jshawaii22 wrote:If they were only looking at last year, then Geno's ranking seems about right. I think the one QB that might be very low is Brock Purdy. He looked really good until he got hurt in the NFL championship game. Aaron Rodgers actually had a good year, but by midway he just went south and didn't care any more. Hard to rate that type of personality issue as a QB. If the media perception of his short time with the J-E-T-S is any indication, he might be the #6.
Since they seem to have taken the crystal ball out for this ranking, who knows at this point. They obviously don't think Geno or the Seahawks will show much improvement. We can all hope they're wrong!
Another difficult quarterback to rank, Smith improbably ranked as a top-five quarterback for much of last season before the wheels fell off a little late in the year. Was that the inevitable regression back to the mean, or was it a product of his pass protection suffering a similar late-season collapse
tarlhawk wrote:I've already made known my thoughts on Geno in other posts so I see reasons to feel confident Geno can be even better in 2023. Things that normally cause a regression in a QB are many : Change in Offensive Coordinators/loss of significant play makers who played key roles/loss or injury of key O-line/change in coach/personal injury suffered with lasting results/outside the NFL events that have direct bearing on the QB/QB becomes satisfied and no longer has ambition or drive. None of these concerns have appeared in Geno's preparation for this year.
In camp Pete noted Geno did some upper body work and looked physically better. His team mates in camp have echoed the sentiment that Geno has looked sharp and confident...and most importantly...happy with his contract. No signs of discord as the season approaches with more offensive improvements going forward. Our O-line continues to add youth and promise to building a solid "home grown" line. Evan Brown will compete at center to be that "outsider" who wins a starting spot. The additions of Zach Charbonnet, Kenny McIntosh and Jaxon Smith Njigba with rejuvenated early outlooks on Dee Eskridge and Dareke Young all point to the seeds are there to have an even more explosive offense that is capable of early leads and sustained long drives. This optimism is with our TE group not adding to their accomplishments from last year. Go Hawks
RiverDog wrote:I'd probably have ranked Geno a tad bit higher, above Derek Carr, Deshaun Watson, and Dak Prescott, who led the league in interceptions.
Aaron Rodgers, in my opinion, is ranked way ahead of where he should be. Jared Goff at #16 is ranked too low, should be top 10.
Comments?
RiverDog wrote:I'd probably have ranked Geno a tad bit higher, above Derek Carr, Deshaun Watson, and Dak Prescott, who led the league in interceptions.
Aaron Rodgers, in my opinion, is ranked way ahead of where he should be. Jared Goff at #16 is ranked too low, should be top 10.
Comments?
Oly wrote:Those are my thoughts on Geno exactly. We really had a bimodal distribution with Geno last year—either top 5 or middle of the pack—so right around #10 splits the difference. It's like the person who made the list recognized that fact but then threw out the great games when placing him. I think that his tackles hitting the rookie wall was a bigger factor in his decline than anything else, but I still have that nagging stat about dropped interceptions keeping me from being 100% on the Geno-as-top-tier train.
Also agreed on the others you mentioned, except Goff. I think Goff is a good game manager, but guys in the top 10 are ones that you think "we're winning because of this player" and I don't know that Goff puts teams on his back. I know his stats last year were good and I'll admit I haven't seen enough of his play with the Lions to judge him fairly, but until I do I'll trust my memory of his resume with the Rams. Rodgers is too high, but I'm not ready to drop him below #8 quite yet. That's where I see a gap in tiers, and I respect his play too much to drop him down a tier before I see a few games.
Oly wrote:Other thoughts:
-Cousins is too high. I'd kick him and Prescott out of the top 10 and have Tua, Stafford, and Geno as 9-11 in some order.
-I'd have Russ a little higher (probably 16 or 17) because I think Payton will get more out of him, but I saw enough bad decision making even in his twilight with the Hawks to think he'll ever recover to top 10-12.
-The bottom 10 is really bad. It seems that the level of play you usually find in the bottom 5 has spread to more teams.
-I feel for Richardson, but I agree with this ranking. I would have been happy if the Hawks drafted him because I think he can be very good, but the Colts don't have weapons for him and I think he's going to be ruined in Indy. I live in Indiana so it will be interesting to see how long my friends take to sour on him.
RiverDog wrote:I appreciate your thoughts on Geno, but they don't exactly relate to the theme of the thread, which is a subjective ranking of the 32 starting quarterbacks.
So, with that in mind, do you think that a #15 overall rating for Geno is accurate? And what about the other quarterbacks around the league? Do you think that a #5 ranking for Aaron Rodgers is fair? And what do you make about the disrespect shown towards Russell Wilson?
NorthHawk wrote:As said above, these rankings are subjective, and outside of Mahomes, it's quite possible to see a number of QBs ranked differently. Some people I hear and read suggest that Lamar Jackson should be around the 3 or 4 range and some will think Josh Allen should be much lower because of his turnover rate. These ranking will look much different in December than today. That much is pretty a given.
My list would be:
Mahomes
Burrow
Rodgers
Allen
Jackson
Hurts
But in the end it's just another opinion.
I also don't get the love for Jackson. In my book, he's down a peg or two from Mahomes, Allen, and Burrow. He certainly doesn't have much of a playoff record. IMO he's 2nd tier.
I also don't get the love for Jackson. In my book, he's down a peg or two from Mahomes, Allen, and Burrow. He certainly doesn't have much of a playoff record. IMO he's 2nd tier.
MackStrongIsMyHero wrote:Seconded. I don't care about his athleticism (no one has said anything about it, but that seems to be the mainstream draw to him), Jackson doesn't belong in the conversation with top guys. I'd take Geno over him any day.
NorthHawk wrote:I think he's underrated a little as a passer. With the new OC, we will see a different style of play from them so it will show if he is in fact a good QB and not just a huge threat in the run game.
obiken wrote:Yeah River, Wilson will be way better this year, I am not hoping for it but I think its a reality.
RiverDog wrote:Since we don't have any draft picks at stake this season,
RiverDog wrote:Since we don't have any draft picks at stake this season,
tarlhawk wrote:We traded down in the 3rd round in this years 2023 draft with Denver giving them our 3rd rd pick while getting their 4th rd pick ...AND a 2024 3rd Round pick as well...so no high 1rst or 2nd rd selections at play...but a bad Bronco season would elevate the 3rd rd pick they "owe us". Go Hawks
RiverDog wrote:"Way" better might not happen, but it's inevitable that the Broncos will fare better this season than last. They have a solid, top 10 defense. Even a marginal improvement on offense should be enough to get them into the playoffs.
Since we don't have any draft picks at stake this season, it won't be as captivating as it was last year, but how Russell performs under Payton will be one of those interesting dramas to watch.
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