idhawkman wrote:AS this goes deeper and more is uncovered, watch for "suicides" among the 2nd tier players like Bloomenthal, Brennan, Comey, etc. It won't be Obama or Clinton but if it starts getting too close to them, it wouldn't surprise me that a scapegoat who comits suicide is very likely.
Aseahawkfan wrote:This will definitely be interesting to watch. This case isn't over. If they can't get it done before the election and Biden wins, then Flynn and other Trump cohorts will get a pardon most likely. I bet Trump is hoping they can get this case taken care of before June, so that will be one less person he has to pardon before he leaves. If he wins re-election, then he can pardon without worrying about it like Clinton did and many other presidents.
I-5 wrote:Manafort is out too due to Covid breakout concerns in prison, and will probably finish the rest of his sentence under home confinement.
Hawktawk wrote:At least the virus is in the west wing so there's always hope
I-5 wrote:I think the White House having an outbreak would be disastrous for National Security, but it would force them to take the pandemic seriously. I don't know if anyone else has this perspective, but nowhere is it politicized more than in the US.
Aseahawkfan wrote:If Trump recovered from COVID19 quickly, then he would think even less of it. If he got really sick, then he might take it more seriously like Boris Johnson. Hard to tell with Trump.
I-5 wrote:In Brazil, they call Pres. Bolsonaro’s visit to the White House as the ‘Corona Trip’ since multiple members of his team developed Covid upon their return to Brazil. For some reason, Bolsonaro, like Trump, seems to have a natural antibody against it, as both have tested negative so far. If anything, Bolsonaro is even more dismissive of the pandemic, actually joining protestors who want to open up the country.
RiverDog wrote:I don't think that Trump has anymore immunity to COVID than anyone else. The odds of getting infected are very low even if you're around an infected person. Besides, Trump's failure to wear a mask isn't putting him in anymore risk. As we all know, wearing a mask helps prevent you from infecting someone else.
At our local Tyson meat packing plant, where 1400 employees work, they had a COVID outbreak and about 150 people ended up getting infected. That's an infection rate of a little over 10%. I'm not dismissing the threat, just saying that the odds of Trump getting infected are very low.
RiverDog wrote:Hey, welcome back, my friend!
RiverDog wrote:I'm not even sure that Trump getting infected by COVID would change anything. He'd just come up with some kind of conspiracy theory, that someone, probably Nancy Pelosi or the Chinese, gave it to him intentionally.
I agree with it being politicized, and although I think that 90% of the blame goes to the far right, there are those on the left that aren't doing enough to address legitimate concerns that is exasperating the situation. For example, our governor here, a liberal Democrat, banned work on all non essential construction projects EXCEPT government or government funded projects.
Aseahawkfan wrote:If Trump recovered from COVID19 quickly, then he would think even less of it. If he got really sick, then he might take it more seriously like Boris Johnson. Hard to tell with Trump.
idhawkman wrote:The problem is that there are too many "exceptions" as you noted. It just appears to be (mainly in blue states) government picking and choosing winners and losers.
idhawkman wrote:That said, the left should be mortified by what the dem governors are doing to this nation. If an honest person were to look at this from an outside perspective, the government being involved in private business is the definition of fascism. Who can work, who can't, what business is essential which is not, what a business can and can't do or has to do in order to operate is all govt. infringement on private business. What's worse is that if the population doesn't bow to their edicts, they will fine, jail and punish (take away a business license) them into (get this, "compliance") That sounds eerily close to "re-education camps doesn't it?
idhawkman wrote:Market forces should be allowed to work in this environment. If a business is careless let the people decide whether or not to patronize that business. They will soon comply with the demand of the people insisting on safety measures, etc. If people are scared to come out of their hovels then let them stay there. No one is insisting on them engaging in the economy.
Americans thorughout our entire existence have decided what acceptable risks are and aren't. No one guaranteed all the bears, American Indians, moutain lions, weather, etc. would be totally eliminated before the frontiersmen were allowed to seek out their own pursuit of happyness as outlined in the constitution.
RiverDog wrote:Hey, welcome back, my friend!
idhawkman wrote:Thanks River. I dip in when I can but don't always have time to post like before. I pass through your town (I-82) 4 times a week now. Unfortunately, being on a schedule I haven't had a chance to look up any Shackers in my travels. I go to Aubrun twice a week now and am hoping I can stay there for a game later this year.
idhawkman wrote:He's lost personal friends to the desease. Every move he's made is driven by saving lives whereas the opposition is more interested in how they can use the crisis to gain political power or money.
idhawkman wrote:He's lost personal friends to the desease. Every move he's made is driven by saving lives whereas the opposition is more interested in how they can use the crisis to gain political power or money.
Aseahawkfan wrote:Ok, IDhawkman is the Hawktawk of Trump supporters. The only people who believe the above are the blind Trump supporters who see him not wearing a mask, focused on the economy, and claiming there is enough testing when clearly there is not a good testing and contact tracing plan in place would admit every decision he's made is not to save lives. You have to be real blind to believe that.
RiverDog wrote:Yea, that was a real zinger, Trump's every move being driven by saving lives. I guess that's why he claimed that the virus was nothing but a hoax that the Democrats made up to embarrass him.
Ever since the crisis began, Trump has been fighting with the governors, telling them he's not a supply clerk, told his VP not to deal with them, and acting like there wasn't a PPE shortage all because he's driven by saving lives. Got it!
Aseahawkfan wrote:That would mean Trump was just stupid instead of self-centered if "his every decision" was the kind of decisions he's been making to save lives. No national pandemic plan. Not admitting that our PPE shortage exists because we outsourced all PPE production to other nations. Not seeming to care about contact tracing or know what it is. Saying things like maybe we should try "drinking bleach" while he's brainstorming at the podium during a press conference.
My mother defends Trump too without any real evidence or by ignoring any evidence to the contrary. I gotta roll my eyes. If he wins again in November, I'm going to avoid talking about the guy much for four years. He's going to be insufferable and his followers the same.
Every move he's made is driven by saving lives whereas the opposition is more interested in how they can use the crisis to gain political power or money.
Every move he's made is driven by saving lives whereas the opposition is more interested in how they can use the crisis to gain political power or money.
I-5 wrote:I respect ID a lot, and think he's a good guy, but that statement is a bit strong. I don't even know where to begin with that one, but it looks like Riv and ASF already have.
One thing I do agree with Trump on is going after the WHO, and specifically the Chinese gov't. I think they need to be questioned, and a lot of countries think so, starting with Australia. Other than that, there is very little I can find in what he says that shows care for people, or even first responders for that matter. Best example of that is the way he tried to correct the doctor speaking about PPE's in the oval office. He didn't like what she said at all.
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