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Re: Hillary Clinton

Postby RiverDog » Sun Jan 24, 2016 5:35 pm

EmeraldBullet wrote:I always thought a clever campaign strategy would be for someone to change their name to "none of these options." They would get sooo many votes they probably would win.


Yea, if you thought that Bush-Gore, Bush-Kerry, Obama-McCain, or Obama-Romney were bad choices, Trump-Clinton would IMO be the worst two choices in our nation's history.
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Re: Hillary Clinton

Postby Hawktown » Mon Jan 25, 2016 9:32 am

savvyman wrote:So who owns Hilary? The upper .01% or what is also known as "The Ruling Class".


[http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user5/imageroot/2015/08/Hillary%20Clinton%20Speeches%202013-2015_1.jpg


The Wall Street and Big Bank Candidate - She could give a Sh@t about you, me, your family, your co-workers, your friends.... unless you are running with people with a net worth of over a half billion.


https://vimeo.com/152786370


Hillary is EVIL on many levels. Trump is no Potus either. We all somehow need to band together to take our country back from IDIOTS that only care about themselves and their "portfolio". We can't allow a hand full of people to own the country and most of all trade. We need to go back to the days of moms and pops stores. NOT EVERY BUSINESS NEEDS TO BE A BIG CORPORATION. Man, the latter part of my rant is a serious problem , IMO, way bigger than most understand.
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Re: Hillary Clinton

Postby obiken » Tue Feb 09, 2016 9:22 pm

Hillary is EVIL on many levels. Trump is no Potus either. We all somehow need to band together to take our country back from IDIOTS that only care about themselves and their "portfolio". We can't allow a hand full of people to own the country and most of all trade. We need to go back to the days of moms and pops stores. NOT EVERY BUSINESS NEEDS TO BE A BIG CORPORATION. Man, the latter part of my rant is a serious problem , IMO, way bigger than most understand.


Hillary is the Kobe Bryant or Floyd Maywether of politics. Nobody like them but everyone knows she is good. Nobody likes Kobe but he puts the ball in the hole. I could never vote for either one but Trump vs Hillary its Hillary hand down. 60% of the American people have a negative view of Trump. If you look at voting blocks its worse.
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Re: Hillary Clinton

Postby Hawktown » Wed Feb 10, 2016 8:49 am

She is good at deception Obi, to the masses!!! Trump is just full of it and has a HUGE eminent domain issues. The candidates, IMO, are a joke and should be laughed out of their positions.
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Re: Hillary Clinton

Postby obiken » Wed Feb 10, 2016 5:03 pm

Hawktown wrote:She is good at deception Obi, to the masses!!! Trump is just full of it and has a HUGE eminent domain issues. The candidates, IMO, are a joke and should be laughed out of their positions.


However, the difference is Hillary has worked in the system for her entire adult life. Trump has worked the system for his and that his a vast difference. Trump is only popular because Republicans cannot be honest with their base on the real issues. Immigration, balanced budget, guns, ect.

Both are non starters for me but I have to admire Hillary's hard work and commitment. There is nothing about Trump I admire.
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Re: Hillary Clinton

Postby savvyman » Wed Feb 10, 2016 10:46 pm

obiken wrote:
However, the difference is Hillary has worked in the system for her entire adult life. Trump has worked the system for his and that his a vast difference. Trump is only popular because Republicans cannot be honest with their base on the real issues. Immigration, balanced budget, guns, ect.

Both are non starters for me but I have to admire Hillary's hard work and commitment. There is nothing about Trump I admire.



There is nothing to like about Hilary - Unless you like a candidate who has accepted over $20 Million in "Legal Bribes" in 13-14 alone from entities who are very hostile to the working and what's left of the middle class. I guess you could like the fact that she is a documented liar? Or maybe you like the fact that she is also a lawbreaker and that the FBI director has been restrained by the Powerful forces from filing charges against her? I guess you can also like the fact that her and her husband have received over $100 million from Wall Street and the financial sector in foundation donations and "Honorarium" fees over the past 15 years?

Trump scares the hell out of the Ruling class - why do you think they are all working so hard to defeat him? They are absolutely petrified that if he gets elected that they won't be able to control him (like they successfully did with Obama) and he may go "Rogue" and be a populist candidate who acts in the interest of the majority of the people in the USA?
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Re: Hillary Clinton

Postby Hawktown » Thu Feb 11, 2016 8:17 am

that is just "barely" touching on it there Savvy!!! There is such a long list of disgusting acts by this woman that I cannot get into it, I don't have the time or energy for this crap. People really need to do a lot of research on these people. They need to look into the dark side of them where most do not or do not even know where to look.
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Re: Hillary Clinton

Postby obiken » Sat Feb 13, 2016 12:01 am

Sorry C-Bob, NO one since Tomas Jefferson is more qualified to be President than Hillary. Love her or hate her. She would make the trains run on time. She would actually force people to do what we send them to Washington to do and that is actually govern.
Not shut it down. And NO I will not vote her.
Trump is just a jerk. He is a parity of himself.
Savvy, Trump IS the ruling class!
“It was miraculous. It was almost no trick at all, he saw, to turn vice into virtue and slander into truth, impotence into abstinence, arrogance into humility, plunder into philanthropy, thievery into honor, blasphemy into wisdom, brutality into patriotism, and sadism into justice. Anybody could do it; it required no brains at all. It merely required no character.”

Joseph Heller Catch-22
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Re: Hillary Clinton

Postby Hawktown » Sun Feb 14, 2016 5:50 pm

obiken wrote:Sorry C-Bob, NO one since Tomas Jefferson is more qualified to be President than Hillary. Love her or hate her. She would make the trains run on time. She would actually force people to do what we send them to Washington to do and that is actually govern.
Not shut it down. And NO I will not vote her.
Trump is just a jerk. He is a parity of himself.
Savvy, Trump IS the ruling class!
“It was miraculous. It was almost no trick at all, he saw, to turn vice into virtue and slander into truth, impotence into abstinence, arrogance into humility, plunder into philanthropy, thievery into honor, blasphemy into wisdom, brutality into patriotism, and sadism into justice. Anybody could do it; it required no brains at all. It merely required no character.”

Joseph Heller Catch-22



There is so much wrong with this post OBI, you should be ashamed!!! ALL of that could be said about Killary and then some!!! F them both!!!
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Re: Hillary Clinton

Postby obiken » Mon Feb 15, 2016 2:09 am

I am NOT pro Hillary but Trump is the worst ground zero. At least Hillary treats people with respect, Trump cant even do that.
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Re: Hillary Clinton

Postby RiverDog » Mon Feb 15, 2016 7:09 am

obiken wrote:I am NOT pro Hillary but Trump is the worst ground zero. At least Hillary treats people with respect, Trump cant even do that.


Oh, come off it, Obi. Do you remember her firing the White House travel office employees when she was the co-President? Where was her respect then?

Hillary is a snake. I wouldn't trust her any further than I can spit.
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Re: Hillary Clinton

Postby c_hawkbob » Mon Feb 15, 2016 7:43 am

"Co-president"?

Careful, your bias is showing.
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Re: Hillary Clinton

Postby savvyman » Mon Feb 15, 2016 9:37 am

I know you Reagan lovers worship him like he was the second coming of Christ - And while I certainly respect the man and acknowledge his excellent leadership skills and charisma - He made several major policy errors - but that is not the purpose of this post.

Many of you might remember his Friend - Mr. Morning in America & Ethical William Bennett - Who Reagan appointed to two cabinet positions - well here is his take on Donald Trump:



>>>>>>>>>>What I See Happening In a Trump Presidency
By Bill Bennett

They will kill him before they let him be president. It could be a Republican or a Democrat that instigates the shutting up of Trump.

Don’t be surprised if Trump has an accident. Some people are getting very nervous: Barack Obama, Valerie Jarrett, Eric Holder, Hillary Clinton and Jon Corzine, to name just a few.

It’s about the unholy dynamics between big government, big business, and big media. They all benefit by the billions of dollars from this partnership, and it’s in all of their interests to protect one another. It’s one for all and all for one.

It’s a heck of a filthy relationship that makes everyone filthy rich, everyone except the American people. We get ripped off. We’re the patsies. But for once, the powerful socialist cabal and the corrupt crony capitalists are scared. The over-the-top reaction to Trump by politicians of both parties, the media, and the biggest corporations of America has been so swift and insanely angry that it suggests they are all threatened and frightened.

Donald Trump can self-fund. No matter how much they say to the contrary, the media, business, and political elite understand that Trump is no joke. He could actually win and upset their nice cozy apple cart.

It’s no coincidence that everyone has gotten together to destroy The Donald. It’s because most of the other politicians are part of the a good old boys club. They talk big, but they won’t change a thing. They are all beholden to big-money donors. They are all owned by lobbyists, unions, lawyers, gigantic environmental organizations, and multinational corporations – like Big Pharmacy or Big Oil. Or they are owned lock, stock, and barrel by foreigners like George Soros owns Obama or foreign governments own Hillary and their Clinton Foundation donations.

These run-of-the-mill establishment politicians are all puppets owned by big money. But there’s one man who isn’t beholden to anyone. There’s one man who doesn’t need foreigners, or foreign governments, or George Soros, or the United Auto Workers, or the teacher’s union, or the Service Employees International Union, or the Bar Association to fund his campaign.

Billionaire tycoon and maverick Donald Trump doesn’t need anyone’s help. That means he doesn’t care what the media says. He doesn’t care what the corporate elites think. That makes him very dangerous to the entrenched interests. That makes Trump a huge threat to those people. Trump can ruin everything for the bribed politicians and their spoiled slave masters.

Don’t you ever wonder why the GOP has never tried to impeach Obama? Don’t you wonder why John Boehner and Mitch McConnell talk a big game, but never actually try to stop Obama? Don’t you wonder why Congress holds the purse strings, yet has never tried to de-fund Obamacare or Obama’s clearly illegal executive action on amnesty for illegal aliens? Bizarre, right? It defies logic, right?

First, I’d guess many key Republicans are being bribed. Secondly, I believe many key Republicans are being blackmailed. Whether they are having affairs, or secretly gay, or stealing taxpayer money, the National Security Agency knows everything.

Ask former House Speaker Dennis Hastert about that. The government even knew he was withdrawing large sums of his own money from his own bank account. The NSA, the SEC, the IRS, and all the other three-letter government agencies are watching every Republican political leader. They surveil everything. Thirdly, many Republicans are petrified of being called racists, so they are scared to ever criticize Obama or call out his crimes, let alone demand his impeachment. Fourth , why rock the boat? After defeat or retirement, if you’re a good old boy, you’ve got a $5 million-per-year lobbying job waiting. The big-money interests have the system gamed. Win or lose, they win.

But Trump doesn’t play by any of these rules. Trump breaks up this nice, cozy relationship between big government, big media, and big business. All the rules are out the window if Trump wins the Presidency. The other politicians will protect Obama and his aides but not Trump. Remember: Trump is the guy who publicly questioned Obama’s birth certificate. He questioned Obama’s college records and how a mediocre student got into an Ivy League university. Now, he’s doing something no Republican has the chutzpah to do. He’s questioning our relationship with Mexico; he’s questioning why the border is wide open; he’s questioning why no wall has been built across the border; he’s questioning if allowing millions of illegal aliens into America is in our best interests; he’s questioning why so many illegal aliens commit violent crimes, yet are not deported; and he’s questioning why our trade deals with Mexico, Russia and China are so bad.

Trump has the audacity to ask out loud why American workers always get the short end of the stick. Good question! I’m certain Trump will question what happened to the almost billion dollars given in a rigged no-bid contract to college friends of Michelle Obama at foreign companies to build the defective Obamacare website. By the way, that tab is now up to $5 billion. Trump will ask if Obamacare’s architects can be charged with fraud for selling it by lying. Trump will investigate Obama’s widespread IRS conspiracy, not to mention Obama’s college records. Trump will prosecute Clinton and Obama for fraud committed to cover up Benghazi before the election. How about the fraud committed by employees of the Labor Department when they made up dramatic job numbers in the last jobs report before the 2012 election?

Obama, the multinational corporations and the media need to stop Trump. They recognize this could get out of control. If left unchecked, telling the raw truth and asking questions everyone else is afraid to ask, Trump could wake a sleeping giant. Trump’s election would be a nightmare. Obama has committed many crimes. No one else but Trump would dare to prosecute. He will not hesitate. Once Trump gets in and gets a look at the cooked books and Obama’s records, the game is over. The jig is up. The goose is cooked. Holder could wind up in prison. Jarrett could wind up in prison. Obama bundler Corzine could wind up in prison for losing $1.5 billion of customer money. Clinton could wind up in jail for deleting 32,000 emails or for accepting bribes from foreign governments while Secretary of State, or for misplacing $6 billion as the head of the State Department, or for lying about Benghazi. The entire upper level management of the IRS could wind up in prison.

Obamacare will be de-funded and dismantled. Obama himself could wind up ruined, his legacy in tatters. Trump will investigate. Trump will prosecute. Trump will go after everyone involved. That’s why the dogs of hell have been unleashed on Donald Trump.Yes, it’s become open season on Donald Trump. The left and the right are determined to attack his policies, harm his businesses, and, if possible, even keep him out of the coming debates. But they can’t silence him. And they sure can’t intimidate him. The more they try, the more the public will realize that he’s the one telling the truth.

William J. Bennett, Host of Bill Bennett’s Morning in America Show, is one of America’s most important, influential, and respected voices on cultural, political, and education issues. He has one of the strongest Christian world views of any writer in modern times.<<<<<<<<<<<


http://beforeitsnews.com/obama-birthplace-controversy/2015/11/what-i-see-happening-in-a-trump-presidency-by-bill-bennett-2496324.html
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Re: Hillary Clinton

Postby RiverDog » Mon Feb 15, 2016 10:19 am

c_hawkbob wrote:"Co-president"?

Careful, your bias is showing.


Yea, I figured someone would pick up on that characterization.

But the fact is that the Clintons skirted the rules that were initiated after the Kennedy Administration that prohibits the President from appointing relatives to serve in certain positions within the executive branch, and Clinton appointing Hillary to have control over the formulation of a public policy agenda as sweeping as health care reform which included the supervision of a staff of over 500 is a gray area to say the least.
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Re: Hillary Clinton

Postby obiken » Tue Feb 16, 2016 3:46 pm

That's the biggest problem with the Clintons they always push the envelope. I wont vote for Clinton, I am just saying that Trump is worse.
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Re: Hillary Clinton

Postby RiverDog » Tue Feb 16, 2016 5:52 pm

obiken wrote:That's the biggest problem with the Clintons they always push the envelope. I wont vote for Clinton, I am just saying that Trump is worse.


As far as being a leader, I absolutely agree. Trump is scaring the chit out of people, appealing to the lowest common denominator and playing on people's fears, not unlike Joe McCarthy back in the 50's. I have a good friend that's a Muslim, an immigrant from Iraq. It's bad enough for him to have to endure the bias that all non English speaking immigrants encounter without Trump fanning the flames. I personally feel embarrassed that Trump is getting as much traction as he is. If it comes down to Clinton and Trump, I'm voting for whoever is running on the Libertarian ticket.

Just a personal note about my Iraqi-American friend. Some of the guys at work were extremely cruel to the man, calling him a sleeper cell, mocking him when he was observing Ramadan, and so on, but he never complained. When he got his citizenship, someone, no one really knows who, went and taped a couple of little American flags to his locker door. You should have seen the smile that broke out on his face when he saw them, laughing and grinning. Although he was a friend before, that non verbal queue sealed the deal for me. I told him that his smile at those little flags cemented our friendship for me and he said that he still has those two little flags on his bedroom dresser, looks at them every morning when he gets up.

Phucking Donald Trump has his head so far up his azz that he needs a windshield wiper near his navel so he can see. The man is really out of touch.
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Re: Hillary Clinton

Postby obiken » Tue Feb 16, 2016 9:20 pm

Right on River! Maybe Jim Webb will run.
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Re: Hillary Clinton

Postby savvyman » Sun Feb 21, 2016 9:13 am

Well here is the call - Still fairly early - Bookmark it.

It will (much to the republican establishment horror) be Trump Vs Hilary Clinton for the Big Prize.

And Trump will end up beating Clinton worse than the Sehawk's beat Denver in SB 48.

All you old white guys and gals - Who can't get over your biases and false beliefs and keep supporting these Oligarchy provided "establishment" candidates - and can't understand the groundswell, organic support of Trump & Sanders - better get out of the way - Because your Children? They get it.


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Re: Hillary Clinton

Postby savvyman » Tue Mar 01, 2016 11:21 pm

Looking Pretty damm Presidential.

Get used to it - You will have at least 4 years of President Trump:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbCcA7ef0mk
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Re: Hillary Clinton

Postby savvyman » Mon Mar 07, 2016 8:01 am

Wow - Judge Jeannie rips the oligarchy and their spokesman punk - Mitt Romney - a new one. Quite Awesome rant.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srGlyFyghRk
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Re: Hillary Clinton

Postby Hawktawk » Fri Mar 11, 2016 8:32 am

The attraction to Donald "Dumpster" Trump is utterly disgusting to me. He's the Republican party's version of the German wings pilot flying the party into the mountain but we're all on board unfortunately. He's the Jim Jones of the party, the Cool-Aid is deadly.
The man is intellectually too damn lazy to even study foreign or domestic policy to figure out what he's talking about other than discussing his Wang in a Presidential debate. Insulting everyone for months and when they hit back he whines. Trotting out steak and wine after a debate. He's a clown, a circus act. The media has played along but that's coming to a screeching halt if he wins the nomination. Is Mr Billionaire really going to dump a billion of his supposed fortune(tax returns????) or is he going to lie about that too and take in donations?

Trumps cartoonish campaign antics gives the press and the democrats an opening to paint the entire party with the same broad brush and its all Trumps GD fault. Its been his MO from day one. His skin is as thin as rice paper. Mitts exactly right, he is not presidential material. You really want him in your oval office? I've never seen an election where 65 percent of the base oppose a guy and he still might get nominated. I'm for anything, contested convention, whatever stops this lunatic.

He will get his ass handed to him by Hillary Clinton. Polls are extremely consistent on this .He's the only man alive that will lose to her and even if he wins he's a complete fraud who will make deals and not be anything like he represented.
He's already backtracking on policy issues. Carla Fiorina had it right. He buys influence, Hillary sell influence. They are 2 sides of the same coin.
This man is setting Republicans back to the stone age.

And I'm not a damn Oligarch!!!! I'm no elitist and I'm PO'd at continuing to hear that only the "elites" oppose this candidacy!!!! I'm a blue collar rock ribbed conservative and I'm sitting in Washington state knowing the choice will be likely made before I even get to cast a vote, in large measure by dumbasses who gave us 8 years of Barry either by voting for him or sitting on their arse.

And in the general, I've never felt this way before but I'm not sure I can pull any lever for POTUS. And if I feel this way I'm far from alone.

He will get crushed.
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Re: Hillary Clinton

Postby c_hawkbob » Fri Mar 11, 2016 9:09 am

I said when the republicans first started taking him seriously that he was the best thing could ever happen for the Democratic party.
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Re: Hillary Clinton

Postby savvyman » Sat Mar 19, 2016 6:11 pm

c_hawkbob wrote:I said when the republicans first started taking him seriously that he was the best thing could ever happen for the Democratic party.



Said when The betting odds in Europe are around 3 to 1 in Hillary Favor.

I made the call that Trump will win when he had between a 25% - 30% chance of winning - which in politics is like being a 30 point underdog in an NFL game - - according to places where you can bet on the election.

It will be interesting to revisit each call after the November election.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOKi5YeNtRI
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Re: Hillary Clinton

Postby savvyman » Sat Mar 19, 2016 8:15 pm

savvyman wrote:Wow - Judge Jeannie rips the oligarchy and their spokesman punk - Mitt Romney - a new one. Quite Awesome rant.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srGlyFyghRk


LoL - The day that the ruling elite weaselly spokesman Mitt Romney attack on Donald Trump - Trump held a 23 Delegate lead.

Today? - and even after those passionate and dimwitted "insights" provided by Hawktawk? Trump lead in delegates is 263.

https://twitter.com/mmurraypolitics/status/710551972152262656
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Re: Hillary Clinton

Postby RiverDog » Mon Mar 21, 2016 9:44 pm

c_hawkbob wrote:I said when the republicans first started taking him seriously that he was the best thing could ever happen for the Democratic party.


And consequently, Hillary running at the top of the Dem ticket would otherwise be a dream come true for the Republicans. She has more negatives than any of the top candidates in the Democratic party, and that was before her email scandal surfaced.

I know that a lot of people that were upset at the choice we got when it was Bush vs. Gore and Bush vs. Kerry. But if Hillary and Trump win their respective races, these two choices would represent the worst two options that we've had in my memory. I'm beginning to think that we got better candidates out of smoke filled rooms than we do in our current primary system that takes advantage of voter ignorance/apathy and hinges on the 10-15 second sound bite.
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Re: Hillary Clinton

Postby c_hawkbob » Tue Mar 22, 2016 7:03 am

I keep seeing people draw that analogy but I don't buy it. Hillary is not equal to (or inversely proportionate to, if you prefer) Trump. Not by half.
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Re: Hillary Clinton

Postby RiverDog » Tue Mar 22, 2016 8:49 am

c_hawkbob wrote:I keep seeing people draw that analogy but I don't buy it. Hillary is not equal to (or inversely proportionate to, if you prefer) Trump. Not by half.


Then you're in the minority if that's what you believe. Polls have consistently ranked Hillary at the top in the category of least honest or trustworthy. Trump, Sanders, Cruz, Jeb Bush, et al all out poll Hillary in that all important category of trust and honesty. That's been the ugly truth on her ever since she burst onto the scene as First Lady. People don't trust her, and this latest email flap just reinforces that attitude.
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Re: Hillary Clinton

Postby c_hawkbob » Tue Mar 22, 2016 10:30 am

I'm not arguing any of what you said about Hillary. I'm arguing the level of hate, divisiveness and bigotry of Donald, and the damage having a man like that in the White House could do to this country,especially in the eyes of the rest of the world. We haven't seen this level of hatred and incitement to violence in a candidate in decades.
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Re: Hillary Clinton

Postby RiverDog » Tue Mar 22, 2016 11:26 am

c_hawkbob wrote:I'm not arguing any of what you said about Hillary. I'm arguing the level of hate, divisiveness and bigotry of Donald, and the damage having a man like that in the White House could do to this country,especially in the eyes of the rest of the world. We haven't seen this level of hatred and incitement to violence in a candidate in decades.


Oh, I agree 100% and then some with regard to your opinion of Donald Trump. He's the 21st century version of Joe McCarthy, preying on the irrational fears of otherwise good and decent citizens. He would set back by 30 years the social progress we've made in this country. With as many close friends and co workers I have that were not born in this country, I wouldn't be able to look myself in the mirror if I were to vote for him.

But Hillary IMO is not even close to being the reciprocal of Donald Trump, which is what I sensed your opinion was. She's no better than the next worse option out of all the other major candidates, and I'm not voting for her, either. Her lack of honesty and trustworthiness is IMO a disqualifying factor in her ability to act as Commander in Chief, and I would think that a person like yourself that has served in the armed forces would recognize that personal trait as being a critical component in the make-up of an acceptable presidential candidate.
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Re: Hillary Clinton

Postby c_hawkbob » Tue Mar 22, 2016 1:34 pm

I don't know what you mean by "the reciprocal of", but what I am saying is that she is not, as a candidate should she get the nomination, as likely to drive people away from her party as Trump would be. By half.

Meaning that I believe a Trump nomination could split the Republican party wide open. I don't believe a Clinton nomination would have even half that effect on the Democratic party.
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Re: Hillary Clinton

Postby kalibane » Tue Mar 22, 2016 1:42 pm

I'm beginning to think that we got better candidates out of smoke filled rooms


These candidates are not coming from people, they are coming from smoke filled rooms (metaphorically). Trump's just running the same Southern Strategy playbook that Republicans have been running since Nixon. He's just not being subtle about it. People act like he's some kind of rogue agent and that couldn't be further from the truth. He's Frankenstein's Monster, and all the little Dr. Frankenstiens in the Republican leadership deluded themselves into thinking they had control.

And while Trump is a product of the smoke filled room indirectly. Clinton is the ultimate smoke filled room candidate. Two years ago they started rigging the election. They got all the female democratic Senators to pledge to not run (so as to not steal her female candidate Thunder). They installed her 2008 campaign manager as the head of the DNC, who then proceeded to limit the number of debates to an obscenely low number so as to not offer any exposure to an upstart candidate and avoid another Obama then she scheduled them at times when no one would be watching TV just to make sure. She's has tried to suppress voting efforts (because she knows that young people are not for her). She tried to stop the ability of 17 year olds who would be 18 at time of the General to vote in the primary here in Ohio (a law that's been on the books for years). And she has called in political chits with the so called "black leaders" in order to get them to speak out against Bernie Sander's civil rights record (despite the fact that during the Civil Rights movement she was working for the last great racist demagogue and Bernie Sanders was getting arrested for protesting racial discrimination).

It's all a joke. Clinton is the most smoke filled room candidate that may have ever existed and Trump is the second hand smoke from that same room.

P.S. Bob is right but with a caveat. Trump splits the party wide open not because of his ugliness on the campaign trail. They care a little bit about being tarnished by the overt racist rhetoric but the real reason he splits the party is because they can't control him.
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Re: Hillary Clinton

Postby RiverDog » Wed Mar 23, 2016 1:56 am

c_hawkbob wrote:I don't know what you mean by "the reciprocal of", but what I am saying is that she is not, as a candidate should she get the nomination, as likely to drive people away from her party as Trump would be. By half.

Meaning that I believe a Trump nomination could split the Republican party wide open. I don't believe a Clinton nomination would have even half that effect on the Democratic party.


Bad choice of words on my part. What I meant was that IMO Hillary is not an acceptable alternative to Trump, and I got the impression that you felt otherwise.

Trump has already split the Republican party wide open, which isn't necessarily a bad thing. If Donald Trump is to be their standard bearer, then the party needs to be split up as there are a lot of voters in what I consider to be my category, that being a fiscal conservative and social moderate, but that refuse to vote for a racist or even be vaguely associated with one.

Obviously Hillary is not going to have the same effect on the D's as Trump has on the R's. Hillary has been active in Democratic party politics for decades, as a first lady, a Senator, and as a member of two Democratic administrations. She is the quintessential political insider with an established network of core supporters. That's why she lags in support from younger voters, a demographical group you would think that a female candidate would appeal to, and that's because she's viewed by them as an insider. On the other hand, this is Trump's first foray into the political arena, and his rhetoric is much more caustic than the ever compromising, politically correct Hillary.

And Kal, I disagree with your assessment of Trump and Hillary being products of smoke filled rooms. IMO they are products of the 10-15 second sound bite, which is what running a primary campaign is all about. Harry Truman was the last President that was a product of a smoke filled room. He had almost zero personal funds of his own, was a failure as a businessman, was hand picked by the boss of a political machine to run for the Senate, was dubbed "the Senator from Pendergast." He did not campaign for either the Presidency or the VP nomination in 1944, rather he was selected by the Democratic party bosses when the incumbent VP was deemed by them to be too liberal. Turns out he wasn't such a bad candidate, a lot better than the two bozo's we have to choose from this year.

Hillary has been running for President since 1992, Trump was selected by no one and is where he is by virtue of his huge financial wealth. Neither one is what I'd call having come from a smoke filled room.
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Re: Hillary Clinton

Postby Hawktawk » Thu Mar 24, 2016 4:08 pm

[quote="savvyman"][quote="savvyman"]Wow - Judge Jeannie rips the oligarchy and their spokesman punk - Mitt Romney - a new one. Quite Awesome rant.



LoL - The day that the ruling elite weaselly spokesman Mitt Romney attack on Donald Trump - Trump held a 23 Delegate lead.

Today? - and even after those passionate and dimwitted "insights" provided by Hawktawk? Trump lead in delegates is 263.

Someone called Russell Wilson "greedy"Greedapalooza". Talk about a dim bulb.................................

Hitler got to power too Unsavvy. Didn't mean the people that sold their soul had it right.

Trump cant even put it away, he is increasingly unlikely to get the necessary delegates and has NO CHANCE at a deadlocked convention. Cruz would be beating him had the race not been stacked with too many alternatives to the ass clown.Your spray tan Carrot comb over man is a sitting duck in the general which he likely wont see, and if he is he's not my candidate any more than Barry was 4 years ago. I don't care if you are GD stupid enough to walk the plank, I wont join you.
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Re: Hillary Clinton

Postby obiken » Sun Mar 27, 2016 4:44 pm

When I first met her she asked me my name, I couldn't remember my name!!

William Jefferson Clinton
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Re: Hillary Clinton

Postby Hawktown » Tue Mar 29, 2016 6:07 pm

Seventh grader says bloodlines of 42 of 43 U.S. Presidents link back to King John of England

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nationa ... -1.1129452

So, I guess it is Killary for POTUS??? What a bummer!!! Figures, unless another candidate has royal blood. LOL!
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Re: Hillary Clinton

Postby savvyman » Fri May 13, 2016 6:07 am

I think I have made my thoughts known about what is clearly the most corrupt politician in the history of the USA - going back oer a year now - with facts to support my position - that have turned out again to be 100% right.

Well here is the latest round of facts (that I alerted everyone here at the Shack about a year ago) just coming to light - about the most corrupt candidate for anything in the history of the USA.

http://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/hillarys-latest-scandal-she-and-bill-siphoned-100-mil-from-persian-gulf-leaders/


>>>>>>>>A new investigation reveals that Bill and Hillary Clinton took in at least $100 million from Middle East leaders. Can such a financially and ethically compromised candidate truly function as our nation’s leader?

The investigation by the Daily Caller News Foundation has uncovered a disturbing pattern of the Clintons’ raising money for the Clinton Foundation from regimes that have checkered records on human rights and that aren’t always operating in the best interests of the U.S. By the way, the $100 million we mentioned above doesn’t appear to include another $30 million given to the Clintons by two Mideast-based foundations and four billionaire Saudis.

All told, it’s a lot of money.

“These regimes are buying access,” Patrick Poole, a national security analyst who regularly writes for PJ Media, told the DCNF. “You’ve got the Saudis. You’ve got the Kuwaitis, Oman, Qatar and the UAE (United Arab Emirates). There are massive conflicts of interest. It’s beyond comprehension.”<<<<<<<<<<
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Re: Hillary Clinton

Postby c_hawkbob » Fri May 13, 2016 7:06 am

I have no doubt that Hillary's corrupt (although i severely doubt "the most corrupt ever") and I'm going to go see Bernie this weekend and will be casting my vote against her in the primary on Tuesday.

But if it comes down to her vs Trump in November she'll have my vote as a vote against Trump and his fear mongering politics of hate.
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Re: Hillary Clinton

Postby Hawktawk » Fri May 13, 2016 12:06 pm

many months ago when the Trump phenomenon surfaced I said i would hold my nose and vote for him vs Hillary.

But now Ive watched a year of the charlatan ass clown habitual liar bipolar maybe billionaire self funder nobody could buy who suddenly has his hand out begging for money and wont release his tax returns."its none of your business" that is what he said yesterday!!!! Boy you Trumpies bought a pig in a poke didn't you?.....suckers

He says hes pro life but supports baby parts grist mill planned parenthood. He refuses to address entitlements most notably social security. He favors protectionist tariffs at home(led to the great depression) and isolationism and withdrawal abroad (led to 2 world wars and the rise of Isis), wants to cozy up to Vlad Putin "see if hes reasonable".No further comment needed on that one....
He played a publicity stunt allowing Caitlin to use the ladies room in Trump tower of Babel while being filmed and commenting that "nobody got raped".He contributed numerous times to Hillary's campaigns and gave 100K to the Clinton slush fund.And so on it could be a novel there is so much material.

Would someone explain why republicans should support him? Stop Hillary? Ill tell you what shes a lying conniving B.... but I honestly feel the country would be safer with her in the white house.If shes a 3rd term of Bill it might be downright bearable and certainly an improvement over the last 8 years.

If Im going to have an enemy in the white house it isnt going to be one I chose and am responsible for.

Ill be voting libertarian, maybe forever now

Trump is an absolute POS and no way is this reliably conservative straight republican ticket for 4 decades voter going to ever put my name on this spray tanned carrot combover egomanic.
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Re: Hillary Clinton

Postby EmeraldBullet » Fri May 13, 2016 12:42 pm

[quote="Hawktawk"] Ill be voting libertarian, maybe forever now
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This is where I am headed I think.
I don't think I can vote for either trump or Hillary without feeling really badly. I'd rather not vote, then at least I didn't support this.
We are so screwed. Maybe Sanders will run as third party and win. You know it's really bad when the conservative libertarian is supporting the communist
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Re: Hillary Clinton

Postby Hawktawk » Sat May 14, 2016 9:49 am

Interesting take EB. I was saying for quite a while that I don't agree with a damn thing sanders says but at least he is honest, Then we find the 15 dollar minimum wage guy pays his staffers 12 and the taxes need raised guy pays 13.5 %.hes another lying politician.

They are all 3 absolute hypocrites, liars, thieves, one a serial rapist supporter and enabler and hes maybe the first first dude. The second is a serial philanderer with hours and hours of audio and video describing weird obsessions with womens skin, the late Princess Diana, etc.He bragged on tape about being with Marla Maples "big T..s no brains" and screwing 3 other women at the same time.
He called reporters posing as his own pr man on dozens of occasions and cast himself in the most favorable light, a practice he has alternately admitted and denied and which reporters found rather creepy. Its a new bizarre revelation every day and there are 7 months to go.....
The 3rd is a socialist who never had a real job, collected welfare, protested in favor of communists, never sponsored a single piece of successful legislation in a quarter century in the Senate and is an old geezer man who combs his hair with a rock. Nope, nope, and noper.

Gary Johnson, libertarian candidate is a 2 term republican governor of New Mexico.Prior to that he was an extremely successful businessman and competitive triathlete. He never raised taxes one time in 8 years and left the state with over a 1 billion dollar surplus. He is considered one of the most successful Republican governors in recent history. He experienced the "rigged" aspect of the party when he was shut out of entering the presidential race in 2012 and became a libertarian.
This is a guy I can get enthusiastic about. Governors are the only politicians who actually run something and he has been principled about his politics from day one.
I get the "stop Hillary" argument and honestly I don't care anymore, I'm done with the party if this man and his supporters are who is going to define it.We may lose some elections before we win but the 2 party monopoly isn't working anymore and we have to start changing it somewhere.
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