MackStrongIsMyHero wrote:With 16 games left to play, it isn't a disaster, yet. Dropping your home opener to a division opponent in the manner that they did after the program looked to be heading in the right direction didn't give me any warm fuzzies. Some lessons are best learned after falling flat on your face, but this wasn't a team that was supposed to have to learn that lesson and that way. I hope this pitiful outing straightens them out, or they will head for a disaster. Detroit is every bit as good as the Rams.
Our bookends being injured is very concerning. Some of the offensive troubles in the second half would have to be attributed to them going down. If they are down a significant amount of time, that's not something that a coach can fix.
curmudgeon wrote:Looking ahead, there may be only a couple of wins on this years schedule. That would be a disaster, other than great drafting position. Unless of course, they panic and trade it away in an attempt to salvage this season…….
RiverDog wrote:Well, McVay seemed to have fixed his OL troubles. The Rams offensive line has been in flux all offseason. As of last Thursday, they didn't even know what their starting lineup was going to be:
Rams are somehow still 'figuring out' their starting offensive line
For the last few weeks, we’ve gotten at least a little bit of clarity on the offensive line. Alaric Jackson looks like the starting left tackle, Steve Avila will be at left guard and Rob Havenstein is locked in at right tackle. Tremayne Anchrum Jr. appears to have the edge at right guard over Joe Noteboom, but that may not be the case based on what LaFleur is saying. And the same goes for Coleman Shelton at center, with Brian Allen also competing there.
And despite playing in one of the loudest, most challenging environments, they did just fine, allowing zero sacks, putting together 6 drives of 9+ plays with no 3-and-outs, and a 2:1 TOP advantage.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/ra ... r-AA1gqTIW
By all rights, we should have beaten this team with one hand tied behind our backs.
MackStrongIsMyHero wrote:Either he (McVay) fixed it or we did a piss poor job of challenging them. Stafford had a ton of easy looks over the middle. Pressure was non existent; Hurt rarely sent more than 4. The OLB were consistently ridden all the way around the pocket by the tackles; where were the inside moves? DBs weren't playing anywhere close to the line. Tutu Atwell and Puka Nacua should not have had the kind of day they had. McVay got the most out of his entire team yesterday.
I don't know who to blame more; Hurt or Carroll, but, like you said, the environment and their Oline should have favored the Seahawks defense.
RiverDog wrote:Well, McVay seemed to have fixed his OL troubles.
Aseahawkfan wrote:This season looks to be a bad one. I hope our tackles are not seriously hurt because Geno 100% needs an O-line to function well at all. He doesn't do well under pressure.
4XPIPS wrote:Well these are my thoughts, and I would agree with most of what I have read here. This game alone is an absolute disaster, and I hope it's the butt kick we need to bring our team back to reality that we are not as good as we sold ourselves to be.
Our Offense:
Our offense lacks an offensive leader, and I would hope that someone like Geno and Lockett can slap DK straight and stop letting his emotions get the best of him. Our style is far to predictable and lacks any creativity. Even Patrick Mahomes played a few series in the preseason, and Geno saw next to nothing in preseason and it showed. The protection is below average at best and the only bright spot is that our run game at times can get us in 3rd and manageable. Pete's style of run - run - pass does not work in today's offense.
Our Defense:
Am I am surprised that we gave up goal line runs for TDs, nope not at all as this defense gives up critical runs more often than not. Wait till we go up against a house hold name of a RB like a Christian McCaffrey and it will be a career night for him. Not sure if Clint Hurtt is much of an upgrade from Ken Norton, but it shows that we are stuck in the soft zone all game with a lack of pass rush. Our defense is predicated on an effective pass rush and placing our LBS and DBS in a cover zone to react to plays beneath them. Well since we can't generate much any pass rush this gives Stafford plenty of time to have his WR develop his route right across the middle and pick us a part, and he did this over and over again. You could have taken any crossing route in this game and see that our defense is a mirror image of last year, and the years prior. I am sitting there with my wife and I am telling her right before the snap, watch Stafford will drop back and take 2 to 3 secs and hit his WR right across the middle, and bam its there.
3rd downs were an absolute tough watch, didn't matter if it was 3rd and 4 or 3rd and 14+ this defense can not get off the field. I happy to see Bobby back in a Hawks uni, but father time has caught up with him and he was so out of position on lot of those short yardage runs.
Tre Brown, not sure if Michael Jackson is an upgrade, but why on earth is he out there? He can't tackle to save his life, and his coverage skills are atrocious. I guess I would have rather seen MJ out there because he can actually stick a tackle.
Pathetic Coaching:
Pure failure on both sides. Pete should be embarrassed to field a team so unready to play and not hold DK accountable for his actions. Belichick would have not tolerated this, even if the game was out of hand. There is too much individual talent on this team to lose like, hell even the Cardinals had a shot to beat the Commanders on the road.
I believe we have the talent to be a winning team, but it starts with the coaching and the team leaders and they both get an F after yesterday. It's a long season ahead and I can only hope they figure it out soon, otherwise we will be looking at quick fall grace from what was a great story last season.
Stream Hawk wrote:Jalen Carter hauntings begin. He was a freaking STUD yesterday. However, I could see him playing here and just disappearing. I think Hurtt/Carroll's defense is the weak link on this team. Another poster commented on the scheme requiring a solid pass rush to work; we don't have that. We really do not have the talent either. A Carter pick would have started an influx of D line talent. Teams that win with defense (Philly, Dallas, and SF to name a few) all start with a dominant D Line. Heck, look at Detroit's line with Hutchinson. We will see how they dominate us next week.
I am very disappointed that I drank the Kool-Aid. Unless we pull off a season-saving victory next week in Detroit, I will join River in calling for Pete's head. It sucks, but this is a "what have you done for me lately" business and we are now a decade removed from dominance.
Stream Hawk wrote:Jalen Carter hauntings begin. He was a freaking STUD yesterday. However, I could see him playing here and just disappearing. I think Hurtt/Carroll's defense is the weak link on this team. Another poster commented on the scheme requiring a solid pass rush to work; we don't have that. We really do not have the talent either. A Carter pick would have started an influx of D line talent. Teams that win with defense (Philly, Dallas, and SF to name a few) all start with a dominant D Line. Heck, look at Detroit's line with Hutchinson. We will see how they dominate us next week.
I am very disappointed that I drank the Kool-Aid. Unless we pull off a season-saving victory next week in Detroit, I will join River in calling for Pete's head. It sucks, but this is a "what have you done for me lately" business and we are now a decade removed from dominance.
RiverDog wrote:I don't care if Carter ends up in the HOF. It was the right decision to pass on him. Way too much of a risk to spend a #5 overall.
NorthHawk wrote:He wouldn't have had the same support system here. In Philadelphia he has a lot of veterans and a talent laden DL to take the pressure off of him as well he has a lot of former team mates that provide a sense of
comfort in his early years. The pressure on him here would have been enormous and I'm not sure how he would handle it. Add that to the character concerns and it wouldn't be a good fit IMO.
HawkSis wrote:And I am so sad I didn’t strike first with this thread, but retirement takes up a lot of my free time.
HawkSis wrote:And I am so sad I didn’t strike first with this thread, but retirement takes up a lot of my free time.
4XPIPS wrote:https://www.si.com/nfl/seahawks/news/seattle-seahawks-tre-brown-julian-love-los-angeles-rams-week-1-defense-youth-second-half
Here is a nice little write up on how much of a disaster Tre Brown was for us. That sad part was that we didn't make adjustments through out the game and stayed in our soft zone coverage through out the game. I believe everyone deserves a shot and I know Tre Brown was injured early on when he was drafted, but has he even shown enough to warrant being a back up player? It's like we swapped Tre Flowers for Tre Brown and not much has changed since.
RiverDog wrote:The biggest problem with our pass defense was our pass rush, or lack thereof. I read somewhere that in addition to zero sacks, we had just one QB hit. The best secondary in the league isn't going to hold up under that lack pressure, especially when you have a veteran QB like Mathew Stafford back there.
RiverDog wrote:The biggest problem with our pass defense was our pass rush, or lack thereof. I read somewhere that in addition to zero sacks, we had just one QB hit. The best secondary in the league isn't going to hold up under that lack pressure, especially when you have a veteran QB like Mathew Stafford back there.
MackStrongIsMyHero wrote:I was surprised our OLB's consistently went wide and let the OT's ride them all the way around the pocket. Very few attempts at inside moves. Coupled with know push in center, Stafford had no trouble stepping up. Hurt has to figure this out. Going to have to take some risks and send more than 4 guys.
RiverDog wrote:I don't care if Carter ends up in the HOF. It was the right decision to pass on him. Way too much of a risk to spend a #5 overall.
4XPIPS wrote:We drafted Bruce Irvin in the first round who had character flaws and off the field issues. So weren't immune to not taking risk on players in the draft with prior or current off the field issues, but passing on Carter for Witherspoon will be something we will debate over time if Carter turns into an Aaron Donald type of player.
RiverDog wrote:Irvin's character issues were nothing compared to the red flags that were associated with Carter. If you want a fair comparison, trading for Percy Harvin given his character issues would be a closer analogy, but even that's quite a stretch.
RiverDog wrote:Irvin's character issues were nothing compared to the red flags that were associated with Carter. If you want a fair comparison, trading for Percy Harvin given his character issues would be a closer analogy, but even that's quite a stretch.
4XPIPS wrote:I agree, the level of a "red flag" severity does carry weight, but I guess I was trying to justify that the Seahawks have drafted players in the past who have had some baggage. Certainly high speed racing resulting in the death of a colleague reflects poorly on his judgement. It's still a head scratcher because of the pain of winning at what cost sometimes reflects poorly on who you win with.
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