Split California

[RiverDog]

Yea, I remember the issue about not salting the streets due to a concern about the runoff harming salmon. Were they basing their decision on any kind of scientific evidence? I could be mistaken, but I don't think salmon migrate in the winter.

Do you remember the "Occupy Seattle" protests? I'm not sure what it was that they were protesting, something to do with the fact that some people had more money than others.

I realize that this madness isn't confined to just Seattle, but it sure seems that they have more than their fair share of lunatics.

[burrrton]

Do you remember the "Occupy Seattle" protests? I'm not sure what it was that they were protesting, something to do with the fact that some people had more money than others.

Well, most of them didn't know, either, but to whatever degree they *could* spit out an issue, the Occupoopers' beef boiled down to one basic fallacy: that people getting richer means others have to get poorer and/or otherwise suffer.

It was and is childish and ridiculous.

[RiverDog]

Well, most of them didn't know, either, but to whatever degree they *could* spit out an issue, the Occupoopers' beef boiled down to one basic fallacy: that people getting richer means others have to get poorer and/or otherwise suffer.

It was and is childish and ridiculous.

I've always felt that people of the Occupy strain needed a villain to blame their personal failings on, so what better candidate than some faceless, inhuman Wall Street corporation?

That's the type of mindset that too many of the current residents of Seattle proper are encouraging by making villains out of Amazon and Starbuck's, and although it's an extreme example, it nevertheless illustrates one of the reasons why I reject the current form of liberalism that's been propagated in this country.

[Aseahawkfan]

Big problem in America was the nation let the schools be taken over by looney left liberalism. 99% of people can't sift between what is good and bad with their viewpoints, so they end up either wholly accepting a particular philosophy or opposing it without a great deal of ability to deeply analyze their viewpoint using real world data. Higher education, especially with minorities, has been brainwashing them for so long stoking a sense of vengeance against the white elite that they haven't bothered to notice there are a lot of working class white folk that weren't much participating in all the crap that led to the majority of their problems, at least not willingly. Now you have these divisions on all sides that have a huge of lack of sympathy or understanding of what's really occurring within each other's communities. It's damn sad that extremism and sensationalism is what seems to drive social change. I'm starting to fear what the next Democratic winner might look like if Trump was able to take The White House. We might get a true socialist in office that makes this place more insane and empowers the looneys like Canada with their strange laws involving gender and the like.

[RiverDog]

Big problem in America was the nation let the schools be taken over by looney left liberalism. 99% of people can't sift between what is good and bad with their viewpoints, so they end up either wholly accepting a particular philosophy or opposing it without a great deal of ability to deeply analyze their viewpoint using real world data. Higher education, especially with minorities, has been brainwashing them for so long stoking a sense of vengeance against the white elite that they haven't bothered to notice there are a lot of working class white folk that weren't much participating in all the crap that led to the majority of their problems, at least not willingly. Now you have these divisions on all sides that have a huge of lack of sympathy or understanding of what's really occurring within each other's communities. It's damn sad that extremism and sensationalism is what seems to drive social change. I'm starting to fear what the next Democratic winner might look like if Trump was able to take The White House. We might get a true socialist in office that makes this place more insane and empowers the looneys like Canada with their strange laws involving gender and the like.

Our educational system is inheriently liberal due to the fact that most educators have never worked in a business setting. They go to college, get a degree, and immediately embark on a teaching career, and as a result, are more influenced by idealism or the way things ought to be. Most educators don't have to worry about things like budgets, dealing with unions, attracting customers, or complying with government regulations. Had they experienced some of those issues that many of us in private industry have to deal with daily, they might not so easily adapt typical liberal positions. Due to the low pay scale for teachers, not very many people leave private industry to take jobs in the educational field, so as a result, most administrative positions are filled from within and nearly all entry level positions are filled with college grads that likewise have no experience in private industry outside of summer jobs like flipping hamburgers to finance their schooling, so there's very little internal debate over opposing points of view.

There's only one true socialist that's currently on the political scene, and that's Bernie Sanders, and I doubt that he'll make much of a wave in 2020 like he did in 2016. For one thing, he's as old as the hills and secondly, he's not a true Democrat and if he chose to run, would face similar problems that he had when he challenged HRC for the nomination. The Dem I've been keeping an eye on is the two term governor of New York Andrew Cuomo. He'll be running for a 3rd term this November and if he wins big, it might propel him into the discussion for a Democratic answer to Trump.

But we'll have to wait until after the midterms before we start seeing candidates express interest in the nomination. Heck, there's a good chance that we could see a serious challenge within the Republican party to Donald Trump.

[NorthHawk]

Someone else to keep an eye out for the Dems is Gavin Newsom, former Mayor of San Francisco and current Lieutenant Governor of California.
He's running for Governor now, but who knows what might happen if there is a lot of support nationally. He's also started 11 businesses but sold his shares in the San Francisco businesses when he became mayor.
He still owns a couple of businesses in California.
He's a businessman and a progressive so that might appeal to the Democrats but maybe he will wait until 2024 if he wins the Governorship to pad his resume.