Spohawk5092 wrote:I like Pete, but, clearly I think its time for someone else. Hawks are too predictable, and I think its time for a new change. Petes comments about forgetting to call a time out last sunday when it was a 4th and 1, and we ended up with another false start penalty don't help.
4XPIPS wrote:Well we can all hope and want something, and I don't disagree we need a coaching change for sure. However, regardless how this Season ends Pete will most likely remain our coach. He will be our Coach until he decides to hang it up and that can be a few more years as he still has a ton of energy given his age. Jody Allen doesn't give me the impression she wants to change things up considering it's in Paul's will to sell the Seahawks down the line. I do appreciate what Pete has brought to the Hawk's organization, but a change won't be happening. Even if we lose out the remainder of our games, which is highly unlikely, Pete will not be fired.
TriCitySam wrote:Fandom....a sure path to 3-14.
TriCitySam wrote:Fandom....a sure path to 3-14.
TriCitySam wrote:Fandom....a sure path to 3-14.
EmeraldBullet wrote:Meh, let Pete finish the Geno era out. Hes a great coach to have coaching up our young defense. Then when its time for a new QB get a new coach. But I think letting our young D develope before getting a new QB and head coach is important if we want to get to the next level and be superbowl contenders.
EmeraldBullet wrote:Meh, let Pete finish the Geno era out. Hes a great coach to have coaching up our young defense. Then when its time for a new QB get a new coach. But I think letting our young D develope before getting a new QB and head coach is important if we want to get to the next level and be superbowl contenders.
4XPIPS wrote:This makes no sense at all. You are saying lets keep Pete around till Geno is done, which quite soon to be honest, coach up this young defense and let Pete go, and bring in a new coach.... who will more than likely bring his own DC and start it all over. Unless you have not been watching, our defense has been a shell of it self since the the SB runs, and since then we have shuffled in a mix of veterans, FA signings, and draft picks and this defense has never been "coached up" since Pete as has been here. It has been subpar for a long time, and a complete rebuild with a new coaching staff is something we need.
Aseahawkfan wrote:As of next year it will have been a decade since our last Super Bowl and a decade since we made it past the divisional playoff round. In the eight years since our last Super Bowl we have missed the playoffs twice, lost 3 divisional games, and lost 3 wild care games. This year is yet to be determined.
That is 8 years of not being within sniffing distance of a Super Bowl. Rams have won another Super Bowl in that time. 49ers have been to another Super Bowl and lost two conference championship games.
Arizona has done worse than us.
If we lose early in the playoffs this year, it will be year 9 of not coming within sniffing distance of a Super Bowl.
2024 will be year 10. I'm not sure how long you give a head coach to get back to competing for a Super Bowl, but we haven't been a real contender for the last eight years. Not sure how much longer people want to wait.
trents wrote:Sure, we have a lot of young players who are still maturing but all those penalties, especially the one where Wollen? body slammed the ball carrier near the sideline, is why we lost that game today. Young players or not, I put a lot of that on Pete failing to instill discipline in the team. They are just too often out of control.
NorthHawk wrote:Bad penalties and a lack of situational awareness has been a consistent theme under Carroll. We've succeeded in the good years with superior talent, but now don't have the ability to overcome brain farts.
RiverDog wrote:
I beg your pardon, but why is it that when there's an opinion or opinions opposite of yours, especially when it comes to our head coach, that it's "fandom" or some other generalized term indicating that we're part of the ignorant masses? Are you saying that your take isn't "fandom", that yours is the expert opinion?
You're a good football mind and a valued poster and I don't mean to pick a fight with you, but I sure get the impression that you're looking down on the rest of us by dismissing our thoughts as amateurish. You're part of the same "fandom" as the rest of us poor slobs.
TriCitySam wrote:When the suggestion is constantly made to fire Pete, it's essentially saying that unless you're team is one of the top 2 or 3 in the league on a regular basis, you fire the coach - which means you fire the other 30. Who has performed better than Pete? One: Andy Reid, now you can't even say Belichick. So yeah, I think to suggest that when you're 6-3 is foolish - and the comment was not exactly a rant.....and by the way RD, NO ONE on this board has a higher opinion of himself than you, so don't pitch $h$t to me.
TriCitySam wrote:When the suggestion is constantly made to fire Pete, it's essentially saying that unless you're team is one of the top 2 or 3 in the league on a regular basis, you fire the coach - which means you fire the other 30. Who has performed better than Pete? One: Andy Reid, now you can't even say Belichick. So yeah, I think to suggest that when you're 6-3 is foolish - and the comment was not exactly a rant.....and by the way RD, NO ONE on this board has a higher opinion of himself than you, so don't pitch $h$t to me.
Aseahawkfan wrote:Yeah. You can say Bill B. He has three more championships since Pete arrived including a head to head win against Pete in the Super Bowl because of the stupidest play call in Super Bowl history that started our downward spiral. Way to cherry pick. The Rams coach McVay has the same number of Super Bowls and been to a second one he lost. Mike Tomlin has the same number of Super Bowls. John Harbaugh has the same number of Super Bowls and one more Conference Championship, one less trip to the Super Bowl.
Eagles won a Super Bowl under Pedersen. Went to a second time under Sirianni in 2022. Are a real contender right now. What is their main common denominator? Good GM picking great players to replenish the team.
What is better? Championships? You want a decent regular season record and you're happy?
You can add a lot of coaches when you look who has done Championships because Pete hasn't come within sniffing distance of a Championship in 8 years. Plenty of people have trips to the playoffs. 14 of 32 teams make the playoffs every year. 44% of the league makes the playoffs. That is nearly half the league. I've used that argument about Pete before. It no longer applies, it especially doesn't apply if you want to start cherry picking time periods.
We can hold on to Pete as long as he feels like staying, do the Rooney Steelers thing hoping he can find the path to glory again which doesn't usually happen for anyone not named Bill B with a Tom Brady at QB. Even Andy Reid had to go to a new team to find the path to glory again.
The tired argument who has done better than Pete don't hold water any more. Plenty of have done as well as Pete and as you yourself stated, Andy Reid is now clearly on the list of done better over the same time period Pete's been in the league along with Bill B. How many more coaches need to match or exceed Pete before it's obvious we need a new coach?
Oly wrote:I'm inclined to agree with you. There are several head coaches out there with recent resumes more impressive than Pete's, and it's not going to get better as the league evolves and Pete doesn't evolve with it. Pete's a tier below the elite coaches. He is in the next one, though, and there are far more head coaches worse than him than better than him. If we could be guaranteed to land a coach in that elite tier, I think the Hawks would have to make that deal in a heartbeat.
...but...what is the probability that one of the best coaches comes to south Alaska? Or that the coach that seems to be in that tier will be able to live up to that promise with the Hawks? It's possible, of course, but how many franchises have successfully moved on from their best coach in franchise history and immediately landed the successor to that title? The Steelers? I'm sure there are historical examples, but it's far more likely we get another Jim Mora debacle than one of the new elite coaches in the league. The grass is rarely greener on the other side of the fence.
So while I'm ready to move on from Pete (last week's penalty-fest really solidified that for me), I would bet that his replacement will be worse. So do the Hawks continue with the high-floor, low-ceiling status quo—and a team with a positive, healthy culture created by Pete that players and fans appreciate—or do they jump into the inevitable multi-year cycle of going through shitty coaches until they land one with a higher ceiling? I'm honestly not sure which I prefer. I'm just glad I'm not the one who has to make that call.
Oly wrote:I'm inclined to agree with you. There are several head coaches out there with recent resumes more impressive than Pete's, and it's not going to get better as the league evolves and Pete doesn't evolve with it. Pete's a tier below the elite coaches. He is in the next one, though, and there are far more head coaches worse than him than better than him. If we could be guaranteed to land a coach in that elite tier, I think the Hawks would have to make that deal in a heartbeat.
...but...what is the probability that one of the best coaches comes to south Alaska? Or that the coach that seems to be in that tier will be able to live up to that promise with the Hawks? It's possible, of course, but how many franchises have successfully moved on from their best coach in franchise history and immediately landed the successor to that title? The Steelers? I'm sure there are historical examples, but it's far more likely we get another Jim Mora debacle than one of the new elite coaches in the league. The grass is rarely greener on the other side of the fence.
So while I'm ready to move on from Pete (last week's penalty-fest really solidified that for me), I would bet that his replacement will be worse. So do the Hawks continue with the high-floor, low-ceiling status quo—and a team with a positive, healthy culture created by Pete that players and fans appreciate—or do they jump into the inevitable multi-year cycle of going through shitty coaches until they land one with a higher ceiling? I'm honestly not sure which I prefer. I'm just glad I'm not the one who has to make that call.
Aseahawkfan wrote:If Paul Allen were still the owner, the chance is 100%. He would have already moved to put Pete and John on notice due to a lack of results.
With Jody Allen as owner, who knows. That is the real wild card and the cost of losing Paul Allen. Prior to losing Paul Allen, no one would have thought twice about a new coach as they new Paul Allen would find a great coach. Now we're in limbo land for ownership and no idea how they will do finding a new coach. That's the only reason you have as much hesitance as we do for getting a new head coach and GM. No one knows what current ownership will do to obtain a new head coach.
Spohawk5092 wrote:Hawks need to clean house after this season, from top to bottom IMO. Need to get back to what we were, namely a winning team and one that went into the playoffs that were not one and done.
4XPIPS wrote:As Pete Carroll is Exec Vice President of Football Operations, who over rules what John Schneider says or wants to do, he isn't going to clean himself out of a job. Buckle in because as long as Pete chooses to coach he won't be going anywhere. The only way he can salvage anything at this point is to strike gold with another bruising running back and a QB who can work off script and make accurate passes and read the blitz, and be elite while being pressured... someone like early Russ.
This game has been and will always been won at the line of scrimmage. Whomever dominates the line of scrimmage on both sides of the ball will always come out on top. There are a lot fancy name players on losing teams who play WR, QB, RB, yet anything outside of the line of scrimmage is just window dressing. For all the years Pete has been here he hit gold with Russ who could cover up a bad offensive line, and he did mange to have an effective pass rush early when you had a front with Mebane, Irvin, Clemons, and Bennet and company. However since then it has been a mediocre attempt to find that group that can dominate the line.
If Pete chooses to coach another 3 years, he will be here for another years.
NorthHawk wrote:Is it just me or does it seem the fan support is shifting on this regime?
When I filter through some of the stories by media and comments on other forums and websites, I get the feeling that there are many more wanting change than a couple of years ago.
But maybe it's just me hoping I'm not alone.
NorthHawk wrote:Is it just me or does it seem the fan support is shifting on this regime?
When I filter through some of the stories by media and comments on other forums and websites, I get the feeling that there are many more wanting change than a couple of years ago.
But maybe it's just me hoping I'm not alone.
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