4XPIPS wrote:This is a bold statement and most likely will never happen. I know there is a big difference between should we vs will it actually happen.
Here are my thoughts, but I am fed up with him and I don't think Pete or anyone else in this organization can get through to him. I believe DK will do what DK does and if that means he lets his temper take over and his actions result in pointless penalties, well we all know that will continue. I credit him for playing through injuries and whenever there is a turnover he hustles to make the tackle. However, I am not sure if or how much of the offense is designed around him. I would be happy to see Bobo out there more than DK at this point. I know it wouldn't happen, but what if it did. I think we could get something for him. Would our offense suffer if he was not in the rotation?
NorthHawk wrote:To answer the question, no we shouldn't trade DK.
WRs are diva's by nature so it comes with the territory and I just expect it from most to some degree.
NorthHawk wrote:When I think NFL Diva, I think WR. So to me it's a common quality found at that position more than others. CB might be the closest, but WR is the first thing to come to mind for me.
NorthHawk wrote:To answer the question, no we shouldn't trade DK.
WRs are diva's by nature so it comes with the territory and I just expect it from most to some degree.
jshawaii22 wrote:[url]https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/dk-metcalf-vows-not-to-change-the-way-he-plays[/url]
If we intend to draft a QB this year, in what looks like one of the best groups of good and possibly great QB's to come out, then by all means, let trade him and use the picks to move up in the draft.
I doubt we get more then a mid-first at this point but you never know. DK is not a "1" -- he's a 1.5 at best and probably a 2. He still doesn't use his body enough to get defenders off him without using his hands.
it's what it is. We have another 9-8 or similar year and won't improve without making changes.
NorthHawk wrote:I've always been torn about these type of things.
On the one hand a team doesn't get better trading away good talent, but on the other hand it can become an issue for both the team and success.
We don't know what's going on outside of the game and whether or not he's a disruption of the team. I doubt that because Pete, for all of his faults can see that and would act to mitigate the changes.
Whether it's team discipline, or other motivational means, he's all about the team and chemistry.
RiverDog wrote:
Like I said, all Pete does is give the issue lip service. Metcalf does as he pleases with no fear of even the mildest of discipline by directly disobeying the head coach.
Metcalf is a marked man who has established a reputation for himself, not only with opposing players, but the officials as well. Referees are human beings, and many of them don't like Metcalf's behavior, either, because he puts them on the spot. He's not going to get a break from them.
NorthHawk wrote:The problem with trading a player like DK is we would be pursuing a trade which puts us in a weak position.
Instead of getting a 1st rounder for him we might have difficulty getting a high 2nd round pick.
We also would have to look at a team that might use him and his talents.
To me, the Colts would be a good choice with a young QB who has a big arm. DK would have about half of a year to understand the Colts Offense before Richardson gets back on the field.
Another team might be the Titans who lost AJ Brown and are still looking for a big WR. The Bears might be desperate enough and of course there always the Donkeys (but they might have had enough of trading with us).
Texans and commanders come to mind as well, but how high of a pick would they give up?
The worst teams if they have a young QB will probably be able to get a good WR in the draft. That will eliminate a couple of possibilities, but if we are lucky an early 2nd might be achievable.
4XPIPS wrote:I still think he can garner a 1st round pick, but it would be select few teams out there.
c_hawkbob wrote:Should Detroit have traded Calvin Johnson after his first 4 years over a few extra penalties? I know you guys don't like to talk "Hall of Fame worthy" but a direct comparison of Megatron to DK over their first 4 years put him on exactly that kind of pace:
DK Metcalf: 306 rec (499 targets, 61.3% catch rate), 4218 yards, 35 TDs
Megatron: 270 rec (517 targets, 52.2% catch rate), 4191 yards, 33 TDs
And you guys wanna give up on him now? Sorry but it's just silly.
c_hawkbob wrote:You act like it's an either/or proposition: great team or great players, it's not. Megatron was a great player on a bad team, like Tez. And also like Tez he wasn't the reason they were a bad team.
My comparison's validity is in the almost identical physical makeup and skillset of the two platers. What we'd be giving up on as a player if we traded him away now.
NorthHawk wrote:And that gets back to my conundrum of do you improve your team by trading away good talent?
If it means getting a real good QBOTF, then it would also mean one less receiver to throw to. But maybe it might be for the best in the longer term.
For me, this is just for discussion purposes and I don't think he should be traded at this time, but it's interesting to explore ideas of where he could go and how much compensation he would get.
I do think we overvalue our own players and would be surprised if we got more than a 1st for him and just as surprised if we got a high 1st should they trade him.
NorthHawk wrote:Tyreek Hill is a game changer. DK isn't and I'm not sure he ever could be. He can make big plays at times but he's not the constant threat the top WRs are. And then there's the penalties.
Again, if we try to trade him we will be in a weaker position than if a team came calling about him. So I doubt we would get a 1st round pick unless it's very late and the equivalent of a 2nd rounder except that we would have a 5th year option.
What I am saying is that if the opportunity presents itself, if we get an offer of a 1st rounder plus, that we should strongly consider trading him. If we get offered two #1's, we'd be fools not to.
https://atozsports.com/seattle/seahawks ... EH2FnuDRPoSilly things happen after tough losses. That seems to be what is happening for some fans of the Seattle Seahawks after the loss to the Bengals.
c_hawkbob wrote:I don't know who this Kareem Elgazzar is but I swear he's lurking here, he wrote this:
Silly things happen after tough losses. That seems to be what is happening for some fans of the Seattle Seahawks after the loss to the Bengals. https://atozsports.com/seattle/seahawks ... EH2FnuDRPo
I swear I wrote my post before this dude...
Aseahawkfan wrote:I'd trade DK for a quality O-line player over a draft pick at this point. A proven O-line player that can stay on the field. Though who knows, they probably come here and start getting hurt. I'd still trade DK for an O-line guy. We thought that was fixed, but it looks like we'll need to draft more O-line next year.
jshawaii22 wrote:Nothing that happened today changed my opinion that we can live without DK moving forward if we can get a decent return for him. We will need a new QB in 2 years, so in order to draft one of the top coming out this year we probably will need to move up. JSN looked good on the 4 targets, but then they stopped throwing to him. Not sure why.
NorthHawk wrote:They have to change the Safety situation before WR, in my opinion. Not enough productivity for too much money.
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