, but he was a better fit for what PC wanted to do on Offense at the time. In today's Offense, it might be the reverse if that option was presented.
RiverDog wrote:To be fair, there were 4 years where we didn't have a first round pick due to trades. But with our failing to pick up Brooks' contract, we've had 6 first round draft picks that we had the opportunity to extend yet failed to do so. That doesn't speak well to our drafting."
TriCitySam wrote:Brooks was a very good pick, and as Carroll indicated they plan to have him here for a long time. It was a cap move, and the correct one. Now, is there a chance he doesn't come back from the injury? Sure. But that does not change the fact that it was a good pick on their part. He can play.
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