yoder wrote:"The to-date cost of the glitchy Obamacare website has topped $1 billion, easily surpassing the $394 million originally estimated by the Government Accountability Office, according to a Bloomberg Government analysis." - The Blaze
Give me a billion and I'd build a bad arse website. It would work too. I'd hire a team of 100 Quality Assurance testers, give them $100,000 each to pound the thing for 6 months (night and day) and try to break the site. There's 1% of my budget.
No way one could say it is a good deal or a bad deal.
Your response makes it obvious you have never been involved in development of a large scale government system.
FolkCrusader wrote: What we do know was that it was pretty much non-functional at launch and in two months has signed up about one million people.
burrrton wrote:For the record, I'm not convinced about the "intentional" part, no matter how obvious and inevitable the failure appears, simply because I've never seen a politician try to intentionally look incompetent.
I'll leave that to others to debate, though.
So then you think it's just colossal incompetence...either way it's not good.
burrrton wrote:So then you think it's just colossal incompetence...either way it's not good.
Yes, and agreed. Remember the old rule of thumb (paraphrased, probably): never attribute to malice what can be sufficiently explained by incompetence.
monkey wrote:burrrton wrote:So then you think it's just colossal incompetence...either way it's not good.
Yes, and agreed. Remember the old rule of thumb (paraphrased, probably): never attribute to malice what can be sufficiently explained by incompetence.
I understand where you are coming from, but I have to ask.
Do the people running the country, (who get advice from some of the smartest people in the country) REALLY strike you as incompetent?
Does Obama seem stupid or incompetent to you?
He doesn't seem that way at all to me, he seems driven by an agenda, he seems like someone acting out a plan.
If I could sufficiently explain what is going on, by calling it incompetence I gladly would, but that doesn't explain it sufficiently at all.
monkey wrote:Whose plan?
Those on the far left who donate big money to see their agenda's enacted. This isn't conspiracy stuff, or even far fetched at all... it just is what it is.
The far left wants to see this country socialized, and has been working for many years to make it happen. That's just common knowledge..
You ever read "Rules for Radicals" by Saul Alinski?
That's pretty much the playbook they've been working off for years now.
Of course, there is a much deeper answer than that, but I don't feel this is the place for that kind of pulling-back-the-veil discussion.
Eaglehawk wrote:monkey wrote:Whose plan?
Those on the far left who donate big money to see their agenda's enacted. This isn't conspiracy stuff, or even far fetched at all... it just is what it is.
The far left wants to see this country socialized, and has been working for many years to make it happen. That's just common knowledge..
You ever read "Rules for Radicals" by Saul Alinski?
That's pretty much the playbook they've been working off for years now.
Of course, there is a much deeper answer than that, but I don't feel this is the place for that kind of pulling-back-the-veil discussion.
And what is the plan of the far right? Keep in mind, I am not disagreeing with you at all at this point based on what I have seen. I'm starting a thread on this so as to not confuse the issue.
At least the democrats are trying to see that some crumbs make it to the masses - republicans could give a Sh@t.
burrrton wrote:At least the democrats are trying to see that some crumbs make it to the masses - republicans could give a Sh@t.
C'mon, savvy- those "crumbs" come at HUGE expense and don't do the recipients any good long term. If you really want to help "the masses", you need a strong economy, and you can't achieve that agitating for ever more money to be pulled out of other people's pockets.
I have no great love for either party, but lately I see a lot of people who want to be really, really generous as long as it's with someone else's money. To me, that isn't "giving a sh@t".
Maybe that's just me, though.
monkey wrote:Savvy, do you think that people there are rich people who are intentionally stopping you from earning as much money as you would like?
Me either.
I ask because, the economy is NOT a zero sum game. You can create for yourself as much wealth as you are able to create. In this country, if you have something that other people are willing to give you money for, then you can make all the money you want to make. You too can get as rich as those people you seem so angry about. No one is stopping you but you.
The point I am making is, instead of being jealous of what the ultra rich have, (which you must be, or else you wouldn't be showing us graphs that show us how much they have!) why not go get ultra rich yourself? No one is stopping you!
The ultra rich are NOT holding back money from you, or in any way holding you back from becoming as rich as you want to be. They did not get super rich at the expense of you or anyone else getting super rich either!
There is NOT a set amount of money available in this country, (just ask the federal reserve that inconceivably seems to actually think that printing bad money after bad in what they call quantitative easing won't come back to bite them), if you want more money, work harder or work smarter and you can have more.
There is not a limited supply of wealth available which the super rich are monopolizing, as you seem to believe.
The stuff you linked may be factually correct, but it is ultimately pointless, because it seems to be implying something that just isn't true at all. It seems to be trying to make the case that it's somehow unfair that some people have more than you which is just pure garbage.
Firstly, WHO SAID LIFE WAS FAIR?!? And a better question, who determines what fair is?
If someone is out there working harder than you are, putting in more hours, and coming up with better ideas, or products or whatever it is that he sells the single MOST unfair thing I can think of, would be take what he's making and give it to people who haven't put in the work and didn't come up with the ideas.
What makes you think a bunch of lazy dopes who contribute less, deserve what someone else is earning?
I'm so stinking tired of class warfare, it's nothing more than poorly disguised communism.
monkey wrote:Savvy, do you think that people there are rich people who are intentionally stopping you from earning as much money as you would like?
Me either.
I ask because, the economy is NOT a zero sum game. You can create for yourself as much wealth as you are able to create. In this country, if you have something that other people are willing to give you money for, then you can make all the money you want to make. You too can get as rich as those people you seem so angry about. No one is stopping you but you.
The point I am making is, instead of being jealous of what the ultra rich have, (which you must be, or else you wouldn't be showing us graphs that show us how much they have!) why not go get ultra rich yourself? No one is stopping you!
The ultra rich are NOT holding back money from you, or in any way holding you back from becoming as rich as you want to be. They did not get super rich at the expense of you or anyone else getting super rich either!
There is NOT a set amount of money available in this country, (just ask the federal reserve that inconceivably seems to actually think that printing bad money after bad in what they call quantitative easing won't come back to bite them), if you want more money, work harder or work smarter and you can have more.
There is not a limited supply of wealth available which the super rich are monopolizing, as you seem to believe.
The stuff you linked may be factually correct, but it is ultimately pointless, because it seems to be implying something that just isn't true at all. It seems to be trying to make the case that it's somehow unfair that some people have more than you which is just pure garbage.
Firstly, WHO SAID LIFE WAS FAIR?!? And a better question, who determines what fair is?
If someone is out there working harder than you are, putting in more hours, and coming up with better ideas, or products or whatever it is that he sells the single MOST unfair thing I can think of, would be take what he's making and give it to people who haven't put in the work and didn't come up with the ideas.
What makes you think a bunch of lazy dopes who contribute less, deserve what someone else is earning?
I'm so stinking tired of class warfare, it's nothing more than poorly disguised communism.
The Rich are just money hoarder's IMO keeping the money away from the less fortunate.
I will also happily go to jail for tax fraud when i refuse to pay the fine for not signing up for obama care.
burrrton wrote:The Rich are just money hoarder's IMO keeping the money away from the less fortunate.*sigh* No. Just no. To use a tired analogy, wealth is not a finite pie, where when someone else gets a bigger piece, someone else's must necessarily be smaller.
It's nonsense.
I would have to disagree there. like i said before, IMO, if everything did not cost so much then people would be able to afford more. At the same time, this would create more work for people because they would be producing more and in the end the owner would still get rich while spreading the wealth around more and giving people more work. sounds like a win, win to me but greed holds that back some good bit. again, just my opinion and i don't fault yours.I know a number of people who have made a *lot* of money since they and I were living off baked potatoes and ramen in college. What makes you think either your or I are poorer for them having become so successful?
That line of thinking will only hurt you, my friend.
SEE ABOVEI will also happily go to jail for tax fraud when i refuse to pay the fine for not signing up for obama care.
Bad idea. Again, it will only hurt you.
again, just my opinion and i don't fault yours.
It really does not hurt.
burrrton wrote:again, just my opinion and i don't fault yours.
So tell me- do you dread your neighbor getting a big promotion at work, or his small business becoming successful?
Opinion or not, wealth is not a set sum that has to be divvied up.It really does not hurt.
You and I have different feelings about jail time, I guess.
I just think that some of the big corps., not necessarily the small business people as i am a small business owner BTW, could use to lower their pricing quite a bit and they could still get rich while supplying people with more work and still making a ton of money at the same time.
in turn, the rest of the people would be able to afford more with what they have. WIN, WIN.
This is of coarse something i believe should be sorted out by the greater good rather than forced on by the government.
In my business, i can easily price myself out of work or i can go a little lower in price and pick up a ton more work.
burrrton wrote:I just think that some of the big corps., not necessarily the small business people as i am a small business owner BTW, could use to lower their pricing quite a bit and they could still get rich while supplying people with more work and still making a ton of money at the same time.
Do you think you know more about any given biz's market than they do? If any given (competent) company could just lower their prices while clearing more profit, why do you think they wouldn't do so?in turn, the rest of the people would be able to afford more with what they have. WIN, WIN.
It's not that simple. Freshman macro would teach you this.This is of coarse something i believe should be sorted out by the greater good rather than forced on by the government.
Ok- we're probably closer in opinion than I thought.
If you want to make whatever request floats your boat of some given business, you're free to do so, and if you can affect them to respond, more power to you (and I may be fighting right next to you in many instances).In my business, i can easily price myself out of work or i can go a little lower in price and pick up a ton more work.
That's the same evaluation every business does, bro. That's how the market sets prices. It's a beautiful thing.
i do realize it is not exactly just that simple.
I also believe that with the HUGELY OBVIOUS amount of money these top dogs in those BIG businesses could use to cut back on their own income and allow the economy to turn a little bit more.
I do believe that BIG business and the government are in it to keep us all down.
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