Biden Corruption

[Aseahawkfan]

I couldn't possibly disagree with you more. You might fashion yourself an independent, but your obvious disdain for anyone left of center makes you look pretty far to the right of Riv, who seems to be more of a moderate based on multiple posts. I'm not saying you're far right because I don't know you, but the more you talk about dems, that's how you sound. I may not like most of the republican party right now, but I have plenty of republican friends who I respect, even the ones who might vote for Trump. I don't villify them for their perspective. And If the dems win in Nov 3, it's moderates and the 'suburban moms' that are going to take them there....not the far left. Not even close.

I am not an independent. Not sure why you think that. I am a believer in our Constitution and the Founding Principles of this nation. Anyone who is against those or thinks they are unclear in meaning or intent, I do not agree with. Why do you think I don't care for Republicans much either. They pay lip service to the Constitution while not supporting its intent or meaning arguing as is the usual argument that we have to consider something else blah, blah, blah.

I don't like people telling me what to do. I don't like them taking my money and spending it on things I don't agree with. I don't like being beholden to unions or corporations. I don't like social engineering attempts and a general lack of freedom. I don't care for cancel culture. I don't like all these liars selling America out to foreign nations. I don't like being the world police o sending our military to back up dictators and scum. I in general don't care for the current state of politics in America.

Suffice it to say if I ran America, it would be a very different nation where working people would feel very empowered. Racists and socialists would be equally driven from this nation. Anyone interested in taking another person's liberty for some foolish reason like race or collectivism would be driven from this land. What I want to see is a vigorous, united, diverse group of freedom loving people owning their labor and living free with strong property rights and limited taxation.

Neither the Republicans or Democrats are offering this at the moment. I don't feel even the Libertarians are doing a very good job of this either.

So not, I'm not an independent. I have a very clear idea of what I want for America. I don't see many people that share this vision any longer.

[Aseahawkfan]

My personal viewpoint regarding this POTUS is shared by a majority of americans. And FYI the Lincoln Project is not leftists. The Dem ticket is not wild eyed leftists. Trump hate and fear has actually pushed the leadership of the Dem Party to the center as observed by their lightning quick coalescence around Biden when it was clear they were looking at Bernie sanders vs Trump. The party has pulled together. AOC got one minute at the convention and when asked about Biden's comments saying hes "not a green new deal fan" she demurred and said they would be working to address climate change and pointing out trump doesn't even believe in it.. Biden bypassed on Warren, Abrams etc for a candidate with experience in law enforcement.
You have your own bogeymen asea.No rational person supports riots in the streets but I dont remember year long riots under Obama or GW or Clinton or..Maybe since we have our first fascist president its a factor? If someone wants statues removed that offend millions of americans Im over that.

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I'm more afraid of proud boys standing outside polling places, sending threatening Emails to Florida voters saying vote trump or else. I'm way more afraid of China staging hypersonic missiles near taiwan,telling their people to prepare for war, Russian planes menacing our airspace, Kim Jong Un parading a humongous ICBM capable of multiple warheads. My personal viewpoint regarding this potus is shared by thousands of REPUBLICAN intelligence, law enforcement, former 4 star generals and cabinet officers.Presidential campaign managers from numerous Republican presidential administrations. Former republican party chair Michael Steele endorsed Biden yesterday. Are they rational? Or are they not?

frankly the problem in cyberspace is everyone talks a lot of crap but never eats crow when its clear they should. I've eaten plenty which makes me rare. I've eaten crow on Obama. I thought he disrespected the office by golfing too much, too much regulation, too many taxes. I was appalled he appeared without a tie to announce the killing of daniel pearl and was photographed 20 minutes later on the first tee with friends laughing and smiling. I thought he was soft on russia Hindsight is 2020.


I went from a guy who never voted for a democrat, never had a problem supporting any republican to chills down my spine when the orange baboon descended the escalator.I opposed his nomination strenuously. I sounded the alarm that he is not mentally fit to be in the office days into his administration. Now that all the generals not currently in his employ agree maybe I should get some credit for being right and being a man of conviction instead of blindly following someone because there's an R or a D next to their name.As a bipolar man Im emotional, but also very intelligent and a great judge of character. I nailed Trumps character and his danger to the planet day one and was called a loon. Crow is available

As for "understanding politics" maybe you're right. Well actually you are. I dont understand how a single american voter can accept trump at this point regardless of what he's promised them. I dont know how guys Like Lindsey Graham look in the mirror. Mitch McConnell who is slamming though your new favorite jurist but telling Trump not to cut a stimulus deal before the election.I didn't feel any different about the sleazeballs who negotiated Bill Clinton through his absolutely disqualifying behavior either so I'm no hypocrite now.You may well be right about the 2 or 4 year cycle of politics but I dont recall the amount of disarray at the very top of party leadership and frankly Id have put up with 4 years of Sanders to wipe this blot off the history of my lifelong party. I hope Biden is reelected in 4 years in a landslide which will mean something good has happened in america. Its going to be a mess for whoever wins with 6 trillion in spending and 3 trillion in debt not counting all the trillions the FED is dumping into the market. We cant afford too many more failed administrations like this current utter fail. Frankly IMO we will not be a solvent functional country in 4 years or less if trump wins. Might not if Buiden wins either. You're the numbers guy. Its a mess.

No. it is not. I know very few people who espouse Trump hatred to the level you do. You can tell yourself whatever you want until you are blue in the face which you probably do. I don't care. Irrational actors to your extreme are rare, insane, and terrible for this nation's political structure. I am only glad that your irrational internal nature doesn't explode in violence towards others.

Even when you were a Republican supporter, I thought you were way out there. I didn't agree with you then. I usually glossed over what you said. But there were more people participating in conversation at that time. For the reasons you stated, I don't think you can do things in a rational fashion. No matter what you support or are against, you will go balls to the wall, over the top on it. It's just who you are.

[Aseahawkfan]

So you dont trust generals like Mattis who slept in his uniform he was so terrified of Trump's erratic foreign policy? John Kelley who calls him "the most flawed human being I've ever met". All the people in his administration that have seen the sweating spitting babbling magenta lunatic we see in debates all day every day?

No. I do not trust generals like Mattis or Patton or Eisenhower (though Ike maybe a little more than others due to his stance on the military-industrial complex). I appreciate the sacrifice of regular men who serve in the military out of a sense of duty. I believe it is our duty as Americans to keep them out of war as often as possible. Men like Mattis, Patton, and the like pretend they do not love war, but they actually do. There are men who have served as career military who support war intervention as a strong option with them leading it using men and women as pawns in a game of world domination. I do not agree with this at all.

I have made this clear more than a few times: modern warfare is evil, inhumane, and should be avoided as often as possible. War in general is not great, but at least when men were lining up with swords they could target the enemy they intended. You do not accidentally kill women and children with a sword. The creation of mechanized warfare and modern weapons of war has created a means for men to kill each other on a scale as yet unseen in history in an imprecise and inhumane way that makes mass murder by accident, what we term collateral damage, simply a byproduct of any war. We can carpet bomb another nation killing many innocents, while selling our people on the moral righteousness of our position. This is a complete lie that we sell our people because the truth is one that regular folk can't understand or accept very well about competition between power groups of competing nations.

For me the world is split into the emotional where I am firmly anti-war and anti-diviseness and logical where I understand we must compete in a highly competitive world with competing power groups using escalating war technology we must stay ahead of or be defeated with the subsequent consequences of that defeat. It is why it is so hard to deal with people who can't engage in this separation of emotion from logic.

[RiverDog]

No. I do not trust generals like Mattis or Patton or Eisenhower (though Ike maybe a little more than others due to his stance on the military-industrial complex). I appreciate the sacrifice of regular men who serve in the military out of a sense of duty. I believe it is our duty as Americans to keep them out of war as often as possible. Men like Mattis, Patton, and the like pretend they do not love war, but they actually do. There are men who have served as career military who support war intervention as a strong option with them leading it using men and women as pawns in a game of world domination. I do not agree with this at all.

It depends on the general. Based on what I've read of history (and by comments made by my dad, my uncles, and other members of "the greatest generation"), I wouldn't have trusted Patton, LeMay, or McArthur, either, but I would have trusted Marshall, Eisenhower, and Bradley. I'll confess that I don't have a great deal of insight into modern military minds, but I do get the feeling that today's military leaders, like Powell, Mattis, Kelley, and others, are a lot more thoughtful and open minded than were the WW2 generals and I trust them more than I would politicians like Trump.

[I-5]

today's military leaders, like Powell, Mattis, Kelley, and others, are a lot more thoughtful and open minded than were the WW2 generals and I trust them more than I would politicians like Trump.

I agree with this. Although I think Powell has regrets about making the case for invading Iraq based on what we knew. What we don't know is how much directive was coming from Bush, Cheney, and Rumsfeld. I'd put McMaster on the sane list, too. I also wouldn't have trusted Patton, and to a lesser extent MacArthur (who seemed to be the most ego driven of all).

[RiverDog]

I agree with this. Although I think Powell has regrets about making the case for invading Iraq based on what we knew. What we don't know is how much directive was coming from Bush, Cheney, and Rumsfeld. I'd put McMaster on the sane list, too. I also wouldn't have trusted Patton, and to a lesser extent MacArthur (who seemed to be the most ego driven of all).

Colin Powell was against the first gulf war, recommending sanctions instead, and at the time, he was Chairman of the Joint Chiefs.

The biggest difference today's leadership has over the WW2 generals is that they have the experience of the Vietnam War to draw from. Up until then, the United States had never lost a war.

[Aseahawkfan]

Colin Powell was against the first gulf war, recommending sanctions instead, and at the time, he was Chairman of the Joint Chiefs.

The biggest difference today's leadership has over the WW2 generals is that they have the experience of the Vietnam War to draw from. Up until then, the United States had never lost a war.

We didn't lose Vietnam either save on the political side. It seems to be an ignored fact that we thoroughly beat the Vietnamese in every major battle including the Tet Offensive, but lost the political war at home to continue the fight.

I am not particularly for a standing military save that it is a modern necessity driven by competing power groups from other nations. Standing militaries and the creation of a military class has always been dangerous to free societies, which is why the 2nd Amendment was intended to create militias for defense to lessen the possibility of a military class taking over the nation. It's something no one talks about in the public forum, but is historically well documented.

[c_hawkbob]

Yes we lost the Vietnam war, regardless of what revisionists say. We had to negotiate our withdrawal to protect the South Vietnamese and we withdrew. After which of course the North invaded the South anyway and we were powerless to do anything to hold them to the terms of our effective surrender (they let us call it the Paris Peace Accord but it was unquestionably a negotiated conditional surrender). And it was militarily necessitated too even though the revisionist will call it political; the Tet offensive essentially kicked our asses and crushed any possibility of an imminent end to the war and we threw in the towel.

[Aseahawkfan]

Yes we lost the Vietnam war, regardless of what revisionists say. We had to negotiate our withdrawal to protect the South Vietnamese and we withdrew. After which of course the North invaded the South anyway and we were powerless to do anything to hold them to the terms of our effective surrender (they let us call it the Paris Peace Accord but it was unquestionably a negotiated conditional surrender). And it was militarily necessitated too even though the revisionist will call it political; the Tet offensive essentially kicked our asses and crushed any possibility of an imminent end to the war and we threw in the towel.

We should have never been there to begin with and should have been working with Ho Chi Minh to deprive the Chinese of Vietnam, but our alliance with France caused us to make a costly foreign policy error.

Threw in the towel as in lost the political will to fight. Political will is a powerful currency that is used during war.

North Vietnam lost the Tet Offensive battle. This is not revisionist. This is documented. America beat them in nearly every battle, but could not maintain the political will to fight. Which is why Vietnam has been a strong lesson to America that political will is limited in nature and will run out. Which is why during the Afghanistan and Iraq War the political will of 9/11 was being spent from that event on those two wars. It ran out eventually and would have run out faster had we initiated a draft.

My only point is that the American military did not lose the battles on the ground meaning the military need not consider Vietnam a loss due to their capabilities. A war fought for bad reasons sets up any military for a loss and Vietnam was fought for bad reasons, which is why we lost the political will to continue. Our moral reasons for fighting in Vietnam were bad and you can't maintain a war based on moral grounds when you are in the wrong to start with.

[Hawktawk]

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I know very few people who espouse Trump hatred to the level you do. You can tell yourself whatever you want until you are blue in the face which you probably do. I don't care. Irrational actors to your extreme are rare, insane, and terrible for this nation's political structure. I am only glad that your irrational internal nature doesn't explode in violence towards others.

lol you're gonna support Trump who used racist dog whistles for white supremacists and I'm terrible for this nations political structure? You're the one blue in the face. Totally shrill and triggered, almost unrecognizable from a few months ago. I think you're the shy trump supporter you keep warning us is out there.

Your what's wrong with our "political structure". Your a transactional capitalist who would support satan if it got you what you wanted.Those on the left are no different, There's no emphasis on fitness, character. It doesn't matter, doesn't even register and that's a sick political system. A guy like me, white 60, no college education lifelong republican conservative, supposedly right in trumps yee haw wheelhouse saying no Fing way based on character and competence is what's absolutely right with america right now. I despised Obama,I've eaten my crow but this guy? on top of it all with his clusterf8ck coronavirus response he catches it, gets meds nobody else gets and recovers. Surely it would humble him right? Oh hell no hes taking a victory lap and mocking the virus, telling us not to fear it as it killed my wifes perfectly healthy 71 year old uncle a couple weeks ago. Yeah I do the Trump hate the best.I know it bothers the trumpanzees.But asea those who dont absolutely detest this man are the screwed up ones.

As a bipolar man I am very expressive, especially HERE which I've said ad nauseum is WHERE I VENT. But you want to be thankful my irrational internal nature doesn't explode in violence as you support a fascist who encourages violence, whose pathological narcissism and remorseless dishonesty are in full display as he holds the nuclear football.

Your a jackass for saying that. Ive been married 28 years, Raised 4 kids, 2 I didn't make. I've never taken welfare , always worked. I've spent 34 years in golf course management and rose from a scared 20 something kid with no education that knew nothing to become one of the better supes in the northwest according to others, not me.Ive been on 5 courses and 4 guys I hired over the years are supes in their own right, 2 are GMs.With covid i ran an 18 hole golf course for 2 months by myself and our revenues are double last year. I write, play and sing music.I have 3 scratch tracks in nashville at a song service hoping to sell one. I've done radio broadcast, sang and preached at weddings and funerals. I have hundreds of friends.

You have no idea who i am, how I act. You don't have to like my style but you really stepped in it with saying stuff like this. If we were sitting in a bar talking Hawks you would never know who I was, even politics. Maybe that why you're so shrill right now asea, its just different on the internet. This is for sure though. I've never hurt anyone other than in football and a couple bar fight in the 70s and really dont appreciate your comments.

[RiverDog]

Yes we lost the Vietnam war, regardless of what revisionists say. We had to negotiate our withdrawal to protect the South Vietnamese and we withdrew. After which of course the North invaded the South anyway and we were powerless to do anything to hold them to the terms of our effective surrender (they let us call it the Paris Peace Accord but it was unquestionably a negotiated conditional surrender). And it was militarily necessitated too even though the revisionist will call it political; the Tet offensive essentially kicked our asses and crushed any possibility of an imminent end to the war and we threw in the towel.

That is essentially the truth, with a couple of minor adjustments.

The Tet offensive was a military failure on the part of the NVA. They did not gain any ground or inflict any lasting damage on American and South Vietnamese assets. It succeeded in the sense that it awoke the American public to the fact that we didn't control the situation on the ground, that we were reacting to events rather than prosecuting the war on our own terms as our leaders had been telling us. It damaged forever the credibility of the claim that the end of the war was in sight.

[Aseahawkfan]

I know very few people who espouse Trump hatred to the level you do. You can tell yourself whatever you want until you are blue in the face which you probably do. I don't care. Irrational actors to your extreme are rare, insane, and terrible for this nation's political structure. I am only glad that your irrational internal nature doesn't explode in violence towards others.

lol you're gonna support Trump who used racist dog whistles for white supremacists and I'm terrible for this nations political structure? You're the one blue in the face. Totally shrill and triggered, almost unrecognizable from a few months ago. I think you're the shy trump supporter you keep warning us is out there.

Your what's wrong with our "political structure". Your a transactional capitalist who would support satan if it got you what you wanted.Those on the left are no different, There's no emphasis on fitness, character. It doesn't matter, doesn't even register and that's a sick political system. A guy like me, white 60, no college education lifelong republican conservative, supposedly right in trumps yee haw wheelhouse saying no Fing way based on character and competence is what's absolutely right with america right now. I despised Obama,I've eaten my crow but this guy? on top of it all with his clusterf8ck coronavirus response he catches it, gets meds nobody else gets and recovers. Surely it would humble him right? Oh hell no hes taking a victory lap and mocking the virus, telling us not to fear it as it killed my wifes perfectly healthy 71 year old uncle a couple weeks ago. Yeah I do the Trump hate the best.I know it bothers the trumpanzees.But asea those who dont absolutely detest this man are the screwed up ones.

As a bipolar man I am very expressive, especially HERE which I've said ad nauseum is WHERE I VENT. But you want to be thankful my irrational internal nature doesn't explode in violence as you support a fascist who encourages violence, whose pathological narcissism and remorseless dishonesty are in full display as he holds the nuclear football.

Your a jackass for saying that. Ive been married 28 years, Raised 4 kids, 2 I didn't make. I've never taken welfare , always worked. I've spent 34 years in golf course management and rose from a scared 20 something kid with no education that knew nothing to become one of the better supes in the northwest according to others, not me.Ive been on 5 courses and 4 guys I hired over the years are supes in their own right, 2 are GMs.With covid i ran an 18 hole golf course for 2 months by myself and our revenues are double last year. I write, play and sing music.I have 3 scratch tracks in nashville at a song service hoping to sell one. I've done radio broadcast, sang and preached at weddings and funerals. I have hundreds of friends.

You have no idea who i am, how I act. You don't have to like my style but you really stepped in it with saying stuff like this. If we were sitting in a bar talking Hawks you would never know who I was, even politics. Maybe that why you're so shrill right now asea, its just different on the internet. This is for sure though. I've never hurt anyone other than in football and a couple bar fight in the 70s and really dont appreciate your comments.

Another nice post by you hitting every point made by a variety of news stories that trigger your Trump hate. Once Trump is gone, we'll see what cause you take up next to rail on.

[Hawktawk]

Another nice post by you hitting every point made by a variety of news stories that trigger your Trump hate. Once Trump is gone, we'll see what cause you take up next to rail on.

Go vote for him. I know you will if you didn't already. You dont ever say your wrong, just like your leader. You will never eat crow. Even when you get owned. You will lose in the end cause they dont add up the score till you die. You sure seem shrill about dumb as dirt losing.

[I-5]

I agree, when ASF gets something wrong about characterizing commenters here, I've yet to see him acknowledge it even once. It's not even hard to do, just a matter of civility, but he just doesn't seem capable of it. The good news is, ASF is the exception to the rule, as I find almost everyone else has enough self-awareness to recognize when they've misspoke or mischaracterized, and apologizes. I've done it multiples, and witnessed it as well.

I wouldn't be surprised if this trait transfers to 'real life' as well.

[RiverDog]

I agree, when ASF gets something wrong about characterizing commenters here, I've yet to see him acknowledge it even once. It's not even hard to do, just a matter of civility, but he just doesn't seem capable of it. The good news is, ASF is the exception to the rule, as I find almost everyone else has enough self-awareness to recognize when they've misspoke or mischaracterized, and apologizes. I've done it multiples, and witnessed it as well.

I wouldn't be surprised if this trait transfers to 'real life' as well.

Not that ASF needs me to speak up for him, but prior to about 2-3 years ago, he would argue with me whenever I claimed that Trump was a racist....until one day when Trump tweeted out to "The Squad" to "go back to where you came from." So although it might not have related to a poster in here, he has acknowledged at least one mischaracterization.

[Aseahawkfan]

I agree, when ASF gets something wrong about characterizing commenters here, I've yet to see him acknowledge it even once. It's not even hard to do, just a matter of civility, but he just doesn't seem capable of it. The good news is, ASF is the exception to the rule, as I find almost everyone else has enough self-awareness to recognize when they've misspoke or mischaracterized, and apologizes. I've done it multiples, and witnessed it as well.

I wouldn't be surprised if this trait transfers to 'real life' as well.

I stopped reading Hawktawk's posts extensively a while back. I don't know you particularly well I5 to be honest. Best I can say at the moment is you are a strongly Democrat, progressive leftist with a mild disposition who buys almost everything the left is selling, much like c-bob. He and I don't much get along either on political matters.

Hawktawk has been posting for years on the same board I have back when the PI existed. Maybe you didn't post back then at least I don't recall you posting much. He was absolutely off the rails back then and is off the rails now. I don't think he knows how to be on the rails. Back in those days c-bob didn't even listen to him. He only listens to him now because he and c-bob are on the same side. I didn't much listen to Hawktawk way back when. The man used to go insane posting strange attacks on various things he doesn't agree with. Imagine his current diatribes except focused on supporting the right. That was him. Just going off like the world is ending and America is doomed by the left.

Sorry, I can't take that kind whackiness seriously. America has been around 240 plus years through far worse times than this including worse pandemics, multiple wars, worse economic times, mild famines, and far worse. Now I gotta listen to a guy claim America is ending because some former reality TV star is president? I'm not buying that trash thinking anymore than I'm buying my friends telling me Biden hates America and will lead to the left taking it over. The left may heavily influenced Washington State politics, but not the entire nation. I tend to tune out Hawktawk right there.

Just like I tend to stop listening when I hear system racism for just racism, intersectionality, the wealth gap, climate change Armageddon, all cops are racist, any talk of any race being a particular way negative or positive, any kind of political Argmaeddon, theories about birth certificates of presidents and presidents as Russian spies, 9/11 conspiracy theories, America turning into a tyrannical state, and the like. Mostly things with little supportable evidence that have either been proven wrong or will be proven wrong in time.

You will find I am not interested in commentary. I am interested in what proof do you have to support what you believe and say. If you lack that proof, then I intend to show you lack it and rip your theory apart. Most people don't care for that so they either ignore it and hold onto their "proofs" like it's a comforting little teddy bear or they engage back providing counter-proof. That's how I operate.

We aren't friends on here, at least I am not. I'm here for a political debate meaning point and counterpoint backed up by as much documented proof and logic as you can provide to support your viewpoint.

[Aseahawkfan]

Not that ASF needs me to speak up for him, but prior to about 2-3 years ago, he would argue with me whenever I claimed that Trump was a racist....until one day when Trump tweeted out to "The Squad" to "go back to where you came from." So although it might not have related to a poster in here, he has acknowledged at least one mischaracterization.

The evidence became obvious that Trump was being racist or at least engaging in racist politics. Still don't think he is a white supremacist KKK racist, but seemingly one of those crazy white uncle racists who buys lots of stupid ideas about minorities. I always knew that older New Yorkers tend to have strange ideas of race and staying in your neighborhood. I've read enough of the history of East Coast racism and seen more than a few movies discussing it. You have to be careful buying into media driven ideas of racism. We have a boy cried wolf scenario with the media whereas the left wing media has called nearly every prominent Republican racist for as long as I can remember just as the right wing media has sold every Democrat as socialist for as long as I can remember. I'm always wary buying into media or politically driven narratives given how these two sides will go to such extreme lengths to sell the other side as villains. You have to be aware of and wary of their propaganda tactics.

[RiverDog]

The evidence became obvious that Trump was being racist or at least engaging in racist politics. Still don't think he is a white supremacist KKK racist, but seemingly one of those crazy white uncle racists who buys lots of stupid ideas about minorities. I always knew that older New Yorkers tend to have strange ideas of race and staying in your neighborhood. I've read enough of the history of East Coast racism and seen more than a few movies discussing it. You have to be careful buying into media driven ideas of racism. We have a boy cried wolf scenario with the media whereas the left wing media has called nearly every prominent Republican racist for as long as I can remember just as the right wing media has sold every Democrat as socialist for as long as I can remember. I'm always wary buying into media or politically driven narratives given how these two sides will go to such extreme lengths to sell the other side as villains. You have to be aware of and wary of their propaganda tactics.

I didn't used to think that Trump was a white supremist KKK racist, but these past few months where he's steadfastly refused to denounce them even though it would yield him more votes to do so has caused me to wonder. If he's not of that mindset, he's not very far off. Like someone once said, it's so easy to denounce white supremacy. It's like being asked to denounce the Devil.

[I-5]

You will find I am not interested in commentary. I am interested in what proof do you have to support what you believe and say. If you lack that proof, then I intend to show you lack it and rip your theory apart. Most people don't care for that so they either ignore it and hold onto their "proofs" like it's a comforting little teddy bear or they engage back providing counter-proof. That's how I operate.

We aren't friends on here, at least I am not. I'm here for a political debate meaning point and counterpoint backed up by as much documented proof and logic as you can provide to support your viewpoint.
Aseahawkfan

We had a discussion about Trump being leveraged by Putin, and you asked me to provide evidence how Putin has some type of leverage on Trump and how it benefits Russia. I put together a multiple point post showing the type of actions Trump has taken that is favorable to Russia. You attempted to change the subject by arguing that being a part of NATO is not a good thing for the US (wrong on every count), but didn't comment on the evidence that shows Russian influence (like Trump lobbying the G7 to add Russia multiple times. You ignored it, but I'm not surprised.

By the way, I don't buy your poor excuse for masking ad hominem attacks.

[Hawktawk]

I stopped reading Hawktawk's posts extensively a while back. I don't know you particularly well I5 to be honest. Best I can say at the moment is you are a strongly Democrat, progressive leftist with a mild disposition who buys almost everything the left is selling, much like c-bob. He and I don't much get along either on political matters.

Hawktawk has been posting for years on the same board I have back when the PI existed. Maybe you didn't post back then at least I don't recall you posting much. He was absolutely off the rails back then and is off the rails now. I don't think he knows how to be on the rails. Back in those days c-bob didn't even listen to him. He only listens to him now because he and c-bob are on the same side. I didn't much listen to Hawktawk way back when. The man used to go insane posting strange attacks on various things he doesn't agree with. Imagine his current diatribes except focused on supporting the right. That was him. Just going off like the world is ending and America is doomed by the left.

Sorry, I can't take that kind whackiness seriously. America has been around 240 plus years through far worse times than this including worse pandemics, multiple wars, worse economic times, mild famines, and far worse. Now I gotta listen to a guy claim America is ending because some former reality TV star is president? I'm not buying that trash thinking anymore than I'm buying my friends telling me Biden hates America and will lead to the left taking it over. The left may heavily influenced Washington State politics, but not the entire nation. I tend to tune out Hawktawk right there.

Just like I tend to stop listening when I hear system racism for just racism, intersectionality, the wealth gap, climate change Armageddon, all cops are racist, any talk of any race being a particular way negative or positive, any kind of political Argmaeddon, theories about birth certificates of presidents and presidents as Russian spies, 9/11 conspiracy theories, America turning into a tyrannical state, and the like. Mostly things with little supportable evidence that have either been proven wrong or will be proven wrong in time.

You will find I am not interested in commentary. I am interested in what proof do you have to support what you believe and say. If you lack that proof, then I intend to show you lack it and rip your theory apart. Most people don't care for that so they either ignore it and hold onto their "proofs" like it's a comforting little teddy bear or they engage back providing counter-proof. That's how I operate.

We aren't friends on here, at least I am not. I'm here for a political debate meaning point and counterpoint backed up by as much documented proof and logic as you can provide to support your viewpoint.

Funny how you stopped reading my posts a while back but you respond and rip me for hating a very hateable person then you do like 4 paragraph insulting me in the 3rd person after i flamed you a coupe of times on your shrill unhinged posts. I really don't get it dude. I have complimented you on your prose, I think you're very intelligent and I've learned things reading your analysis of the market, economy etc. But suddenly the style i've had for 20 years on the forum is a rationale for ad hominem and third person attacks on my position?
Im just confused . I dont recognize you right now.

[Hawktawk]

So the best i can gather is the investigation into Hunter Biden's finances was begun in 2018 under the direction of the interim AG between Sessions and Barr. The federal prosecutor based in delaware currently handling the case was a Barr appointee. I've also heard reports Biden's brother is being looked at over some hospital chain he was involved with that had some real problems.It was withheld from the public as to not affect the presidency although elements of the case leaked in October as the "surprise", the laptop, the russian and ukrainian connections, salacious sexual allegations. It never caught traction, I saw it as small potatoes compared to Trump corruption. He is of course furious, blasting Barr along with his allies. Barr reportedly dismissed his rant as "the mutterings of a deposed King"

So here we are. Its reported that its beyond just Hunters taxes but involved dealings with a chinese businessman, possible money laundering and influence peddling. The right is pressing for an independent prosecutor. Its looking like groundhog day.

Ill be interested how Biden handles this.His initial statement issued by the transition team was very supportive of Hunter and alluded to politically motivated harassment.

If its clear his son has broken laws and he buttresses him up with the powers of the presidency he's just another scumbag. If he's involved say hello president Harris.

[NorthHawk]

One would think and hope that the Democratic party would have vetted Biden to the extent that he would be almost squeaky clean.
I can't imagine how they could think that they could get away with something that is very serious - if in fact it is. However, I guess
we can never underestimate the intentions of those who lust for power, so let's see how it pans out.
One thing I fully expect is every little accusation will be blown up to the point that it's presented as fact and the lie machine of the
Republicans will feast on it. We've seen the depths they will go to try to retain power, what will they do or say to get it back?

[Hawktawk]

One would think and hope that the Democratic party would have vetted Biden to the extent that he would be almost squeaky clean.
I can't imagine how they could think that they could get away with something that is very serious - if in fact it is. However, I guess
we can never underestimate the intentions of those who lust for power, so let's see how it pans out.
One thing I fully expect is every little accusation will be blown up to the point that it's presented as fact and the lie machine of the
Republicans will feast on it. We've seen the depths they will go to try to retain power, what will they do or say to get it back?

I read an article discussing a meeting of top house republicans during the 2016 election . They had met with a Ukrainian intelligence officer who warned Putin might be financing Trump as Russia’s effort to destabilize western governments with populist candidates . Prominent trump defender and congressional leader Kevin McCarthy said at the time “ I believe Trump takes money from Russia “ Paul Ryan who I always saw as an honest dude swore the group to secrecy . They stood behind Trump as the rumors regarding Russia became and still remain a reality . So it’s a long way of saying the Democrats vetted Biden this way. Can he win ? Yes. Consider him
Vetted .