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by **RiverDog** » Wed Nov 29, 2023 1:56 pm

NorthHawk wrote:I think so, too with the exception of us getting a new owner. Then all bets are off.

I wouldn't hold my breath. Every indication is that Jody doesn't plan on selling anytime soon. We could be stuck with her for another 20 years.

by **Stream Hawk** » Wed Nov 29, 2023 2:31 pm

4XPIPS wrote:If Pete chooses to coach another 3 years, he will be here for another years.

This quote is terrifying. I sadly agree that it is true :roll:

But this is a horrid indictment on ownership to not have any carrot-or-stick approach to accountability.

by **4XPIPS** » Wed Nov 29, 2023 4:37 pm

NorthHawk wrote:I think so, too with the exception of us getting a new owner. Then all bets are off.

RiverDog wrote:I wouldn't hold my breath. Every indication is that Jody doesn't plan on selling anytime soon. We could be stuck with her for another 20 years.

Speaking of Paul's will, can't seem to find the details anywhere on line but it has been made public that his two major assets the Seahawks and Trailblazers have to be sold and to liquidate the remaining assets. I think there are other parameters on when they will be sold by Jody(10 to 20 years from 2018 time of his death) However, does anyone here know if there is a stipulation as to the new buyer would not be allowed to relocate the team? I have read over the years that some team owners fear if the Seahawks were sold there would be a potential relocation, but I know the city has fought this in the past to block the purchase-relocation of the Seahawks. Not sure how much in detail Paul put out there as to if someone were to purchase the Seahawks they would have to remain in Seattle.

by **RiverDog** » Wed Nov 29, 2023 5:02 pm

4XPIPS wrote:Speaking of Paul's will, can't seem to find the details anywhere on line but it has been made public that his two major assets the Seahawks and Trailblazers have to be sold and to liquidate the remaining assets. I think there are other parameters on when they will be sold by Jody(10 to 20 years from 2018 time of his death) However, does anyone here know if there is a stipulation as to the new buyer would not be allowed to relocate the team? I have read over the years that some team owners fear if the Seahawks were sold there would be a potential relocation, but I know the city has fought this in the past to block the purchase-relocation of the Seahawks. Not sure how much in detail Paul put out there as to if someone were to purchase the Seahawks they would have to remain in Seattle.

A few things about a potential sale: As part of the agreement for state financing of the stadium, if the team were to be sold before May of 2024, the team would be subject to a 10% sales tax on the proceeds. Due to that clause, it's been speculated that it would not be sold before 2025. Jody has made the statement that due to the complexity of the trust that it could take 10-20 years before the team is sold according to the wishes of her late brother. She said that there is no timeline by which the team must be sold.

As far as I know, there is no clause in Paul's will, nor would I think that the other owners would permit one, that would prohibit an owner from relocating the team. From the owner's point of view, they would be fools to allow such clauses to exist as it would reduce the potential resale value of a team if it were limited to just a specific city or region. They wouldn't be able to blackmail the public into building them a new stadium if the threat to move the team didn't exist. That's likely the reason why the state added the clause about the 10% fee on a resale, so it would discourage a sale to a new owner who would move the team.

by **4XPIPS** » Wed Nov 29, 2023 5:33 pm

4XPIPS wrote:Speaking of Paul's will, can't seem to find the details anywhere on line but it has been made public that his two major assets the Seahawks and Trailblazers have to be sold and to liquidate the remaining assets. I think there are other parameters on when they will be sold by Jody(10 to 20 years from 2018 time of his death) However, does anyone here know if there is a stipulation as to the new buyer would not be allowed to relocate the team? I have read over the years that some team owners fear if the Seahawks were sold there would be a potential relocation, but I know the city has fought this in the past to block the purchase-relocation of the Seahawks. Not sure how much in detail Paul put out there as to if someone were to purchase the Seahawks they would have to remain in Seattle.

RiverDog wrote:A few things about a potential sale: As part of the agreement for state financing of the stadium, if the team were to be sold before May of 2024, the team would be subject to a 10% sales tax on the proceeds. Due to that clause, it's been speculated that it would not be sold before 2025. Jody has made the statement that due to the complexity of the trust that it could take 10-20 years before the team is sold according to the wishes of her late brother. She said that there is no timeline by which the team must be sold.

As far as I know, there is no clause in Paul's will, nor would I think that the other owners would permit one, that would prohibit an owner from relocating the team. From the owner's point of view, they would be fools to allow such clauses to exist as it would reduce the potential resale value of a team if it were limited to just a specific city or region. They wouldn't be able to blackmail the public into building them a new stadium if the threat to move the team didn't exist. That's likely the reason why the state added the clause about the 10% fee on a resale, so it would discourage a sale to a new owner who would move the team.

The availability of a NFL franchise and NBA franchise does not come around often. I could see the possibility of a clause restricting relocation if there was an agreement to acquire the Seahawks and keep the team in Seattle. Again, I am just speculating and don't have any facts to back that. If any NFL or NBA franchise went up for sale, there would be immediate buyers. Jeff Bezos has been linked to wanting to buy a NFL team, and namely the Seahawks franchise. If he did, he would have the buying power to buy both the Seahawks and the Trailblazers.

Now could you imagine Bezos owning the Seahawks? It could happen. It could be a Ted Turner with the Atlanta Braves always on TNT, lol! We could be on Amazon Prime NFL more often.

by **RiverDog** » Wed Nov 29, 2023 6:18 pm

4XPIPS wrote:The availability of a NFL franchise and NBA franchise does not come around often. I could see the possibility of a clause restricting relocation if there was an agreement to acquire the Seahawks and keep the team in Seattle. Again, I am just speculating and don't have any facts to back that. If any NFL or NBA franchise went up for sale, there would be immediate buyers. Jeff Bezos has been linked to wanting to buy a NFL team, and namely the Seahawks franchise. If he did, he would have the buying power to buy both the Seahawks and the Trailblazers.

Now could you imagine Bezos owning the Seahawks? It could happen. It could be a Ted Turner with the Atlanta Braves always on TNT, lol! We could be on Amazon Prime NFL more often.

Here's all I could find on the subject. In the interest of keeping it short, I didn't copy/paste sections of the article pertaining to the Blazers:

There would be plenty of buyer interest in the Seahawks and Portland Trail Blazers if either goes up for sale, but there are no actual reasons to relocate those teams, two specialists in franchise acquisitions said Tuesday.

In fact, Charles H. Baker, the New York-based co-chairman of the Sports Industry Group at the O’Melveny & Myers law firm, said it’s entirely possible billionaire Microsoft founder Paul Allen put conditions in his will blocking relocation if the teams are sold. Baker, who recently represented hedge fund investor David Tepper in his $2.275-billion purchase of the NFL’s Carolina Panthers, said he has no direct knowledge of the Seahawks or Blazers situations but such stipulations aren’t uncommon.

“You can certainly be specific with regards to the directions that you give your executor, including stipulations with respect to where an asset is held,’’Baker said.

Michael Rapkoch, founder of Texas-based Sports Value Consulting who advises investors on buying teams, said there could be court challenges and other means of getting around any such Allen instructions. But ultimately, he added, the NFL and NBA would have to sign off on any relocation and there simply isn’t a good enough reason to.

“You can’t just move a team without the commissioner’s blessing,’’ Rapkoch said. “You have to first make the compelling case.

Worth watching once details of the succession plans emerge is whether any additional role is given to Seahawks general manager John Schneider, who Allen was said by sources to have a great affinity for and believed was crucial to the team’s future success. Also, whether the plan provides for preference to be given any local ownership groups ahead of outside buyers in the event of a sale of either team.

https://www.seattletimes.com/sports/sea ... -unlikely/

I don't think we have to worry about the team moving anytime soon. Seattle is a very good market.

by **4XPIPS** » Wed Nov 29, 2023 6:47 pm

RiverDog wrote:https://www.seattletimes.com/sports/sea ... -unlikely/

I don't think we have to worry about the team moving anytime soon. Seattle is a very good market.

Interesting, that was posted in late 2018 shortly after Paul had passed. Thank you for finding that, and it's quite interesting that John Schneider is mentioned like that. Maybe, there is something in place where Pete retires and John becomes an actual General Manager with out anyone to over rule his decisions, and again just my speculations.

by **RiverDog** » Wed Nov 29, 2023 7:25 pm

RiverDog wrote:https://www.seattletimes.com/sports/sea ... -unlikely/

I don't think we have to worry about the team moving anytime soon. Seattle is a very good market.

4XPIPS wrote:Interesting, that was posted in late 2018 shortly after Paul had passed. Thank you for finding that, and it's quite interesting that John Schneider is mentioned like that. Maybe, there is something in place where Pete retires and John becomes an actual General Manager with out anyone to over rule his decisions, and again just my speculations.

I noticed the part about Schneider, too, and thought the same thing you did, which is why I copied and pasted it. Schneider is signed through the 2027 season, so if Pete moves on, it's a good bet that JS will stay and become an actual general manager and most likely have a lot to say in the hiring of a new HC.

by **Aseahawkfan** » Wed Nov 29, 2023 8:26 pm

4XPIPS wrote:The availability of a NFL franchise and NBA franchise does not come around often. I could see the possibility of a clause restricting relocation if there was an agreement to acquire the Seahawks and keep the team in Seattle. Again, I am just speculating and don't have any facts to back that. If any NFL or NBA franchise went up for sale, there would be immediate buyers. Jeff Bezos has been linked to wanting to buy a NFL team, and namely the Seahawks franchise. If he did, he would have the buying power to buy both the Seahawks and the Trailblazers.

Now could you imagine Bezos owning the Seahawks? It could happen. It could be a Ted Turner with the Atlanta Braves always on TNT, lol! We could be on Amazon Prime NFL more often.

Bezos did a permanent relocation to Miami. He buy the Seahawks, he probably want to move them. So he's likely out of the running.

by **RiverDog** » Thu Nov 30, 2023 4:03 am

4XPIPS wrote:The availability of a NFL franchise and NBA franchise does not come around often. I could see the possibility of a clause restricting relocation if there was an agreement to acquire the Seahawks and keep the team in Seattle. Again, I am just speculating and don't have any facts to back that. If any NFL or NBA franchise went up for sale, there would be immediate buyers. Jeff Bezos has been linked to wanting to buy a NFL team, and namely the Seahawks franchise. If he did, he would have the buying power to buy both the Seahawks and the Trailblazers.

Now could you imagine Bezos owning the Seahawks? It could happen. It could be a Ted Turner with the Atlanta Braves always on TNT, lol! We could be on Amazon Prime NFL more often.

Aseahawkfan wrote:Bezos did a permanent relocation to Miami. He buy the Seahawks, he probably want to move them. So he's likely out of the running.

Even if he wanted to, Bezos or any other owner needs 3/4 majority approval from the other owners to move a franchise. Seattle and the Northwest is too big of a market for them to cut out of the map.

by **4XPIPS** » Thu Nov 30, 2023 12:24 pm

RiverDog wrote: Even if he wanted to, Bezos or any other owner needs 3/4 majority approval from the other owners to move a franchise. Seattle and the Northwest is too big of a market for them to cut out of the map.

Aseahawkfan wrote: Bezos did a permanent relocation to Miami. He buy the Seahawks, he probably want to move them. So he's likely out of the running.

The man is worth about $168 Billion and counting, I am willing to assume he has more than one house, and he has made it clear he wasn't interested in the Commanders when it was up for sale.

https://www.si.com/nfl/seahawks/news/se ... 0franchise.

by **Rambo2014** » Thu Nov 30, 2023 12:28 pm

You fellas need the get a coach that will lay down the law and not run the club like Animal House

by **RiverDog** » Thu Nov 30, 2023 7:17 pm

Rambo2014 wrote:You fellas need the get a coach that will lay down the law and not run the club like Animal House

Ahh, the class dunce surfaces. For some reason, I can imagine you sitting on a stool in the corner of the classroom wearing a cone head cap. Are you still living in mom and dad's basement?

by **NorthHawk** » Fri Dec 01, 2023 7:39 am

There is still some truth to that statement. Penalties have cost us a lot the last decade.

by **Aseahawkfan** » Fri Dec 01, 2023 2:16 pm

4XPIPS wrote:The man is worth about $168 Billion and counting, I am willing to assume he has more than one house, and he has made it clear he wasn't interested in the Commanders when it was up for sale.

https://www.si.com/nfl/seahawks/news/se ... 0franchise.

When I say Bezos moved to Miami, that means he issued a thank you to Seattle and moved to Miami as he intends to spend the majority of his time in Miami working on Blue Origin. He wants to go head to head with Elon for rockets. He's not much interesting in owning a football team. I hope Seattle fans are not waiting for Bezos to buy the team, when he is not focused on football. His energy is heavily going into this rocket company and his new wife. He is selling Amazon stock to further finance Blue Origin, not spending money on a Seattle sports team.

by **RiverDog** » Fri Dec 01, 2023 5:43 pm

4XPIPS wrote:The man is worth about $168 Billion and counting, I am willing to assume he has more than one house, and he has made it clear he wasn't interested in the Commanders when it was up for sale.

https://www.si.com/nfl/seahawks/news/se ... 0franchise.

Aseahawkfan wrote:When I say Bezos moved to Miami, that means he issued a thank you to Seattle and moved to Miami as he intends to spend the majority of his time in Miami working on Blue Origin. He wants to go head to head with Elon for rockets. He's not much interesting in owning a football team. I hope Seattle fans are not waiting for Bezos to buy the team, when he is not focused on football. His energy is heavily going into this rocket company and his new wife. He is selling Amazon stock to further finance Blue Origin, not spending money on a Seattle sports team.

Speculation is that at least part of the reason why Bezos moved to FL was due to WA taxes.

Regardless, I haven't a clue as to whether or not he'd be interested in buy the Seahawks, but I wouldn't have a problem with him if he did, at least no more so than any other random billionaire.

by **NorthHawk** » Fri Dec 01, 2023 7:49 pm

I read he wanted to be near his parents who have a home there along with the rocket program that he wants to be closer to.

by **Aseahawkfan** » Fri Dec 01, 2023 8:01 pm

Not sure what Seattle billionaire would make a great owner. Be nice if Gates was into football, but someone younger would be nice too.

by **RiverDog** » Sat Dec 02, 2023 4:13 am

Aseahawkfan wrote:Not sure what Seattle billionaire would make a great owner. Be nice if Gates was into football, but someone younger would be nice too.

I don't think age is as big of a deal for an owner as it seems to be for a head coach. Good management skills aren't something that diminishes with age. I'm not even sure if it's that big of a deal with head coaches. Andy Reid is 65.

by **Aseahawkfan** » Sat Dec 02, 2023 6:44 am

RiverDog wrote:I don't think age is as big of a deal for an owner as it seems to be for a head coach. Good management skills aren't something that diminishes with age. I'm not even sure if it's that big of a deal with head coaches. Andy Reid is 65.

Death is more of a concern with age. Gates not really have kids who want to take over like the Rooney's or Frisco's owners. The ideal owner would be like Green Bay's or Pittsburgh but as rich as Paul Allen.

by **NorthHawk** » Sat Dec 02, 2023 7:31 am

An NFL team is such a good investment, I would think Gates might be interested, if only to continue to fund his philanthropic goals. Even with his vast wealth, a few hundred million dollars per year is an attractive proposition along with an increasing value of the asset.

by **RiverDog** » Sat Dec 02, 2023 1:37 pm

RiverDog wrote:I don't think age is as big of a deal for an owner as it seems to be for a head coach. Good management skills aren't something that diminishes with age. I'm not even sure if it's that big of a deal with head coaches. Andy Reid is 65.

Aseahawkfan wrote:Death is more of a concern with age. Gates not really have kids who want to take over like the Rooney's or Frisco's owners. The ideal owner would be like Green Bay's or Pittsburgh but as rich as Paul Allen.

Green Bay doesn't have an owner. They are the only major league franchise in the 4 major North American sporting leagues that does not have a majority owner. They are owned by the fans, or stockholders. They were grandfathered in when the league passed a rule saying that there has to be one owner who holds at least 30% of the team, that an ownership group can't consist of more than 24 people, and it can't be publicly traded.

As far as an heir being preferential to a random new owner, it's just as much of a dice throw. Sure, Pittsburgh lucked out with their ownership situation, but other teams, like the Raiders, weren't as fortunate.

by **Uppercut** » Sun Dec 03, 2023 8:37 am

It looks like all potential Pete replacements will be coaching the college football playoffs teams.

by **Spohawk5092** » Sun Dec 03, 2023 12:11 pm

since Rams are predicted to win today, looks like 3rd. Does NOT sit well with me. Change needed!!

by **Spohawk5092** » Sun Dec 03, 2023 12:13 pm

looks like 3rd place today people. Not sitting well with me.

by **RiverDog** » Sun Dec 03, 2023 1:45 pm

Spohawk5092 wrote:looks like 3rd place today people. Not sitting well with me.

It's still a bit early to be looking at playoff scenarios, but if the Rams win today, they'll bump us out of the 7th seed.

by **4XPIPS** » Sun Dec 03, 2023 5:32 pm

Uppercut wrote:It looks like all potential Pete replacements will be coaching the college football playoffs teams.

I would assume this is your gut feeling, because there has been no talks about NFL coaching from these 4 teams, other than Harbaugh.

Kalen just took the program over last year, and there is no reports of him looking to move to the NFL, especially since his team is ranked #2 and U Dub is leaving the Pac 12 next season for better money pool.

Sarkisian, heck no! I would not be pounding the table for Sarkisian. He belongs in College Football, and he did have a short stint as an OC with the Falcons after Kyle Shanahan left, and offense fell apart quickly. He doesn't stick around long, and I have not heard any teams who have shown interested in him at the NFL level.

Saban, need I say more he isn't leaving Alabama.

Which leaves RD's :roll:

favorite choice that is Harbaugh, but there is no links to him coaching the Seahawks at all, but there are rumors of the Raiders and the Commanders, but nothing more than that.

by **RiverDog** » Sun Dec 03, 2023 7:27 pm

4XPIPS wrote:Which leaves RD's favorite choice that is Harbaugh, but there is no links to him coaching the Seahawks at all, but there are rumors of the Raiders and the Commanders, but nothing more than that.

You need to insert some sort of sarcasm symbol in the first part of that sentence.

by **NorthHawk** » Mon Dec 04, 2023 7:46 am

If we miss the playoffs, maybe Pete will call it quits and then we will be in the hunt for a new HC.

by **RiverDog** » Mon Dec 04, 2023 8:10 am

NorthHawk wrote:If we miss the playoffs, maybe Pete will call it quits and then we will be in the hunt for a new HC.

I wouldn't hold my breath. Something tells me that they'll have to carry Pete out on a stretcher before he calls it quits.

by **NorthHawk** » Mon Dec 04, 2023 9:29 am

I wouldn't surprise me if he stays until told to go, but he also looked haggard after the Cowboys game and his demeanor suggested he's frustrated. At least that's what I read into it.
So maybe there's some hope he's tiring of the same results.

by **RiverDog** » Mon Dec 04, 2023 10:26 am

NorthHawk wrote:I wouldn't surprise me if he stays until told to go, but he also looked haggard after the Cowboys game and his demeanor suggested he's frustrated. At least that's what I read into it.
So maybe there's some hope he's tiring of the same results.

Yeah, maybe. Only time will tell.

Pete was exasperated with the quality of officiating in our last game, and as much as I don't like the whining and complaining about the refs, our last game was particularly bad and pretty one-sided. That might be what's causing his frustration.

by **NorthHawk** » Mon Dec 04, 2023 10:50 am

Maybe that was it.
The officiating was pretty bad last night with KC and GB, too.

by **4XPIPS** » Mon Dec 04, 2023 11:57 am

RiverDog wrote:You need to insert some sort of sarcasm symbol in the first part of that sentence.

, of course I was stoking the fire that burns with in you about Harbaugh. I know quite well your position on Harbaugh since the Seattle PI days. I believe Harbaugh can coach at both levels, but doesn't make me want him at all. However, if there ever was a coaching vacancy in Seattle I would not expect him to be linked to it. That would be like trying to hire Urban Myer to replace him at Michigan, that distain for the opposition would still exist.

by **RiverDog** » Mon Dec 04, 2023 1:09 pm

RiverDog wrote:You need to insert some sort of sarcasm symbol in the first part of that sentence.

4XPIPS wrote: , of course I was stoking the fire that burns with in you about Harbaugh. I know quite well your position on Harbaugh since the Seattle PI days. I believe Harbaugh can coach at both levels, but doesn't make me want him at all. However, if there ever was a coaching vacancy in Seattle I would not expect him to be linked to it. That would be like trying to hire Urban Myer to replace him at Michigan, that distain for the opposition would still exist.

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Yep, it's all good!

I'd be a lot more inclined to take a good OC who's been in the league awhile, like North Hawk suggested with Eric Bieniemy than I would any college coach. Harbaugh's success was very limited. Pete is one of the few who's been able to make the transition, and in retrospect, he had a lot of pro experience to go along with his time at USC, so it's not the same as hiring someone like Urban Meyer.

by **NorthHawk** » Mon Dec 04, 2023 1:16 pm

Harbaugh’s career is oddly paralleling Carroll’s with spending some time in the NFL and going back to College and doing well there.
If he comes back to the NFL, it will be more similar.

by **Aseahawkfan** » Mon Dec 04, 2023 1:22 pm

Harbaugh's done well in both the NFL and college. I like a guy who is driven to win like Harbaugh.

by **Spohawk5092** » Sun Dec 10, 2023 5:46 pm

so I heard Metcalf got ejected in the 4th quarter. Thats on Pete. He can't keep a collar on his players, once again. He is too nice. Time for change. Nice doesn't get you anywhere these days in the NFL.

by **RiverDog** » Sun Dec 10, 2023 5:59 pm

Spohawk5092 wrote:so I heard Metcalf got ejected in the 4th quarter. Thats on Pete. He can't keep a collar on his players, once again. He is too nice. Time for change. Nice doesn't get you anywhere these days in the NFL.

He had a right to be pissed as Warner shoved him in the back to start things, plus he probably sensed that the game was essentially over. Not that I'm making excuses for him.

by **c_hawkbob** » Sun Dec 10, 2023 6:10 pm

Yeah that was a reaction to a cheap shot it the heat of it. Too bad it plays into the narrative but it's always the second guy that gets the flag.

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