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Re: North Korea

Postby c_hawkbob » Sat Sep 23, 2017 9:58 am

IMO republican have entirely lost any moral ground they ever had with old "Grab "em by the Pussy" carrying the banner. Talk about pure hypocrisy.
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Re: North Korea

Postby Largent80 » Sat Sep 23, 2017 1:16 pm

JFK banged Marilyn, thats ok in my book, and Monica is lookin good these days, just sayin.
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Re: North Korea

Postby c_hawkbob » Sat Sep 23, 2017 1:28 pm

Well Melania's no mutt either if that's how we're keeping score.
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Re: North Korea

Postby Aseahawkfan » Sun Sep 24, 2017 5:49 am

c_hawkbob wrote:IMO republican have entirely lost any moral ground they ever had with old "Grab "em by the Pussy" carrying the banner. Talk about pure hypocrisy.


Politician and moral ground? I haven't read about a politician that had much moral ground to stand on. It is impossible to lead a nation like the United States in a moral fashion. But total disregard for the moral character of our leaders is a huge part of the reason why we will never have moral leadership. I can't think of a president that didn't engage in some kind of amoral behavior whether Reagan's Latin American Adventures, Clinton's Yugoslavian scumbag deals and his general cheating, Bush Sr. participation in the Reagan scandals and the CIA garbage, and Obama's continuation of the Patriot Act and Drone killings. We're a fairly ruthless nation that puts on a facade of morality. I guarantee if the people were too unruly, they would turn the military on us in a heartbeat.

Even the level of taxation is criminal. I remember voting for $30 tabs in Washington State. It was a clear message to the government that we wanted to pay less for tabs. We voted for it. It should had stood. What did the Washington State government due? Make us pay for license plates more often, raise the gas tax, and eventually add in more taxes with a different name voted on by the state legislature with no vote by the people. Now they want a state income tax.

Government is by its nature immoral using the power of the mob and the various institutions to ensure order and security over just about anything else. I only see it getting worse as the population grows and requires more and more maintenance costs that will be paid for by taxing productive people. The people have definitely lost control of the nation. They will likely never regain it. Money and power run this nation. Voting and government involvement is a token action that our current politicians will subvert at every opportunity as they have shown in recent years.
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Re: North Korea

Postby Largent80 » Sun Sep 24, 2017 9:55 am

Now the Orange Orangutan is getting the sports community pissed.

What an Attention Whore, no dignity, no nothing really except being the biggest asshole on the planet.
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Re: North Korea

Postby burrrton » Sun Sep 24, 2017 10:08 am

We're a fairly ruthless nation


We don't always make the wisest choices, but if we were a truly ruthless nation, the world would know it.
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Re: North Korea

Postby Aseahawkfan » Mon Sep 25, 2017 12:10 pm

burrrton wrote:We don't always make the wisest choices, but if we were a truly ruthless nation, the world would know it.


The naivete in this post. I love America, but I've spent time to learn what we're up to with our foreign policy decisions. They are very ruthless and intended for our gain, specifically our business leaders, not our people.

The world does know it. Do you really not read much on why places don't like us? Or talk to people from those places? Iran doesn't like us for very real reasons. We meddled in the governance of their nation for years. We encouraged warfare between Iran and Iraq for years. We helped fund this war. It led to the death of millions.

In Bosnia, our government made a deal with Serbians that committed genocide murdering 10,000 Bosnians in a village. Bosnians in that nation feel we allowed this to happen as part of a deal with the Serbians.

We supplied kleptocrat in Tunisia with funding and weapons to control his region that was oppressing his people and stealing from them.

We did the same in so many nations that the list nearly endless. The rest of the world knows very well we are ruthless. They are wary of dealings with us for very real reasons. I know the narrative in the news here is "They hate our freedom." But the narrative in the nations where we have problems is a very different matter. They have very real and concrete grievances against us for interfering in their nations politics and exploiting their people.

That's why I don't listen to people like Hilary preaching about "good" or these liberal hippies preaching about "love." This is a competitive world. America is on top because they made the moves necessary win, including winning hearts and minds. Why do you think 320 million people pay enough taxes for us to exert control worldwide using our military? That's what you calling proper selling of a belief system. American leadership plays this game for power and they have been very, very successful.
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Re: North Korea

Postby Largent80 » Mon Sep 25, 2017 2:15 pm

Dude you preach about Hillary in a negative way but face it, She has leadership capabilities and DIGNITY.

Rump is rump, and HAS ZERO BUSINESS BEING PRESIDENT AND MAY KILL US ALL.
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Re: North Korea

Postby burrrton » Mon Sep 25, 2017 2:58 pm

I love America, but I've spent time to learn what we're up to with our foreign policy decisions.


Oh, so YOU'RE the one! Well let me defer to you since you've obviously done some reading unlike everyone else.
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Re: North Korea

Postby NorthHawk » Mon Sep 25, 2017 3:48 pm

You will find in history that powerful nations often used their military as an "enforcement arm" of foreign policy.
That often led to abuses and contempt from the nations that suffered from it.
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Re: North Korea

Postby Largent80 » Mon Sep 25, 2017 4:12 pm

History is history, who cares right now with 2 egocentric nuclear IDIOTS threatening each other. Except, well...US. Are you OK with being nuked?

I guess we won't know the difference but hey, thanks Rump supporters for ending our lives.
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Re: North Korea

Postby Aseahawkfan » Mon Sep 25, 2017 6:15 pm

Largent80 wrote:Dude you preach about Hillary in a negative way but face it, She has leadership capabilities and DIGNITY.

Rump is rump, and HAS ZERO BUSINESS BEING PRESIDENT AND MAY KILL US ALL.


Hilary has dignity? The corrupt woman that stayed with a husband that cheated on her multiple times in the White House solely to further her political career? That's what you call dignity?
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Re: North Korea

Postby Aseahawkfan » Mon Sep 25, 2017 6:19 pm

NorthHawk wrote:You will find in history that powerful nations often used their military as an "enforcement arm" of foreign policy.
That often led to abuses and contempt from the nations that suffered from it.


Exactly. It's why moral or good or right don't come in the equation.

We are a powerful nation. An empire protecting itself and furthering its power through business. It's what we do. We are ruthless about it.
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Re: North Korea

Postby Aseahawkfan » Mon Sep 25, 2017 6:36 pm

burrrton wrote:Oh, so YOU'RE the one! Well let me defer to you since you've obviously done some reading unlike everyone else.


When a person claims we're not ruthless when you can literally read historical example after historical example of America being ruthless, then I have to question how well read they are. Either that or they are willfully ignoring what the word means. It has been this way from the beginning. Americans are taught to be very competitive and ruthless whether it is taking land from the natives, crushing some foreign power troubling us by dropping a nuclear weapon we know will kill many innocents with the excuse it saved lives, putting puppet dictators backed by American military support to control the oil supply from afar or ensure opposing philosophies don't take a foothold in our territory, or any of the numerous foreign policy and domestic decisions made by American leadership to build our power. Even in business we are taught to be ruthless and expand as much as possible crushing competition by whatever legal means is available.

You may be confusing the idea that I think ruthless is a bad word. I do not. I want Americans to continue to be competitive, ruthless, and driven. It is what made us great. I don't want Americans to become like the Scandinavians. A bunch of soft socialists that think no one will ever trouble them again, when really they benefit from their location and association with more powerful nations that protect them. The same reason Canada enjoys such strong security by their proximity to us and the knowledge that any foreign power attacking Canada will be met by us on the field of the battle because we will not allow a foreign power like China or Russia to take power in our area.

Fortunately, we're merciful winners. Once we've beaten you, then we turn you into a new market for our businesses. It's our way. It's what I've heard referred to as cultural imperialism by foreign folk that don't enjoy the aggressive way that we do business.
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Re: North Korea

Postby burrrton » Mon Sep 25, 2017 6:57 pm

When a person claims we're not ruthless when you can literally read historical example after historical example of America being ruthless, then I have to question how well read they are.


Question it all you want, chief. I didn't just start paying attention to this yesterday, but you go ahead and keep thinking you've got the market on reality cornered.

Here's another little reality bite for you: we could literally take anything we want on this planet right now. Picking an example almost at random, that we pay $3/gal for gas right now should be all the proof you need- we could make the entire country of Iraq an extension of the US oil industry tomorrow. You know why we don't? Because we aren't behaving ruthlessly.

We have been, and continue to be, the greatest force for good this planet has ever seen. We make mistakes, but that doesn't change the facts on the ground.

This is a dull conversation. See ya.
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Re: North Korea

Postby Aseahawkfan » Tue Sep 26, 2017 9:15 pm

burrrton wrote:Question it all you want, chief. I didn't just start paying attention to this yesterday, but you go ahead and keep thinking you've got the market on reality cornered.

Here's another little reality bite for you: we could literally take anything we want on this planet right now. Picking an example almost at random, that we pay $3/gal for gas right now should be all the proof you need- we could make the entire country of Iraq an extension of the US oil industry tomorrow. You know why we don't? Because we aren't behaving ruthlessly.

We have been, and continue to be, the greatest force for good this planet has ever seen. We make mistakes, but that doesn't change the facts on the ground.

This is a dull conversation. See ya.


Do you seriously believe this garbage? We almost went bankrupt making war against two small nations like Iraq and Afghanistan. We stretched our military resources thin and drove up the deficit to an immense level.

Reality bite? Here's one for you: we took this land from the people that lived on it, with ruthless efficiency. We installed many puppet governments that we used to extend our control in a region because it was cheaper than taking it. We do not just make mistakes. We make decisions. No, we couldn't take any country we want. That has been proven many, many times that a nation, even a small one, can make the cost of taking another nation far too high.

I always knew you were a delusional neocon whose view of the world is as hypocritical and false as Trump. You don't want to know the truth that we are not good. Being good is not a part of our Constitution. When one thinks they are being "good", one has to define what that is first which can be done by anyone with power as needed. At one time, slavery was considered good. Good is an arbitrary word that can be defined as needed. America has a very clear agenda worldwide. It's not often to be good.

It's always a dull conversation when you don't have recorded history on your side and can't prove what you're trying to prove. You always recede from conversations you can't prove because your worldview would be shattered if you had to accept the truth.

As I view it, America promotes, sells,and ruthlessly protects a more orderly, prosperous, and free society than the alternatives. It is logically better than other systems. I do not confuse that with the arbitrary belief that it is good and ridiculous belief that America has not been ruthless in its pursuit of power and wealth. Our leaders were smarter about it than other world leaders because American leadership discovered you don't need to take over nations to build wealth and power. In fact, doing so is more costly and less efficient than using puppets, extracting resources, and dominating them in business. It's a more intelligent method of accomplishing the same tasks that has been highly successful.

We are what we are. I'm ok with it even if you are not. You need to believe America has been this great force of good, then have at it. Doesn't change anything and won't change how we do business.America aims to win. And part of winning is building patriotism by making your citizens think you're the good guys.
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Re: North Korea

Postby rocket » Mon Oct 02, 2017 6:46 pm

Largent80 wrote:Dude you preach about Hillary in a negative way but face it, She has leadership capabilities and DIGNITY.


Hilda-Bear is a demon with a pointed tail and a bifurcated tongue and she eats small mammals whole and alive.
Dignity. Dude, be real.

I hate Donaldo Trumpet, but Jesus... and, for the record, I didn't vote the Prez ticket, couldn't bring myself to vote either of those bozos.

Hi Rob... :)
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Re: North Korea

Postby Largent80 » Mon Oct 02, 2017 7:21 pm

Hahaha, that s*** is funny Rick.

Oh and Howdy.

And isn't she Hildabeast?
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Re: North Korea

Postby Largent80 » Thu Oct 05, 2017 4:58 am

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Re: North Korea

Postby c_hawkbob » Thu Oct 05, 2017 1:28 pm

Largent80 wrote:Image


LOL!
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Re: North Korea

Postby Seahawkgal » Thu Oct 05, 2017 2:13 pm

I remember that meme from a few years ago. Still hilarious! :lol:
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