curmudgeon wrote:Hopefully a thorough house cleaning follows. Harbaugh time?…….
jshawaii22 wrote:A little more 'possible' information -- Tom Pelesario via "The Hurd" on Fox reports that Pete has been offered a job to "move up" to a advisory level management position as he is under contract to the team for x number of years.
jshawaii22 wrote:Call #1: Jim Harbaugh
Call #2: ex Cowboys HC - Jason Garrett.
jshawaii22 wrote:Any other call -- OFFENSIVE COACH -- not another defensive wiz...
and along with Pete, release our not-so-perfect GM who decides to draft backup RB's in the 2nd round and trade another 3rd rounder for 'the future'. huh? Remember Chris Carson?
...and of course bye-bye to Clint Hurt and the other Defensive interior staff. We are #32 D. What an embarrassment.,
jshawaii22 wrote:I actually had this predicted (yeah, my crystal ball was right once) a month ago. I'm shocked that someone in management had the biggest pair of kahunas in Seahawks history that they stood up to Pete, the God and told him it was time to move on (or up) a week after Pete declared he was coming back as coach.
4XPIPS wrote:The fact that he will have his fingerprints on this organization is quite silly to be honest. Jody you have loads of cash afforded to you, do the right thing and the only thing and buy out his contract and let him go into broadcasting or something else. The fact that he has held VP of Football operations and HC duties for so long and wanted to stay and coach showed he wasn't willing to let go of any his duties. The fact you are keeping Pete on as "advisor" suggest he still fought hard to stay with the organization.
The new reality is how far does this "advisor role" stretch? Does that include him selecting a new HC? I certainly hope not.
Does that mean he will be involved in recruiting? I hope not as well
For all those clamoring for Harbaugh, this will not be a reality. Can you imagine the ego clash between Pete and Jim Harbaugh with in the same organization?
This makes no sense, and this is probably the inexperience of a NFL in Jody to try and do the right thing by scaling back Pete's role, but seriously keeping him on is still a gut punch to the organization that desperately needs an overhaul.
MackStrongIsMyHero wrote:
Or we can acknowledge that we have zero real information about how it went down and how it's going to go from here. No point in worrying about it. It could be as simple as letting him have a cushy front office job in last year of his contract before he hangs it up for good. Like it or not, he's the winningest head coach in Seahawks history and the only one to bring home a super bowl. it doesn't surprise me they didn't force him out.
4XPIPS wrote:Of course we don't have facts, and most of post our own speculations and thoughts. No one knows what his real role as an "advisor" is and this why I said "I hope"
I do appreciate the time he spent here as a coach, but just less than 4 days ago he made it very clear that he wants to still coach and planned to coach the 2024-2025 season. He is a player's coach, and loves the locker room and sideline hype. To think he is just going to get the corner office with a nice view is quite silly be honest. I am not putting words in your mouth, but in speaking in general it makes no sense what so ever to keep him on in any role at all.
Pete has been in this league for quite some time with obvious success and yes some recent short comings. His tree of coaching does spread out quite a bit in this league, and there are multiple coaches and coordinators and assistants that have worked under Pete, and to think if he still has a role in this organization it may inhibit hiring a coordinator or prior head coach because word gets' around in this league of what kind of guy Pete is. I don't think he is hated by any means, but he can rub people the wrong way sometimes.
If the hawks are looking to make a change, it would have been best to cut all ties with Pete and send him on his merry way, and start fresh with no distractions.
MackStrongIsMyHero wrote:So, the decision is only hours old, and it's already not good enough/less than ideal/wrong. I am not going to worry about it one way or another. You are assuming a lot of things, which is equally silly, as you put it, for you to do when you have no idea what is best for the organization. It's rather chicken little to assume it's already a bad decision.
Yes we can judge decisions made based on how we feel. You can love this decision, and doesn't make me think less of you or anyone. I have had disagreements with Aseahakwfan on scheme vs superior talents, but doesn't make me think less of him and does it hurt my feelings if he hates my position on scheme. I am just taking a stance this is silly to keep him on. Of course we are assuming things, that is what a forum is built on, a vessel to express our opinions and thoughts. I respect that you disagree with me, and think it's silly that keeping Pete on as an advisory role with the team.
Name one time in the history of any sport where a tenured coach like Pete was removed from his position and kept on as an "advisor" to the team when he clearly stated 4 days ago he plans to coach this team. His statement is a fact, not speculation.
Pete was asked about his future, and he responded that he plans to coach. Fast forward to today and he has been reduced to an "advisor" role. So when has that happened in the past? The only that comes close is may Pat Riley with Heat, but he choose to step down, and then return to coaching. The Heat organization never forced Riley to step down.
o back to the point I am making this is clearly an unorthodox move for any sports franchise to terminate someone's position, but them keep them on. Of course I don't know what this new role will come with, but being he had final say over the GM, I would only assume he still have some say on personnel decisions and team operations. Of course I could be dead wrong.
4XPIPS wrote:If the hawks are looking to make a change, it would have been best to cut all ties with Pete and send him on his merry way, and start fresh with no distractions.
Old but Slow wrote:And, please, no more of: "let's bring back so-amd-so who was a great Seahawk".
Aseahawkfan wrote:I can't watch the press conference yet. I still feel verklempt about Pete leaving. Logically I know it was time, but emotionally I still want him to be here. He gave me everything I wanted and more. I wish he could have rebuilt some semblance of that team from his first five years. It was such magic.
Aseahawkfan wrote:I can't watch the press conference yet. I still feel verklempt about Pete leaving. Logically I know it was time, but emotionally I still want him to be here. He gave me everything I wanted and more. I wish he could have rebuilt some semblance of that team from his first five years. It was such magic.
MackStrongIsMyHero wrote:Got what he deserved and this being the inevitable outcome are two different things. It’s not like the man was actively seeking to hurt the team and organization.
Aseahawkfan wrote:I can't watch the press conference yet. I still feel verklempt about Pete leaving. Logically I know it was time, but emotionally I still want him to be here. He gave me everything I wanted and more. I wish he could have rebuilt some semblance of that team from his first five years. It was such magic.
RiverDog wrote:Of course, he wasn't actively trying to hurt the team. I never said that he was.
The reason why I said that Pete got what he deserved is because IMO he was/is delusional, thought that his coaching ability and the quality of his teams were better than what they actually were. He deserved to be put in his place. His teams performed below expectations and his firing was justified.
RiverDog wrote:Of course, he wasn't actively trying to hurt the team. I never said that he was.
The reason why I said that Pete got what he deserved is because IMO he was/is delusional, thought that his coaching ability and the quality of his teams were better than what they actually were. He deserved to be put in his place. His teams performed below expectations and his firing was justified.
MackStrongIsMyHero wrote:Arrogant, delusional, and deserved are heavy-handed words for a guy who was nothing but class in his presser; the guy loved the team and the players. Yeah, something wasn't working anymore. I've mentioned it multiple times; I can't imagine that the issues with tackling and penalties and poor run defense are things that are being coached. I don't know what the disconnect was between coaching during the week and execution on the field. Maybe that gets fixed now.
I don't get all the negativity being directed towards the whole affair. This kind of attitude just makes me want to have several bad years. Then we'll really have something to be negative about.
Aseahawkfan wrote:Pete ain't the type of guy to admit mistakes or that he isn't getting it done. I rarely seen any guys at his level of competition that do. Pete's hypercompetitive and always believes things will turn. Which is why the owner has to step in when they see things going down the wrong path with the HC or GM. They will never self censure and say, "I can't get it done any more. Time for me to go." It's part of the process.
As far as being delusional, you have to delude yourself into thinking you're good enough to compete for a Super Bowl or you wont' maintain the confidence and energy to keep pushing. That level of competition always involves some self-delusion.
Similar thing happened with Holmgren where ownership gave permission to Ruskell to push Holmgren out. Holmgren wasn't ready to quit. Guys at that level have a hard time stopping. Even when things aren't going well, they just want to get back out there and get back to it until they win again.
I'm sure Pete feels a bit angry. He wanted to take the guy she drafted and rebuild it. He couldn't see it wasn't working. He was making too many mistakes. Accountability for his failures had to be enacted. He had been given the chance to change coordinators, trade the franchise QB, control over the draft and operations, and given a long rope to get things rebuilt. He didn't get it done. So accountability was enacted by the ownership. It's part of the process.
No way Pete ever admits that. Just not his nature or really of any head coach I've ever seen.
RiverDog wrote:I agree completely.
But the problem is that those types of guys set themselves up for a very hard landing, a cold slap in the face when reality finally sets in as it did earlier this week. That's why I said that there's a part of me that doesn't feel sorry for Pete in getting relegated to the corner office in the basement. Had he been more self-reflective, he would have sensed that it was time and walked away and not had to deal with the meeting with the non-football people.
RiverDog wrote:I agree completely.
But the problem is that those types of guys set themselves up for a very hard landing, a cold slap in the face when reality finally sets in as it did earlier this week. That's why I said that there's a part of me that doesn't feel sorry for Pete in getting relegated to the corner office in the basement. Had he been more self-reflective, he would have sensed that it was time and walked away and not had to deal with the meeting with the non-football people.
Aseahawkfan wrote:They do set themselves for a hard reality. But they are so competitive, they want to get out there again. If someone wants Pete and still wants to coach, he'll go there. He gave us Seattle fans a great ride. Maybe going to a new place where he isn't attached to the players or so close to the GM will bring back his cold, calculating eye back and he can rebuild the way he does it best: with no real attachment or preconceived notions with a completely fresh start.
Hard to believe we lost Carroll, Bill B, and Saban all in the same year. Three of the most dominant coaches of their time. Pete competed against both of them at the pro and college level. And but for one bad call, he would have likely beat Bill B in that second Super Bowl. To me that was the downfall of Carroll set in motion all those years ago.
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