Trump: "Suckers and Losers"

[RiverDog]

The talk of the past couple of days has been the reports coming out of The Atlantic regarding Trump's supposed referencing of military veterans as being "suckers and losers." There hasn't been any confirmation that the President used those terms as the reports are from "unnamed sources". Nevertheless, it's been amplified in the news for the past several days. Joe Biden is acting as if it's true, and has denounced Trump as being disrespectful.

President Trump canceled a planned 2018 trip to a cemetery for American war dead in France because of the weather and not because of disdain for the slain soldiers who are buried there or concern about how the weather would affect his hair, two sources told Fox News, despite a report from The Atlantic making that claim.

Two sources who were on the trip in question with Trump refuted the main thesis of The Atlantic's reporting -- that Trump canceled a trip to the Aisne-Marne American Cemetery, which is at the site of Belleau Wood, an important World War I battle, because he believed the dead soldiers to be "losers."

According to the former official, Trump also had said of the Vietnam War: “It was a stupid war. Anyone who went was a sucker.” But sources said Trump did not use that term to refer to war dead interred at Aisne-Marne.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump- ... uxbndlbing

John Bolton, who has written a book highly critical of his former boss, and former press secretary Sarah Sanders, who were with the president on this trip, have strongly rejected the claims made by The Atlantic. But some of the details have been confirmed by other sources interviewed by pro Trump Fox News, including the decision to cancel the visit being due to Trump being in a bad mood and not wanting to go vs. the weather conditions that the White House claims to have been the reason.

There's a number of veterans and military personnel that are part of Trump's base, so if this story hangs around or is supplemented by other disparaging comments that Trump may have made about veterans, it could erode some of his support in the upcoming election.

Some good ole mudslinging like you said there'd be, right ASF?

[c_hawkbob]

It rings true because it meshes perfectly with what we all heard him say about McCain. It's how his mind works. If there's nothing in it for the individual personally he honestly can't understand why someone would do a dangerous thing. Dying for one's country doesn't compute.

[RiverDog]

It rings true because it meshes perfectly with what we all heard him say about McCain. It's how his mind works. If there's nothing in it for the individual personally he honestly can't understand why someone would do a dangerous thing. Dying for one's country doesn't compute.

Yeah, the shoe sure fits, doesn't it? I'm not going to go so far as to say that it's true or that I believe in unsubstantiated reports, but it is completely within Trump's character for him to say something like that.

My take is that this is believable because it fits perfectly with what I've always said in regard to his suffering from a spoiled rich kid syndrome. Since he's been given everything he's ever needed or wanted and never had to do an honest day's work, he lacks the concept of personal sacrifice in order to achieve a long term goal.

But I do have mixed emotions about Biden and the media going after him like they are. If this were a completely fair fight, Trump should be given the benefit of the doubt until proven wrong. If the story is false, it would be an awful, slanderous scar to bear. But on the other hand, Trump has lied so much about his personal behavior and things he's said or done that he doesn't deserve the benefit of the doubt, not to mention that if it were Biden having to defend himself against such accusations, Trump and the right wing media would be all over it like flies on a turd.

[Aseahawkfan]

Incoming, incoming! Democrat bomb! Boom, boom, boom! Erode Trump's military base.

Trump on defense.

More bombs are coming. Biden has them coming back at him. This will look small a few weeks out from the election. Worse is coming on both sides.

[I-5]

As ASF said, this is just the beginning. Trump is going to try to throw everything at Joe even if it’s a huge lie, while simultaneously pressuring the CDC and the FDA to make a major announcement on a potential vaccine (which will no doubt be premature).

Biden and Harris can’t let themselves get baited; just keep hammering Trump on his utter incompetence with 200k dead americans that didn’t have to be.

Regarding calling veterans suckers and losers, even his supporters heard him insult McCain, a gold star family, and even just today insult John Kelly. I would think Kelly is one of the sources; if so, I wish he would say so. He would have a lot of support.

[RiverDog]

Regarding calling veterans suckers and losers, even his supporters heard him insult McCain, a gold star family, and even just today insult John Kelly. I would think Kelly is one of the sources; if so, I wish he would say so. He would have a lot of support.

Heck, he's insulted him in public and won't even take back what he said in order to help cover his tracks over this latest dust up:

President Trump on Friday stood by disparaging comments me made about John McCain in 2015, also disparaged his former chief of staff and retired Marine general John Kelly, and continued to deny a Thursday report in The Atlantic that said the president called soldiers who died in war “suckers” and “losers.”

At a press conference at the White House, Trump was asked by ABC News’ Jonathan Karl if he regretted his 2015 comments about McCain when he said the late senator was a “loser,” and “not a war hero” because he was a prisoner of war, and that he liked “people that weren’t captured.”

Even though it's still just an unsubstantiated rumor, the fact that it's so typical of Trump's behavior and that he's lied so many times before about his past action (like his lying to the press about his paying off pornstars) that it's almost to the point where he has to prove that the story is not true in order to believe his assertations that it's false. It requires no stretch of the imagination that he would say something like this.

Normally I'd be outraged at a story like this coming out two months before the election. It's reminiscent of the Bush DUI story in 2000, which was true but timed to coincide with the election (Bush was an idiot for not disclosing it years earlier). But Trump has engaged in so much of this embracing of uncorroborated stories, like the one about Kamala Harris's not being Constitutionally qualified to be POTUS, that he's lowered the bar of acceptable campaign practices. He's getting a dose of his own medicine.

[Aseahawkfan]

No sympathy for Trump. He's a dishonorable man with no sense of decency. He fights dirty. He should be subject to the attacks he has encouraged and invited. Though I don't recommend going to deep into the mud with Trump as that will ruin your character.

[Hawktawk]

Even though it's still just an unsubstantiated rumor, the fact that it's so typical of Trump's behavior and that he's lied so many times before about his past action (like his lying to the press about his paying off pornstars) that it's almost to the point where he has to prove that the story is not true in order to believe his assertations that it's false. It requires no stretch of the imagination that he would say something like this.

Normally I'd be outraged at a story like this coming out two months before the election. It's reminiscent of the Bush DUI story in 2000, which was true but timed to coincide with the election (Bush was an idiot for not disclosing it years earlier). But Trump has engaged in so much of this embracing of uncorroborated stories, like the one about Kamala Harris's not being Constitutionally qualified to be POTUS, that he's lowered the bar of acceptable campaign practices. He's getting a dose of his own medicine.

Its no unsubstantiated rumor. Its been verified by every major news network including veteran Fox commentator Jennifer Griffin. As she and several other reporters have said "These are not anonymous sources to me". Clearly Kelly is one. My guess Mattis or Tillerson is another. All 3 men have publicly stated they do not believe Trump is fit for office.So have hundreds of other former military and cabinet officials from both parties.So has John Bolton, even though he admitted he had not hear the comments. His answer was" he didn't say it while I was there" It sounds like something he would say". If he said it its despicable.. "

The fact that 2 4 star generals who served in this administration for years find him unfit to be the commander in chief is surreal. The former CEO of Exxon Mobile. Career intelligence people, hundreds, thousands of former federal prosecutors find the man to be a lawless threat to the constitution, a grave threat to national security. That matters more than his despicable conduct and words towards our fallen heroes to me. Russia and China are a far greater threat than this virus and other than the spooks nobody cares, too concerned with fires, looting , virus etc.

But 40 something % of Americans DO NOT CARE WHAT HE DOES OR WHAT CAREER INTELLIGENCE PROFESSIONALS AND GENERALS SAY.

Its a cult. Its terrifying.

[RiverDog]

Its no unsubstantiated rumor. Its been verified by every major news network including veteran Fox commentator Jennifer Griffin. As she and several other reporters have said "These are not anonymous sources to me". Clearly Kelly is one. My guess Mattis or Tillerson is another. All 3 men have publicly stated they do not believe Trump is fit for office.So have hundreds of other former military and cabinet officials from both parties.So has John Bolton, even though he admitted he had not hear the comments. His answer was" he didn't say it while I was there" It sounds like something he would say". If he said it its despicable.. "

The story has not been confirmed by a named source that has gone on record as having heard him say it. The fact that every news outlet is repeating the allegations does not make them true. Indeed, Trump's lawyers have issued a cease and desist request of the Biden campaign that is apparently running attack ads using the allegations. I don't know much about campaign laws and what kind of information candidates can and can't use in ads, but it would seem like Trump's lawyers have a valid point.

As much as I don't like Trump and as much as I believe it is something he would say and assign a 90% probability that he did say it, IMO Biden is taking the low road by using it. Had it not been for the fact that Trump is the dirtiest, most unfair and lying SOB ever, I would be outraged at Biden's tactics.

[Aseahawkfan]

Its no unsubstantiated rumor. Its been verified by every major news network including veteran Fox commentator Jennifer Griffin. As she and several other reporters have said "These are not anonymous sources to me". Clearly Kelly is one. My guess Mattis or Tillerson is another. All 3 men have publicly stated they do not believe Trump is fit for office.So have hundreds of other former military and cabinet officials from both parties.So has John Bolton, even though he admitted he had not hear the comments. His answer was" he didn't say it while I was there" It sounds like something he would say". If he said it its despicable.. "

The fact that 2 4 star generals who served in this administration for years find him unfit to be the commander in chief is surreal. The former CEO of Exxon Mobile. Career intelligence people, hundreds, thousands of former federal prosecutors find the man to be a lawless threat to the constitution, a grave threat to national security. That matters more than his despicable conduct and words towards our fallen heroes to me. Russia and China are a far greater threat than this virus and other than the spooks nobody cares, too concerned with fires, looting , virus etc.

But 40 something % of Americans DO NOT CARE WHAT HE DOES OR WHAT CAREER INTELLIGENCE PROFESSIONALS AND GENERALS SAY.

Its a cult. Its terrifying.

The left is a cult too. It is equally terrifying to the Republicans and conservatives looking at things like the BLM movement that has morphed into a full on assault on the cops, the cancel culture movement which attacks anyone who disagrees with them, the push for Socialism, and so much more.

You guys get to fight it out in November, see which cult is stronger. The left and the "Never Trumpers" or the right. Should be interesting to see which lunatic group comes out on top and what happens after.

[Hawktawk]

I completely agree the far left is a cult. I hate both fringes. I just feel ideology aside its important for our nation that DJT is not the president.

[I-5]

Far anything is a cult....left or right. I've said multiple times here that I could vote for Romney if he ran again, not because I agree with him on policy, but because I trust his temperament. Hopefully if he runs again, he would choose a less polarizing running mate than Paul Ryan. I also like that it was Romneycare that was the model for the ACA. I'd also rather have a split Senate/Congress rather than having one party potentially control all 3 branches....it's scary enough watching the Senate majority kowtow to an autocrat attempting to subvert the system at any cost to stay in power. I don't want to see that again, no matter which party.

[RiverDog]

Far anything is a cult....left or right. I've said multiple times here that I could vote for Romney if he ran again, not because I agree with him on policy, but because I trust his temperament. Hopefully if he runs again, he would choose a less polarizing running mate than Paul Ryan. I also like that it was Romneycare that was the model for the ACA. I'd also rather have a split Senate/Congress rather than having one party potentially control all 3 branches....it's scary enough watching the Senate majority kowtow to an autocrat attempting to subvert the system at any cost to stay in power. I don't want to see that again, no matter which party.

FYI Paul Ryan has come out against Trump nearly as strong as Romney has. Sure, he's a conservative, but no more conservative than Kamala Harris is liberal. IMO a Romney/Ryan ticket would do well against Biden/Harris in a hypothetical 2024 matchup. But I don't think it happens. Mitt Romney has shown no interest in running for POTUS again.

And I agree with you about a split Congress, or at least a split government where one party controls Congress and the other controls the Executive Branch.