trents wrote:It was obvious to me that the team was no longer listening to Pete. A few of the high character veterans were but the team as a whole had tuned him out. I think that is a lot of what this article from the Athletic is saying. And there are probably a number of reasons for that.
NorthHawk wrote:The article reflects a lot of what we have been saying for a couple of years. Bad tackling, bad OL, no identity, lack of discipline, and more.
I wonder if Paul Allen would have let it go on this long. He got rid of Holmgren, then Mora when things weren't working out, so I have trouble believing he would have let Pete carry on for as long as he did.
RiverDog wrote:I'm pretty sure that PA wouldn't have tolerated Pete for as long as Jody did. It would have been out of character for him.
I'm wondering if Pete is going to coach again. At 72, you'd think that he'd take the hint, sit back in his basement office, go to his weekly lunch with JS and the gang, collect is $15M, then check out the cruise ship scene.
The next discussion that will come up in the years to come will be if he's worthy of the HOF. Like the discussion we had on the pre-Broncos Russell Wilson, I think that Pete is one Lombardi short of sure-fire HOF consideration. But on the other hand, if a guy like Tom Flores deserves a gold jacket, certainly Pete does, too.
RiverDog wrote:Andy Reid is a first ballot HOF'er.
Tom Coughlin has won 2 SB's, and no one is talking HOF for him because he didn't do squat outside of those two anomalies.
RiverDog wrote:Andy Reid is a first ballot HOF'er.
Tom Coughlin has won 2 SB's, and no one is talking HOF for him because he didn't do squat outside of those two anomalies.
Aseahawkfan wrote:Why is Cowher in the Hall? Player accolades on top of coaching?
RiverDog wrote:Because he coached the Steelers. Same deal with Tom Flores. He coached the Raiders.
Steelers, Cowboys, Raiders, Niners. If you play or coach for any of those 4 teams, your chances of making the HOF are much greater than if you played or coached for the Seahawks.
RiverDog wrote:Because he coached the Steelers. Same deal with Tom Flores. He coached the Raiders.
Steelers, Cowboys, Raiders, Niners. If you play or coach for any of those 4 teams, your chances of making the HOF are much greater than if you played or coached for the Seahawks.
Aseahawkfan wrote:That's BS.
NorthHawk wrote:It's my understanding that the balloting is heavily weighted by East Coast media and sports figures.
A lot of the writers rarely look at teams outside the NFC/AFC East so they miss great players in the Central/West regions.
Tez would have been a 1st ballot HoF if he played for the Giants and they had the same record as Seattle did during his career. But they rarely saw him and were/are largely uninterested in teams outside their own.
The only way they get noticed is by their team either winning a SB or becoming a threat to do so. Otherwise it's just navel gazing central for the East Coast media.
NorthHawk wrote:I remember Clayton talking about convincing voters about Tez. That suggests that they didn't see him play much because he was one of or maybe the first real big DT who also had the athleticism to consistently rush the passer and chase down
runners. He dominated for most of his career on losing teams while being double and sometimes triple teamed and yet he didn't get in until 2012 even though he retired in 2000 (I think).
How else can that be explained other than and East Coast focus? After all there are far more teams in the east than mid west and west.
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