4XPIPS wrote:So you are saying Matt Ryan would have had a MVP year without Kyle Shanahan? Kyle walked into a crumbled down 49ers squad, and had to build the team up with the players that fit his scheme. Do you think Brock Purdy is so talented he can be plugged into any team and just have automatic success? I doubt it.
Why do most Superbowl Coaches not repeat, well it comes down to the money, once you start shelling out massive contracts to certain players it's hard to address needs on your team. Joe Flacco got way overpaid after his Superbowl win, and he wasn't a top 5 QB in the league.
We won that Superbowl because during that time we can rough the WRs and TEs up at the line, and our defensive scheme was predicated on how much the LOB can control the passing game. Plug Kam Chancellor in today, and he would be fined so much and ejected for his hard hits that it wouldn't be allowed today. The League adjusted to a safer game, CTE hadn't been a hot topic till shortly after the Hawk's Superbowl's, the movie Concussion didn't come out till 2015 and the league had to react to all the medical date regarding head trauma. Hence why the league is now trying to tone down any big hit.
I don't disagree at all talent helps and it is vital to have talented, but I just think scheming and game planning is more important.
No. Talent is clearly number one by a good measure. You illustrated another reason talent is number one. Once you have to start to pay talent and lose it to the salary cap, the talent falls off. You end up losing more.
I'm sorry to be hard on this. But this team is currently an example of bad roster management. Bad trades, lack of wins at the D-line, lack of replenishing the LBs, and overall bad roster management. If you don't win at roster management in the NFL, it's real, real hard to win the Super Bowl or compete. Great coaching is big ingredient to success, but great coaches need talent to make their schemes shine.
Matt Ryan has been in he MVP race before Shanahan. Do I think he would have won without Shanahan? Not sure. Do I think he was a good QB before Shanahan, yes.
Let's look at the NFL as a whole rather over the years:
Head Coaches:
1. Bill Belichick: Super Bowl rings with Brady as head coach. 6. Without Brady, 0. Bill B who was he GM as well always stacked his teams with tons of talent. Bill B and every head coach knows you win by winning the draft first.
2. Bruce Arians: Brady as QB, 1 Super Bowl win. Without Brady, nothing.
3. Pete Carroll Super Bowl wins with the Legion of Boom. 1. 2 trips. Without the Legion of Boom, can't get past the divisional round.
4. Mike Holgrem: Super Bowls with Brett Favre and Reggie White and that talented Green Bay team, 1 win. 2 trips.
5. Bill Parcells: Super Bowls with Lawrence Taylor that amazing Giants team. 2 rings. 0 rings wtihout them.
6. Jimmy Johnson with the Big 3 in Dallas. 2 Super Bowl rings. 0 without.
7. Barry Switzer with that same talented Dallas team: 1 Super Bowl. Nothing wtihout them.
8. Bill Walsh with Montana that amazing 49ers team: 3 rings.
9. George Seifert with that same Super Bowl team wtih Montana for 1 and Steve Young for the other: 2 rings.
10. Eagles 2017: Won Super Bowl with Doug Pedersen as head coach.
11. Eagles 2022 lost Super Bowl and competing this year with Sirianni as head coach.
You can also have the same coaches for years like John Harbaugh, Mike Shanahan, Don Shula, Tom Landry, Chuck Knoll, and the list can go on, but if they don't ever rebuild the talent, they won't win the Super Bowl again.
That's why Pete's having problems. Stacking all the talent he had during those early years again is proving far more difficult than he thought.
Even your guy Kyle Shanahan loses Deebo Samuel, his offense short circuits. Deebo makes that offense work even more than McCaffrey. You can bet your ass that if Nick Bosa goes down, Frisco's defense will be far, far easier to score on and it won't matter how well Shanahan or his D-coordinator schemes.
Coaching is second. Good scheming or planning does not beat flat out better talent. You get some freaks, surround them with quality talent, and build a complete team with adequate coaching, you'll give yourself the best chance to win.
Nothing will beat stacking a team with top flight talent. San Francisco had been stacking top draft picks for years.
I'm not saying you don't need good coaching. I'm saying that the most important factor for winning is great talent. You can be the greatest coach to ever live and if you don't have great talent to compete, you're going to lose.
If the head coach or coaching was number one for winning, you'd just switch the head coach and win the Super Bowl. It's super rare for a head coach or any coach to move around and win Super Bowls. But talented players move around and win quite often. It is exceptionally hard to assemble great talent on a single team.