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I don't see a heavy hitter in the lineup of the Democratic party in the run for the POTUS in 2020. Oprah Winfrey ?

God no! No more celebrities . We can see how effective they are at actually governing .


I think
Beto O’Rourke will rise up. Telegenic , a magnificent orator. He makes an unabashedly liberal agenda sound as palatable as it possibly can be. I think he would mop the floor with Chump in debates. That is assuming Chump
Is running .

This should be in the 2020 thread.

Nevertheless, good lord HT, Robert Francis O'rourke has less experience at running anything than Obama had and significantly less than Trump has. We've had enough of the puppet in the white house crap.

idhawkman wrote:This should be in the 2020 thread.

Nevertheless, good lord HT, Robert Francis O'rourke has less experience at running anything than Obama had and significantly less than Trump has. We've had enough of the puppet in the white house crap.

Hello ID? Trump is the first president in history with no military or public service experience ie political office. 56% of the people who disagree with him can see how well it’s working. O’Rourke has been a state legislator and more importantly a mayor of a major metropolitan largely Hispanic community . He’s being described as a “white Obama” in terms of his charisma. He’s currently 3rd behind creepy uncle joe and bitchy snag Elizabeth warren as the party’s choice after nearly knocking off Ted Cruz .


Biden would likely wax trump but warren would be a Hillary esque gift to the republican nominee I’m far from convinced will be trump.

O’Rourke will bury the republican especially if it’s one of the least popular presidents ever with the current economic fundamentals. If there’s an impeachment , resignation etc and someone like sasse fills the void then all bets are off.

Michael Bloomberg is talking about running as a Dem. His problem is that he doesn't share many of the views embraced by the far left, but on the other hand, this same attribute could siphon away moderate Trump voters. He also has a huge bankroll he can spend on the campaign.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/17/us/p ... ocrat.html

O'Rourke has no experience, but I think the country has shown it doesn't care anymore.

He'll be a tough candidate (and yes, he'll run).

[quote="burrrton"]O'Rourke has no experience, but I think the country has shown it doesn't care anymore.

He'll be a tough candidate (and yes, he'll run).[/quote

Obama has already met with O'Rourke and its reported that Biden is not happy about it. I'm just sick of a bunch of 70+ year olds of either gender or party setting the agenda for the nation.

RiverDog wrote:Michael Bloomberg is talking about running as a Dem. His problem is that he doesn't share many of the views embraced by the far left, but on the other hand, this same attribute could siphon away moderate Trump voters. He also has a huge bankroll he can spend on the campaign.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/17/us/p ... ocrat.html

I don't see not sharing many of the democratic far left views as a "problem" at all.The far left of the democrat party IS the problem with the party.

Does America want another billionaire though? At least Blomberg is sane.....

RiverDog wrote:Michael Bloomberg is talking about running as a Dem. His problem is that he doesn't share many of the views embraced by the far left, but on the other hand, this same attribute could siphon away moderate Trump voters. He also has a huge bankroll he can spend on the campaign.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/17/us/p ... ocrat.html

Hawktawk wrote:I don't see not sharing many of the democratic far left views as a "problem" at all.The far left of the democrat party IS the problem with the party.

Does America want another billionaire though? At least Blomberg is sane.....

That's true, not sharing views embraced by the far left could be an asset. But there's going to be a cost in that he would not be able to motivate the base. My sense is that the Dem base hates Trump so much that they'll turn out and vote for anyone, but I wouldn't bet a lot money on it. As far as I'm concerned, I'd rather have Bloomberg in there than Sanders or Warren.

As far as I'm concerned, I'd rather have Bloomberg in there than Sanders or Warren.

Ayup.

RiverDog wrote:Michael Bloomberg is talking about running as a Dem. His problem is that he doesn't share many of the views embraced by the far left, but on the other hand, this same attribute could siphon away moderate Trump voters. He also has a huge bankroll he can spend on the campaign.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/17/us/p ... ocrat.html

He can't syphon any votes away from Trump unless he wins his party's nomination which won't happen on the Soda ban/tax alone he implemented in NY. I don't care if he spends his entire bank roll on the campaign he has no chance for that one policy alone.

burrrton wrote:O'Rourke has no experience, but I think the country has shown it doesn't care anymore.

He'll be a tough candidate (and yes, he'll run).

I actually hope he does run as Trump will grind him into minced meat.

The democrats are going to tear each other apart in their primaries. The far left is going to drag whoever the candidate is so far to the left that they'll not be able to pivot back to the center to gain the masses needed for the electoral college.

idhawkman wrote:The democrats are going to tear each other apart in their primaries. The far left is going to drag whoever the candidate is so far to the left that they'll not be able to pivot back to the center to gain the masses needed for the electoral college.

I don't think this is out of the realm of possibility.

burrrton wrote:I don't think this is out of the realm of possibility.

Right? Its funny how people like HT say that Trump will lose and even River said that he lost the popular vote (as if that is what matters) and that he is unpopular at this point, etc., etc., etc. but.... they don't even know who is running against him. It literally could be Bernie or Pocahantis. Makes me laugh every time. Also, they don't know what is going to happen between now and the election. Reagan was very unpopular until just before his reelection - it took that long for him to get the U.S. out of the misery index left over from Carter.

I expect the trade wars to be settled by the time the next election is here and the economy will continue to be strong. Unemployment will still be low and we'll have more jobs than we can fill. The current govt shutdown will be over and we'll have a better immigration policy as well as an infrastructure bill that is in full swing by then. Its going to be real hard for people to vote for "REsist" when those things are all solved.

RiverDog wrote:
That's true, not sharing views embraced by the far left could be an asset. But there's going to be a cost in that he would not be able to motivate the base. My sense is that the Dem base hates Trump so much that they'll turn out and vote for anyone, but I wouldn't bet a lot money on it. As far as I'm concerned, I'd rather have Bloomberg in there than Sanders or Warren.

I can’t stand either warren or sanders . He’s a fraud and utter socialist loon. Warren comes across like a bitchy English teacher scolding her class. Bloomberg is fine with me if it’s he or trump. So is O’Rourke although he’s quite a ways left of my perspective . My great hope is impeachment , resignation , or incarceration because I’d vote for Pence. Failing that I think the party is ripe for a primary challenge unlike any before .

It will be difficult to outsell Trump. He works a crowd as well as anyone I've seen running. His mastery of social media to bolster his followers is the best I've seen. If Trump runs in 2020 absent economic collapse which I don't see happening, he'll be a tough out. I imagine the Dems will have ton of dirt to release at key times during the election to take him down which could help a better candidate than Hilary.

Aseahawkfan wrote:It will be difficult to outsell Trump. He works a crowd as well as anyone I've seen running. His mastery of social media to bolster his followers is the best I've seen. If Trump runs in 2020 absent economic collapse which I don't see happening, he'll be a tough out. I imagine the Dems will have ton of dirt to release at key times during the election to take him down which could help a better candidate than Hilary.

Dude he works a 39% crowd . His strong dissaproval % is over 50. He’s got no shot unless it’s Hillary or warren imo

HE would tell you to place a Check Mark in the Wimp Box by supporting Beta O'Rourke.

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HE will be Returning.................Soon.

The True Prophet wrote:HE would tell you to place a Check Mark in the Wimp Box by supporting Beta O'Rourke.

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HE will be Returning.................Soon.

I support the election of anyone not named trump. It’s not about ideology at all for me. It’s about dignity, sanity , competency . Hopefullly he’s in prison so I can vote for a Republican.

Hawktawk wrote:I support the election of anyone not named trump. It’s not about ideology at all for me. It’s about dignity, sanity , competency . Hopefullly he’s in prison so I can vote for a Republican.

Hillary Clinton isn't named Trump. Are you telling me that you'd support her?

I'm in pretty much the same position in that I'll vote for almost any Dem candidate not named Hillary, but I'm not nearly as blood thirsty as you are regarding prison time for DJT. As a matter of fact, I wouldn't object to a presidential pardon for him as it would become a distraction to the next POTUS just like it was for Gerald Ford.

RiverDog wrote:
I'm in pretty much the same position in that I'll vote for almost any Dem candidate not named Hillary, but I'm not nearly as blood thirsty as you are regarding prison time for DJT. As a matter of fact, I wouldn't object to a presidential pardon for him as it would become a distraction to the next POTUS just like it was for Gerald Ford.

The redneck racists and idiots in early primary states pushed DJT over the delegate count with 15 to 20% of the vote in winner take all states while far more capable candidates knocked each other off getting 8% 10%, 15% etc. A perfect storm with a big boost from Bad Vlad and James Comey.

And on the other side of the equation was the democratic party coronating a biddy hag because she was a woman, a Clinton, the make up call for coronating Obama 8 years earlier. The only other option was a gnome like straight up socialist who combed his hair with a rock. Anyone with revisionist history saying he would have beaten trump or any other republican candidate is delusional.

But I digress. Next to the rednecks and Trumptard zombie army participants I despise the Democratic party for not giving me a candidate I could possible vote for.I loathe Hillary.

But Ill say this. With what is now known, with whats in the public domain Id far rather be a republican conservative still with a party living in loyal opposition to a Clinton presidency then watch the hubris and dangerous game of global chicken we play with Putin's hand picked stooge flying the national equivalent of the germanwings plane into the mountain.

Did i mention i loathe Hillary? As historically underwater in the polls as DJT is for good reason the last time I checked he's still more popular than her.

But lets dont confuse popularity with ability to govern. 8 years as a politically active first lady, 2 terms as a senator and a term as secretary of state she was 1000 times more qualified than the celebrity apprentice. Vlad didn't do his all to sink her because he wanted a worthy adversary.

Oh and there's the matter of a new york real estate magnate who said of Hillary " at a minimum she will go down as a great senator" as he donated 100,000 to her campaign. 3 guesses who that was and the first 2 don't count.

As for Jail to the thief why the hell not? I'm thinking of starting a thread strictly based on the seemingly unlimited power the chief executive of America has regardless of party. Why should they be above the law? Isn't that what the veep is for? If we woke up to president pence the Stock market wold burn up on reentry it would explode so fast:D

Hawktawk wrote:As for Jail to the thief why the hell not?

First of all, Trump's crimes, if any were all non violent, white collar, and victimless. It's similar to the rationale that we should be using regarding drug abuse crimes.

Secondly, we need to break this current divisive cycle that Trump is so much a part of and to a certain degree, helped create. All throwing him in jail will do is continue this tit-for-tat politics of personal destruction environment that made the election of a person like Donald Trump possible. 50 years ago, a candidate like Trump wouldn't have garnered 5% of the electorate. I'd rather just fine him heavily and let him live out his life in peace.

And thirdly, you're talking about a former POTUS. There's not too many of those around, so I'm not worried about a double standard being applied to upper class vs. middle and lower class citizens.

Hawktawk wrote:Dude he works a 39% crowd . His strong dissaproval % is over 50. He’s got no shot unless it’s Hillary or warren imo

Be careful of the polls. They are still polling via landlines. Do you own a landline?

Hawktawk wrote:I support the election of anyone not named trump. It’s not about ideology at all for me. It’s about dignity, sanity , competency . Hopefullly he’s in prison so I can vote for a Republican.

Do you even believe yourself? If its about dignity, sanity and competency then you would support his ideaology. He's the first politician that has actually kept his campaign promises. Those promises are what the conservative platform has been espousing for years but not delivering on. Now he's delivering and you want to bail? You make yourself seem more closely aligned with the do nothing Rino's than with the conservative party.

Hawktawk wrote:... big boost from Bad Vlad and James Comey.

Great Dem talking points. Yep, you WERE conservative - yep, ahuh, got it.

idhawkman wrote:Great Dem talking points. Yep, you WERE conservative - yep, ahuh, got it.

It’s a given that comeys reopening the e mail investigation in the final
9 days was a huge boost to Trump as polls tightened significantly and never separated after that.

It’s also delusional to not recognize that Russia under the direct order of putin did everything they could to groom, compromise and eventually help elect trump. Just because Democrats and this independent former lifelong conservative agree this is the truth it doesn’t make it a falsehood. Both parties use malfeasance by the other party to their advantage. Go Mueller! Drain the swamp!!!!!!

Hawktawk wrote:It’s a given that comeys reopening the e mail investigation in the final
9 days was a huge boost to Trump as polls tightened significantly and never separated after that.

If you want to be believed, quit quoting straight out of the dems playbook.

It’s also delusional to not recognize that Russia under the direct order of putin did everything they could to groom, compromise and eventually help elect trump. Just because Democrats and this independent former lifelong conservative agree this is the truth it doesn’t make it a falsehood. Both parties use malfeasance by the other party to their advantage. Go Mueller! Drain the swamp!!!!!!

How many votes did they change? How much money did they spend against Hilliary's $1B? Give it up HT, it just isn't flying.

Hawktawk wrote:
I support the election of anyone not named trump. It’s not about ideology at all for me. It’s about dignity, sanity , competency . Hopefullly he’s in prison so I can vote for a Republican.

Just checking, is this secretly you HT? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wo3TqA3nJok

#triggered

I know the members of Trumps zombie army of which you are a card carrying charter member just cant stand that there are lifelong conservative republicans or in my case former republicans who just couldn't play along with the morally bankrupt mentally ill pathological liar. Its about the only thing I agree with democrats on and if you searched my criticisms of Obama and the dems from just a few years back instead of making me out to be some work of fiction you might realize that.

Its the Trump party now, following Trump off a cliff. Your party inherited a 7 year economic expansion and equally long bull market run and its still chugging although beginning to run out of steam, especially the stock market and housing sector. Even so the Trump party lost 40 seats in the house as Dem Candidates in the generic overall house vote totals outpaced the repubs by almost 9 million votes nationwide with over 60 million people voting for democrats in a midterm, approximately the same number of people who supported MCcain and Romney in a PRESIDENTIAL election!!!!! And that's with the Republican base turning out as well!!!!

There's your poll for you buddy and don't give me the senate as your salve on the wound either when unabashed liberals in deep red states were within a whisker of knocking off established Trump party candidates and the Dem party overall lost 2 seats despite defending 27 to 9 for the Trump party. Yeah those are the Dem talking points, I know. Facts are facts.

Enjoy it while you can. You're going down like Trump did on Putin in Helsinki.IMO odds are 50/50 your boy even makes it to 2020

Jail to the thief. GO MUELLER.

In other news Elizabeth Warren is in. Yay...

Ill say it again, assuming Trump is running in 2020 having this nag running in the general election is his only shot other than some other kook like sanders. She will forever be Pocahontas and her idiotic DNA stunt cemented it.

I'll just highlite below in your last two posts why no one believes you were ever a conservative. Especially cheering for a Warren run. No conservative - ever would cheer for that. Speaking of which, why are you cheering for a known liar who cheated the system to get ahead? Oh yeah, never mind, your highlights below say it all...

Hawktawk wrote:I know the members of Trumps zombie army of which you are a card carrying charter member just cant stand that there are lifelong conservative republicans or in my case former republicans who just couldn't play along with the morally bankrupt mentally ill pathological liar. Its about the only thing I agree with democrats on and if you searched my criticisms of Obama and the dems from just a few years back instead of making me out to be some work of fiction you might realize that.

Its the Trump party now, following Trump off a cliff. Your party inherited a 7 year economic expansion and equally long bull market run and its still chugging although beginning to run out of steam, especially the stock market and housing sector. Even so the Trump party lost 40 seats in the house as Dem Candidates in the generic overall house vote totals outpaced the repubs by almost 9 million votes nationwide with over 60 million people voting for democrats in a midterm, approximately the same number of people who supported MCcain and Romney in a PRESIDENTIAL election!!!!! And that's with the Republican base turning out as well!!!!

There's your poll for you buddy and don't give me the senate as your salve on the wound either when unabashed liberals in deep red states were within a whisker of knocking off established Trump party candidates and the Dem party overall lost 2 seats despite defending 27 to 9 for the Trump party. Yeah those are the Dem talking points, I know. Facts are facts.

Enjoy it while you can. You're going down like Trump did on Putin in Helsinki.IMO odds are 50/50 your boy even makes it to 2020

Jail to the thief. GO MUELLER.

Hawktawk wrote:In other news Elizabeth Warren is in. Yay...

Ill say it again, assuming Trump is running in 2020 having this nag running in the general election is his only shot other than some other kook like sanders. She will forever be Pocahontas and her idiotic DNA stunt cemented it.

Id reading comprehension needed. I couldn’t anymore support her than Hillary. If it’s the trump
Party or democrat party give me a dem I can vote for . She’s not it. Nor is Sanders. My greatest hope is that it’s pence. Like I keep telling you trumptards. It’s not Hillary anymore. It’s trump or pence . You know? The actual conservative Christian man? Devoted husband who cancelled his campaign appearances for a couple of days after trump bragged on tape about sexually assaulting women. You know? Pence. That guy. Easy choice for this guy but not the 39% zombie army

Hawktawk wrote:Id reading comprehension needed. I couldn’t anymore support her than Hillary. If it’s the trump
Party or democrat party give me a dem I can vote for . She’s not it. Nor is Sanders. My greatest hope is that it’s pence. Like I keep telling you trumptards. It’s not Hillary anymore. It’s trump or pence . You know? The actual conservative Christian man? Devoted husband who cancelled his campaign appearances for a couple of days after trump bragged on tape about sexually assaulting women. You know? Pence. That guy. Easy choice for this guy but not the 39% zombie army

So you are saying that Pence has compromised his principles since he's serving Trump? Maybe you should look hard at his example for what is best for this nation. He's made his decision and if you "respect" him that much, maybe you should consider that.

So here we are just a few months from the primaries . Biden has come back to the pack somewhat and the real climber is Elizabeth Warren who is tied nationally and leading in some early states. As a never trump stalwart I just want him gone fir the good of America , the office, civilization . I’ve hoped for the base to wake up and reject the man but it’s just not going to happen . Current polls show Biden crushing him, Sanders second , Warren third, all with a healthy lead. Frankly if it’s to be a dem I pull for Biden. I was hoping Harris would emerge but it’s not happening. I’ve warmed to Warren somewhat , not her policies but her energy , sense of humor . She’s no Hillary Clinton. Sanders heart attack was the final straw in his campaign imo. Trump continues to have horrible upside down underwater numbers and I was hoping Weld would get traction but state operatives are cancelling primaries to protect trump. Frankly I think removing trump from office and running Pence might be their best hope of holding the office .

Hawktawk wrote:So here we are just a few months from the primaries . Biden has come back to the pack somewhat and the real climber is Elizabeth Warren who is tied nationally and leading in some early states. As a never trump stalwart I just want him gone fir the good of America , the office, civilization . I’ve hoped for the base to wake up and reject the man but it’s just not going to happen . Current polls show Biden crushing him, Sanders second , Warren third, all with a healthy lead. Frankly if it’s to be a dem I pull for Biden. I was hoping Harris would emerge but it’s not happening. I’ve warmed to Warren somewhat , not her policies but her energy , sense of humor . She’s no Hillary Clinton. Sanders heart attack was the final straw in his campaign imo. Trump continues to have horrible upside down underwater numbers and I was hoping Weld would get traction but state operatives are cancelling primaries to protect trump. Frankly I think removing trump from office and running Pence might be their best hope of holding the office .

Biden is the only one of the announced Dem candidates that I'd vote for. I was hoping that someone like Bloomberg or Howard Schultz would have ran for the nomination, but outside of Biden, all we've been given to choose from is a bunch of liberal "progressives" that have all these very admirable goals with no way to pay for them outside of the familiar chant of "tax the rich!". They're offering free health care, free child care, free college, reparations for slavery, forgive college debt. So much free sh!t that it reminds me of Pacman Jones taking a garbage sack of 20's onto a stage in a strip club throwing it up and "making it rain". And that's before they get to the "Green New Deal".

Warren and Sanders have been pushing a wealth tax without mentioning the fact that it's very likely to be ruled unconstitutional, especially considering the current makeup of SCOTUS. They would have to amend or repeal the 16th Amendment, which only gives the government the power to collect taxes on income, not accumulated wealth.

If Biden doesn't get the nomination, I'm casting another protest vote.

Trump plays his game better than anyone. I don’t know which of these dems could stand up to it.

Although I’m generally not for candidates or worse, celebrities with no experience I think the one person that would scare the s*** out of Trump is Mrs Obama. She will never run, so he’s safe. She is tough and smart I can just imagine him trying to debate her while she gives him that look.

I-5 wrote:Trump plays his game better than anyone. I don’t know which of these dems could stand up to it.

Although I’m generally not for candidates or worse, celebrities with no experience I think the one person that would scare the s*** out of Trump is Mrs Obama. She will never run, so he’s safe. She is tough and smart I can just imagine him trying to debate her while she gives him that look.

I'm not sure. Granted polls this far out are often fools gold but Trump is just so bad, so unhinged, so much worse mentally than 4 years ago when he announced I think hes going to have some real problems with a majority of americans. His "strong" approval number is in the mid 20's. His "strong" disapproval is mid to high 40's.Over 50% have said there is no way they will support him, matter of fact his reelect number is in the mid 30% range 10 % upside down to that of his job approval %.

He's clearly scared of Biden as his elaborate impeachable offense of trying to take him down using another foreign government proves. I think its Warren or Biden and Warren is the big question mark head to head. Biden will kill him. Warren is third against him in polling behind Sanders , still with a big lead.

As I've said I dont favor most of her stated policies but we all need to remember that running in the primary and general and actually governing are quite different things.Then of course there's the congress and senate that actually make laws. And RD if you're reading any vote you or I or anyone in the USSR of WA cast for anyone but the Dem will be a protest vote . I've decided I will vote for her if she wins the nomination unless a very strong 3rd party arises.Country over party. The man needs removed, jailed in a rubber room.

And anyone Poo Pooing the Impeachment inquiry might be a little too casual. This gets uglier by the day.

Ill reiterate what i've said in my previous post. If Trump was removed from office or resigned Pence would really throw a monkey wrench into the Dems entire strategy which is we're not DT. He's a reasonable man, arch conservative, mellow, looks the part,Understands who our friends and enemies are, a whole different ball game that the wild eyed progressive the dems might produce. There's been speculation that should Trump not be around in 2020 that Nikki Haley would be the VP, a truly formidable ticket. I would likely hold my nose and support him because I think in his heart he detests Trump, may in fact be the author "anonymous" to NYT and has stuck around through Access hollywood and all the ensuing chaos thinking Trump truly needs an adult or 10 in the room.

Its fun to speculate and will be interesting to come and look at everyone's thought a little over a year from now..

Hawktawk wrote:And RD if you're reading any vote you or I or anyone in the USSR of WA cast for anyone but the Dem will be a protest vote . I've decided I will vote for her if she wins the nomination unless a very strong 3rd party arises.Country over party. The man needs removed, jailed in a rubber room.

If I lived in a purple state like MI or PA and thought someone like Pocahontas or the mad scientist Bernie Sanders needed my vote, I might be talked into voting for them just to get Trump out of office. But the fact is that WA is a deep blue state in which a Republican hasn't won a state wide election for over 20 years.

Hawktawk wrote:And anyone Poo Pooing the Impeachment inquiry might be a little too casual. This gets uglier by the day.

We'll see where this investigation of Giuliani leads, but at this point, the odds are still stacked heavily against removal from office.

RiverDog wrote:
We'll see where this investigation of Giuliani leads, but at this point, the odds are still stacked heavily against removal from office.

Honestly we dont know what the odds are because we cant read minds. What's telling is how tight lipped many R senators are being. Even McConnell who is fundraising off it on FB really sint grandstanding publicly although a few guys like Lindsay Graham are. None will answer the simple question of whether its OK to seek help from a foreign government to hurt an opponent but about 70% of the public knows the answer. How long can they keep threading the needle before they get voted out even with Trump's blessing?

Lets see how ugly it gets, how bad Trump's poll numbers get. Its going to be a rough week for this administration again with the newes out of Syria, the string of cabinet and state officials defying WH orders to testify to congress and poke holes in Trump's Ukraine story, and now this abhorrent video of Trump committing a mass shooting in the "church of fake news" that aired at mar a Lago.

Oh and 59 tweets, 30 within HALF AN HOUR yesterday. Dude is coming unraveled. We will see how many senators will walk the plank for him.